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U.S. Sen Patty Murray -- Senator Asks Students to Ponder (Sen. Murray lauds Osama bin Laden)
Columbian ^ | 12/19/2002 | Gregg Herrington

Posted on 12/19/2002 4:20:16 PM PST by B Knotts

U.S. Sen. Patty Murray was in Vancouver on Wednesday challenging high school students to answer these questions:

What is behind terrorist Osama bin Laden's popularity in some parts of the world, and should the United States adopt his nation-building tactics?

Speaking at Columbia River High School, Murray, D-Wash., responded to questions from students, most about the war on terrorism or government spending for education.

Later Wednesday, Murray visited C-Tran headquarters and checked out a new bus.

Murray met at Columbia River with world history students and student government leaders. Across town, Hudson's Bay High School students participated via teleconference.

Murray concluded the session by challenging the students to consider alternatives to war.

"We've got to ask, why is this man (Osama bin Laden) so popular around the world?," said Murray, who faces re-election in 2004. "Why are people so supportive of him in many countries ? that are riddled with poverty?

"He's been out in these countries for decades, building schools, building roads, building infrastructure, building day care facilities, building health care facilities, and the people are extremely grateful. We haven't done that.

"How would they look at us today if we had been there helping them with some of that rather than just being the people who are going to bomb in Iraq and go to Afghanistan?"

Murray said she doesn't know where she comes down on that guns-or-butter question, and building infrastructure in Third World countries would "cost a lot of money, and we have schools here and health care facilities here that are really hurting."

Be 'better neighbors'?

"War is expensive too," she said. "Your generation ought to be thinking about whether we should be better neighbors out in other countries so that they have a different vision of us.

"It is a debate I think we ought to have."

Murray was in the minority when the Senate voted 77-23 in October to give President Bush authority to use military force in confronting Saddam Hussein. The state's other senator, Democrat Maria Cantwell, voted for the resolution.

Murray opened Wednesday's event telling the students, "You'll be graduating into a world that is very difficult. ? The economy is struggling. War in Iraq is a very real possibility in the short term" and could cost $200 billion even if it were to last only a few weeks.

The cost of waging war could result in cuts to domestic programs such as Pell grants for college students, she said.

Responding to a question about federal spending for schools, Murray said the Bush administration is backing off its pledge of support for the No Child Left Behind program.

"There are crises in every one of our schools in this country," Murray said, and cutting spending on education has long-term deleterious effects.

Visit to the bus barn

Later in the day, Murray spent 45 minutes at the C-Tran administrative and operations facility at 2425 N.E. 65th Ave. for a holiday potluck. Randy Frasier's Mountain View High School jazz and concert choirs serenaded her with holiday carols.

Afterward, Murray examined a new $312,000 Gillig coach, the first of several dozen that will replace 20-year-old GM buses that have racked up an average of 650,000 miles each.

Murray is on the Senate Appropriations subcommittee on transportation, which funnels matching money to states and local agencies for buses and other transit programs. Eighty percent of the cost of new buses will come from federal grants, and the remainder from local C-Tran money.


TOPICS: Breaking News; Front Page News; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: Washington
KEYWORDS: clashofcivilizatio; islam; jihadinamerica; leftist; nevillechamberland; pattybinmurray; scum; taqiyyalist; traitor; traitorlist
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To: AmericaOne; andysandmikesmom; angry elephant; 123easy; 1911A1; 7mmMag@LeftCoast; Bean Counter; ...
Quite a Senator you got there. I thought we had it bad here in NY with the Hildebeast.
101 posted on 12/19/2002 9:25:58 PM PST by Behind Liberal Lines
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To: All
Marge Schott, private citizen, once said Hitler did "some good things but went too far". She was run out of baseball and tarred for life. Now I'm no Schott fan, but shouldn't an elected official be held to at least as high a standard, if not higher? If Murray can't be run out now for this, the GOP better have some clips of this to run incessantly come election time.
102 posted on 12/19/2002 9:31:06 PM PST by over3Owithabrain
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To: jsraggmann
I still can't believe that this simpleton is a senator.

