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Make Them Legal [warning: projectilogenic]
New York Sun ^ | 12/19/02 | New York Sun editorial board

Posted on 12/19/2002 11:49:09 AM PST by firebrand

EDITORIALS & OPINION
Make Them Legal

Thousands of Mexicans watched and cheered at St. Patrick’s Cathedral last week as runners arrived with a torch bearing a flame that had come unextinguished from Mexico City, as part of the feast of the Virgin of Guadalupe. The flame, as Tamar Jacoby reported in our columns, was brought to New York City as “a seamless blend of devotion and protest designed to draw the White House’s attention to the plight of illegal immigrants.” Hard as it may be to imagine, here’s a constituency that actually is aching for the chance to pay more taxes. Right now, the city provides services to hundreds of thousands of illegal immigrants — teaching them in schools, treating them in hospital emergency rooms, putting out fires in their apartments. But the illegal immigrants don’t repay the city — or the state or federal government, for that matter — for the services. It’s not that they don’t want to. It’s just that the government won’t issue a Social Security number to someone who snuck into the country without permission. And it’s hard to pay either payroll taxes or income taxes without a Social Security number.

President Bush has been talking with President Fox of Mexico about ways to normalize the status of the millions of illegal immigrants living within American borders. Those efforts stalled following the September 11 terrorist attacks, which gave an unwarranted boost to those who want to pull up the drawbridge to America.

None of the September 11 hijackers was Mexican. It seems ridiculous to punish them. The best argument against normalizing illegal immigrants in America is that it rewards the lawbreakers and punishes those who have obeyed our immigration rules and who have been waiting patiently outside our borders for entry visas. But if the status of those already here were adjusted hand-in-hand with reforms dramatically raising the quotas of those allowed into America legally from abroad, then the injustice would be less. It might even be worth it to require those in America illegally to exit and then reenter under the newly relaxed entry rules, under which they’d be treated the same as those who have been obeying the laws and waiting outside.

The other argument made against increased levels of legal immigration is that it costs the taxpayers more in welfare to support such immigrants than the immigrants pay in taxes. If such claims were correct, they’d be an argument for welfare reform, not for less immigration.

New York is a city of immigrants, and New York’s mayor has often been a national leader in the debate on immigration issues. Mayor Bloomberg and the rest of the city’s politicians are ready to deal with the city’s budget problems by raising taxes on the existing taxpayers. With a little leaning on Washington, the city could tap the hundreds of thousands of workers eager to help share the burden. Instead of raising tax rates, the city could broaden the base. We realize this doesn’t count as a budget “cut” in the traditional sense, but it’s a waste for the city, and the nation, to refuse income from perfectly eager potential taxpayers.

Advocates for immigrant rights estimate the number of illegal immigrants in New York City to be about 500,000. A more precise count was made in a March 2002 study from the Urban Institute, which found that there were about 275,000 illegal immigrants between the ages of 18 and 64 living in New York City. The study further found that 80% of these immigrants were participating in the labor force.

Figure an average of $20,000 a year in income for these immigrants — the Urban Institute study finds that most immigrants have an income in this range. At that level, New York would collect $110 million in city income tax revenue by registering labor force-active immigrants, legitimizing their status as members of American society, and making them legal wage-earners and taxpayers.


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; US: New York
KEYWORDS: illegal; immigrantlist; immigration; invasion; prostitution
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1 posted on 12/19/2002 11:49:09 AM PST by firebrand
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To: Paulie; Love America or move to ......; RaceBannon; evilC; Dutchy; Joe Hadenuf
This is worth buying some fish just to make them wrap it in the New York Sun.
2 posted on 12/19/2002 11:53:44 AM PST by firebrand
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To: Cacique; Oschisms; NYC GOP Chick; hellinahandcart
Anyone have a pet bird?
3 posted on 12/19/2002 11:55:23 AM PST by firebrand
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To: Cacique; Oschisms; NYC GOP Chick; hellinahandcart
Anyone have a pet bird?
4 posted on 12/19/2002 11:55:43 AM PST by firebrand
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To: firebrand
here’s a constituency that actually is aching for the chance to pay more taxes.

