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Frist a Major Shareholder in Reputed For-Profit Abortion Provider
Human Events ^ | 12-20-02 | Terry Jeffrey

Posted on 12/19/2002 10:26:29 PM PST by The Old Hoosier

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To: Howlin
I didn't know that about you, and I'm very sorry to hear it happened. But I don't respect life any less than you do. Don't start judging me.
141 posted on 12/19/2002 11:42:02 PM PST by The Old Hoosier
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To: Delphinium
I refuse to be baited into a discussion of Hitler and the Jews.
142 posted on 12/19/2002 11:42:09 PM PST by Howlin
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To: The Old Hoosier
No, but you think you respect life MORE than I do becasue my views aren't like yours.

And I notice you didn't feel that way until you found out I had actually LOST a living child.

Hypocrite.

143 posted on 12/19/2002 11:43:32 PM PST by Howlin
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To: Howlin
Then answer the other one: Am I a single-issue voter if I won't vote for people who fund terrorists? If I won't vote for people who blame America and claim they're looking for the @#$#@ "root causes" of terrorism?
144 posted on 12/19/2002 11:44:19 PM PST by The Old Hoosier
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To: Howlin
I think Lott's folks are out there starting these attacks to scare conservatives away from Frist and further divide the party even more than Lott has already managed. Does Frist share all my beliefs - I'm sure not. Do I think he'll take a more pro-life agenda than the Dems would and get what he can through the Senate with Bush's help? Yes. The first legislative hurdle pro-life is PBA - I believe the Senate will eventually pass that with frist or any other GOP guy and bush will sign it. He certainly won't stop it - the issue polls well anyway and passed before except for a Clinton veto. As to the more controversial aspects of abortion, that will have to come through the courts anyway in time and Frist won't be blocking conservative judges. To summarize, he'll do at least as good as Lott, probably better, at passing what can be passed, and he won't be a reckless, weak idiot to boot. Frist isn't "my guy", but I have no problem if he gets ML.
145 posted on 12/19/2002 11:44:56 PM PST by over3Owithabrain
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To: P-Marlowe
Improvisation on established themes was the central musical experience for Bach, Mozart, Schubert, you name it. Gershwin and pre-ideological jazz are thus much closer to that tradition than cerebrally through-composed stuff.
146 posted on 12/19/2002 11:49:24 PM PST by PianoMan
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To: over3Owithabrain
Thanks for your explanation. Who was "your guy?"
147 posted on 12/19/2002 11:49:30 PM PST by Howlin
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To: Howlin
Don't start this BS. This is just a debate about ideas--is it my fault you mentioned it, evoking some sympathy from a fellow human being?

Yes, I have a heart, so I won't call you names right after you mention losing a child. Does that make me a hypocrite?

148 posted on 12/19/2002 11:49:44 PM PST by The Old Hoosier
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To: The Old Hoosier
You don't care about mothers. If a mother is raped or a victim or incest or her life is in danger, you STILL believe she should carry her child to term, even if it kills her.

Don't talk to me about life.

149 posted on 12/19/2002 11:50:41 PM PST by Howlin
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To: The Old Hoosier
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150 posted on 12/19/2002 11:51:50 PM PST by Flyer
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To: Howlin
I'll pray that you become more enlightened as to the value of innocent human life.

If you have lost a child, and still believe in abortion you really need prayer. Have you also had an abortion? My experience has been that many who defend abortion are many times women who are dealing with the guilt of having one. How could a woman carry a baby inside her, and think its not worthy of LIFE? I have also lost 3 babies, and have had 3. My first with no father around. People begged me to abort him. Life was not easy. It was very inconvenient. My reputation was ruined. Was my life more important then his? That fatherless child has 4 of his own now, one born yesterday. I can't imagine life without that child, or his children.
151 posted on 12/19/2002 11:52:47 PM PST by Delphinium
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To: Howlin
You know nothing about me, yet you judge me as if you did.

If her life is in danger and a surgical procedure will save her but kill the child, I'm all for it. I'm pro-life, including the life of the mother.