After Barbara Boxer, nothing suprises me anymore.

103 posted on 12/19/2002 9:31:29 PM PST by Mr. Mojo
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To: One More Time
I just can't believe the morons in Washington who would elect such an imbecile....

Can we just say the MORONS IN AND AROUND SEATTLE
Those of us who live in Eastern Washington didn't vote for her. :-)

104 posted on 12/19/2002 9:31:38 PM PST by Spunky
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To: Spunky
font off Testing
105 posted on 12/19/2002 9:32:33 PM PST by Spunky
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To: B Knotts

Miss Stockholm Syndrome 2002

106 posted on 12/19/2002 9:33:32 PM PST by Imal
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To: B Knotts
"We've got to ask, why is this man (Osama bin Laden) so popular around the world?,"

Who the heck cares?!

107 posted on 12/19/2002 9:35:51 PM PST by Saundra Duffy
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To: B Knotts
"Nothing in the world is more dangerous than a sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity."

Martin Luther King, Jr.


108 posted on 12/19/2002 9:38:50 PM PST by Balata
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To: Behind Liberal Lines
At least Hillary don't sound like a complete flake. She learned to mask her true opinions after the health care debacle.
109 posted on 12/19/2002 9:39:01 PM PST by RobbyS
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To: swarthyguy
And what about that Hitler guy. If only someone had bought his postcards when he was young, he wouldn't have had to invade Poland. A few postcards, a few marks. WWII, megabucks. It's simple, isn't it, Patsy?
110 posted on 12/19/2002 9:39:15 PM PST by maro
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To: Balata
"Nothing in the world is more dangerous than a sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity." Martin Luther King, Jr.

Says it all.

111 posted on 12/19/2002 9:40:24 PM PST by RobbyS
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To: Balata
"Nothing in the world is more dangerous than a sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity." Martin Luther King, Jr.

Says it all.

112 posted on 12/19/2002 9:40:29 PM PST by RobbyS
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To: Balata
"Nothing in the world is more dangerous than a sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity." Martin Luther King, Jr.

Says it all.

113 posted on 12/19/2002 9:40:29 PM PST by RobbyS
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To: Spunky
Don't blame me, I voted for Linda Smith.

(and I live on Whidbey Island)

114 posted on 12/19/2002 9:43:06 PM PST by Mr. Mojo
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To: B Knotts
I can only hope that Bill O and the FOX crew will get a whiff of this and run with it like crazy
115 posted on 12/19/2002 9:43:53 PM PST by stuck_in_new_orleans
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To: RobbyS
You can say that again...wait, I guess you did. nevermind
116 posted on 12/19/2002 9:44:02 PM PST by Balata
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To: B Knotts
If no one else has, I'd like to be the first to call for her resignation. It seems another Senator has foot in mouth disease.
117 posted on 12/19/2002 9:45:11 PM PST by NeoCaveman
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To: B Knotts
This is her claim to fame, "Asbestos"

Get in on the money, you only have to live in a house, no need to see a doctor, just call and the lawyers will be there.....


118 posted on 12/19/2002 9:47:58 PM PST by jdontom
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To: B Knotts
"Murray concluded the session by challenging the students to consider alternatives to war."

Surrender.

119 posted on 12/19/2002 9:48:44 PM PST by spunkets
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To: B Knotts
I fail to see the "lauding" in her words. I'm not sure what she says is correct about him building "infrastructure" and all that crap but I can't find, and I hate her dumb ass, where she praising or lauding Osama.

She is an imbecile and I don't throw that word around loosely like the Rats do with Reagan or Bush or an other GOP person who makes it to the top.

She was, as I see it, pretending to sound intellectual when actually she was teaching the kids to be selfish. She was asking them to be against taking out Saddam and keeping him from getting Nukes so they can get Pell Grants.
120 posted on 12/19/2002 9:51:30 PM PST by TheErnFormerlyKnownAsBig
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