They're supposed to be paying and filing a statement with the IRS already, nothing is stopping them from paying their taxes now but most don't pay them. Most of the $13 billion earned here and sent to Mexico is untaxed income. They could also pay their tuition and hospital bills and choose not to ----the reason that some would like to file an income tax statement is the Earned Income Tax which is really a welfare program that gives people money they did not make.

5 posted on 12/19/2002 11:55:55 AM PST by FITZ
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To: Black Agnes; madfly
Whoops. Sorry for the double reply.
6 posted on 12/19/2002 11:57:22 AM PST by firebrand
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To: firebrand
:But the illegal immigrants don’t repay the city — or the state or federal government, for that matter — for the services. It’s not that they don’t want to. It’s just that the government won’t issue a Social Security number to someone who snuck into the country without permission. And it’s hard to pay either payroll taxes or income taxes without a Social Security number."
BullS**!!Most of the illegals I've met lately don't want to contribute.they want the job, the welfare and all the rent-assisted apartments, free education and school lunchs.

"Figure an average of $20,000 a year in income for these immigrants..." Just who does this Dit-Dot think he's fooling? $20,000 a year in NY qualifies you for a lot more in welfare and social services then collectable taxes.




7 posted on 12/19/2002 11:59:39 AM PST by Bodacious
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To: firebrand
"...blend of devotion and protest designed to draw the White House’s attention to the plight of illegal immigrants..."

Their "Plight" wouldn't be so bad...if they would have just stayed home in the first place !! !! !!

8 posted on 12/19/2002 12:22:34 PM PST by Coto
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To: firebrand
Pay more taxes, my eye. How many of them would fail to qualify for earned income credit, if they were filing returns -- probably none.

They are already paying into social security, on the fraudulent SSN's they use to get jobs. They just can't take the money out.

So, making them legal will only make them eligible for more of our money.

9 posted on 12/19/2002 12:37:13 PM PST by lady lawyer
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To: firebrand
"Make Them Legal" ... in Mexico.
10 posted on 12/19/2002 12:40:48 PM PST by bassmaner
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To: firebrand
Legalize 'em? Sure... Why not? But while we're at it, eliminate the minimum wage, public housing, Medicare, welfare, and all of the other trappings of the nanny-state that make sneaking into the US so attractive.
11 posted on 12/19/2002 1:13:19 PM PST by Redcloak
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To: firebrand
How about I line my Teddy's litterbox with it??? That's what it deserves.....
12 posted on 12/19/2002 2:39:55 PM PST by Dutchy
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To: firebrand
they’d be an argument for welfare reform, not for less immigration.

Well it is hard to argue with that.

13 posted on 12/19/2002 6:55:15 PM PST by razorback-bert
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To: firebrand
BUMP for a later read

"projectilogenic"... LOL

14 posted on 12/19/2002 9:22:30 PM PST by nutmeg
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To: Dutchy
You have a teddy bear?
15 posted on 12/20/2002 7:21:57 AM PST by firebrand
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To: Free the USA; Tancredo Fan; Marine Inspector; Ajnin; agitator; Tancred; Spiff; backhoe; ...
ping
16 posted on 12/20/2002 7:36:15 AM PST by madfly
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To: firebrand
None of the September 11 hijackers was Mexican. It seems ridiculous to punish them.

What the hell kind of leap of logic is that!?

17 posted on 12/20/2002 7:40:20 AM PST by mhking
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To: firebrand
NYC is broke and I think they forgot to mention that before they went on some moral zealotry rampage with this two bit piece of puff.
18 posted on 12/20/2002 7:42:39 AM PST by junta
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To: mhking
What the hell kind of leap of logic is that!?

The kind that tries to cross a chasm with two leaps, and then pretends it didn't hurt upon impacting the canyon floor.

19 posted on 12/20/2002 7:42:41 AM PST by dirtboy
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To: mhking
Isn't this whole idea of making the criminal Mexicans legal a bit disrciminatory? If we use the liberal dictionary of terms we can even say it is racist because the want for amnesty does not include other nationalities.
20 posted on 12/20/2002 7:54:16 AM PST by Ajnin
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