Rape and incest are irrelevant to that discussion, though. That's more like snuffing out something you don't like.

152 posted on 12/19/2002 11:52:48 PM PST by The Old Hoosier
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To: Delphinium
"If you really are a truth seeker you will find that our republic is already based on Christian, and Jewish laws."

I 'really am a truth_seeker' and I know that the USA is governed by a body of laws, including the Constitution. I will grant that our legal system was heavily influenced by Judeo-Christian concepts of civil society.

But if the founders had meant for the Christian bible to be the over-arching authority, I would have expected them to quote directly from it, and/or incorporate specific phrases into law.

They didn't do so. Hence, we are governed by the written, secular civil laws, interpretted from time to time by duly appointed judges.

I know enough about history to realize that religion at the time of the founding was about the FACT we WOULD NOT have a state religion.

And over 200 years have passed without a state religion. Contrary to your selective quotes, fundamentalist Christianity IS NOT the law in the USA.

Under the precepts of the founding, citizens would be free to practice their chosen faiths, without interference by the state. None would be favored.

Under the precepts of the founding, a liberal Christian faith would have equal standing under the law, with a fundamentalist Christian faith, or any other faith. There were Jews in the colonies, and Jefferson wrote references of islam.

That takes us away from Frist, his family's business. I see no problem with him, as far as the SML position.

Now you may prefer that this single issue be a litmus test for every political figure. You are free to do so, with respect to your own vote.
153 posted on 12/19/2002 11:53:22 PM PST by truth_seeker
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To: Delphinium
Have you also had an abortion? My experience has been that many who defend abortion are many times women who are dealing with the guilt of having one.

And you wonder what people despise you all.

154 posted on 12/19/2002 11:54:10 PM PST by Howlin
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To: CA Conservative
Right...lol...I'm against abortion so I'm in the way of progress against abortion.


Next time you run off the road why not aim for that tree...remember it's in the way of your progress of avoiding it.

I'm amused at all of you who took Lott's gaffe as a means to kill him and at the same time prostrate yourselves at the altar of political correctness but now you run circles to defend any hint of an issue with your boy Frist.

It's all about the politics in the end isn't it? Your talk of principle and falling on swords is only so much smokescreen.

BTW, I don't dislike Frist. We could do worse. I simply don't think any Pubbie senator is now up to the job. I wish DeLay was a senator.
155 posted on 12/19/2002 11:55:10 PM PST by wardaddy
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To: The Old Hoosier
You know nothing about me, yet you judge me as if you did.

You felt free to post this hit piece and then go on to pontificate about the unworthiness of Bill Frist.

You know the old say, "Judge not, lest you be judged."

If you're going to dish it out, you should be prepared to take it.

156 posted on 12/19/2002 11:55:44 PM PST by Howlin
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To: Howlin
I find Delph's comments in very poor taste, but she's not the one who turned this whole conversation into a personal issue. You were.
157 posted on 12/19/2002 11:56:23 PM PST by The Old Hoosier
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To: Howlin
There's a big difference between judging someone's ideas as they are stated--like Frist who said he's for legal abortion--and judging someone's views that haven't been articulated.
158 posted on 12/19/2002 11:57:16 PM PST by The Old Hoosier
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To: Howlin
I guess I really don't have a "guy", frankly I'm not hip to every nuance of the contenders. I wouldn't say I'm ABL (anyone but Lott), but I know he should go ASAP. I do want someone who isn't an old crony type, like Hatch.
Frist, Santorum, Nickles, McConnell, Kyl, all come across well and seem like loyal smart GOPers. Lott was uninspiring to say the least before this mess, I really do think a positive change is coming.
159 posted on 12/19/2002 11:57:56 PM PST by over3Owithabrain
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To: Delphinium
If you don't mind, I would prefer that a woman who couldn't say no to a man and ended up an unwed mother NOT pray for me.

You certainly are in no position to judge anybody.

160 posted on 12/19/2002 11:58:27 PM PST by Howlin
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