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>You are assuming what you are trying to prove. Christmas did not become a Christian holiday because Christianity was infiltrated by wiccans, pagans, and atheists. In this case it was not society that infiltrated Christianity but rather Christianity that infiltrated society.

G~d hates mixture! He calls people to come out and be holy, not to syncretize with the heathen and the unfruitful works of darkness. See Willow Creek link below.*** Christianity today has so infiltrated society that it has become like unto the heathen in most sinful respects. Syncretism is a tool of the devil to make the Church lukewarm. It is clear in the words of Jesus that He can tell who is true and who is false and one big way of doing that is looking at who keeps his commandments and who doesn't and makes up new rules, times and seasons.

>The early Christians took a major festive holiday of the pagans, threw out all of its trappings, changed its meaning, and effectively made it into a Christian holiday for the sake of evangelization.

"Evangelization" is a buzz word used by the globalist change agents in the seeker-sensitive apostate churches. In the days of Constantine the Romans took the Jewish faith as explained by Jesus Christ, changed it by eliminating the Jewish Feasts, all things Jewish and murdered the Jews who held to those beliefs. In their place and instead of the Torah which the L~rd told them to keep, they installed Satanic rites of Mithracism, mother and child worship from Nimrod and much more. It is set out here: Too Long in the Sun. (this was linked in #15 and #234 above but you must have missed it the first time you read the thread.) They changed what Jesus said and required instead that for Jews to convert to Christianity, they had to make this oath.

A Profession Of Faith From The Church Of Constantinople in the year 325 C.E.(A.D.) Under The Emperor Constantine

I renounce all customs, rites, legalisms. unleavened breads & sacrifices of lambs of the Hebrews, and all other feasts of the Hebrews, sacrifices, prayers, aspersions, purifications, sanctifications and propitiations and fasts, and new moons, and Sabbaths, and superstitions, and hymns and chants and observances and Synagogues, and the food and drink of The Hebrews; in one word, I renounce everything Jewish, every law, rite and custom and if afterwards I shall wish to deny and return to Jewish superstition, or shall be found eating with The Jews, or feasting with them, or secretly conversing and condemning the Christian religion instead of openly confuting them and condemning their vain faith, then let the trembling of Gehazi cleave to me, as well as the legal punishments to which I acknowledge myself liable. And may I be anathema in the world to come, and may my soul be set down with Satan and the devils.

Source: Parks, James The Conflict Of The Church And The Synagogue Atheneum, New York, 1974, pp. 397 - 398.

Jews were murdered by so-called Christians to fulfill the demands of false prophets and wolves in sheeps clothing. When a deceived Christian bows to demands of wolves and murders a Jew who is faithful to the Torah, it will obviously not be the "Christian" murderer "saved by grace" standing before the L~rd on Judgment Day being told, "Well done, thou good and faithful servant." It is the antichrist who thought to change times and laws then to deceive the Church just as it is the same antichrist spirit who seeks to do it now.

You might also look at this one. Would Your Church Allow You To Be Like Jesus?

>As I had shown, the Christmas Tree does not come from the ancient pagan tradition...

You are incorrect in that assumption and shows you have done no research or just denied everything you don't like. Using your model, you could use this as one of the elves for your Christmas decor, as it suits the phallic nature of the tree and you can "spread the word" at the same time, enjoy your spiritual fornication and have the ultimate in Syncretization and feel safe while doing it.

>...it cannot be denied that the birth of Christ (the very incarnation of God here on earth) ought to be celebrated and recognized. If you can recognize this fact, what does it matter upon which day it is done?

It can be denied because it was not his birth that he wanted celebrated but his death and resurrection and the reasons for that, which was discussed on this thread but you missed that too. He was born in the fall and if one had to pick any date, why not pick Feast of Trumpets? Why pick the date most loved by Satanists of the whole year? Because it benefits the occult. If any date will do, if you call the shots and make the rules, and change dates and times, then perhaps you don't need a L~rd that speaks, because you deny what He has said to do and you do what is right in your own eyes.

Syncretization means to reconcile and unite (differing religious beliefs, for example), especially with partial success or a heterogeneous result. It just more paving for the broad way to destruction. It uses the propaganda technique called the Hegelian Dialiectic. They bring two sides in opposition (thesis and anti-thesis) and have trained people to accept the Synthesis or Consensus (which is what the globalists intended at the start). That Consensus has led to the exaltation of evil people and the murder of innocents. It promotes the lukewarm, middle of the road, broad way to destruction. For any who haven't done it, they should Google some of these terms for the propaganda techniques used for one world takeover: Hegelian Dialectic - Diaprax - Delphi Technique - Gramsci

Here's a start: 100 ~ 105 ~ 24 ~ 25 ~

The Hegelian Dialectic and The New World Order
Introduction - A Theory, and the Hegelian Dialectic
The Meaning of "Original Sin"
Toward the Total State by William Norman Grigg re Gramsci
Who is Antonio Gramsci? You Better Learn!!!

The intent is to destroy the nations, not unite them: Allah and the Real-World-Order

The Diabolical System of DIAPRAX
Online book: THE DIALECTIC & PRAXIS: DIAPRAX AND THE END OF THE AGES by Dean Gotcher
Paul Proctor -- Diaprax Goes To Seminary
Paul Proctor -- Archives
*** WILLOW CREEK... HEGELIAN DIALECTIC & THE NEW WORLD ORDER ***
Concerned Members - Links Library
A Complete Explanation Of Hegel from an Unbiased Viewpoint
Brainwashing in America - Berit Kjos
Conforming the Church to the New Millennium - Berit Kjos
The UN Plan for Your Mental Health
Local Agenda - The U.N. Plan for Your Community
How the Hegelian Dialectic is Transforming The World To Bring In The New World Order
MIND CONTROL

The Hegelian Dialectic
"The dialectical method of Georg Wilhelm Friedrich Hegel (1770-1831) consists of two main steps: the invention of artificial extremes (``thesis'' and ``antithesis'') which superficially conflict with each other, and the synthesis from that conflict of a goal, which is made to appear to be the product of consensus. The artificial extremes are chosen and propagandized (marginalizing the population) in such a way that the goal is naturally synthesized from them. It is, essentially, a trick - a fraud. It is a strategy of ideological divide-and-conquer. The dialectic ruse dissipates the energy and coherency of its targets - unless they recognize the ruse as such.
Hegel was a fountain of awful ideas, liberally cribbed by Marx and Engels, by the sickly and neurologically defective Mary Baker Eddy (founder of the Church of Christ, Scientist, which - as evidenced by its concept of "Malicious Animal Magnetism" - is in fact similar to Scientology), and by the Unitarians (who are historical proponents of universal government schooling in pursuit of socialist indoctrination). Hegel was an influence on famed phenomenologist Martin Heidegger (1889-1978) (NSDAP#3125894, 1933-May-1) (author of Being and Time (1927) and a critic of Hegel's methods), on French existentialist phenomenologist and Marxist Jean-Paul Sartre (1905-1980) (author of The Transcendence of the Ego (1937) and Being and Nothingness (1943)), and on "spiritualist" utopian Marxist philosopher Ernst Bloch (Das Prinzip Hoffnung (The Principle of Hope)).
A central precept of the Hegelian ethic is that people are principally motivated by the desire to receive the approval and recognition of others, and to avoid their disapproval.*Since this motivation is not predicated on the reasonableness of that approval or disapproval, the principle is a mechanism by which an individual delegates arbitrary control to others. This is, obviously, an enabling principle of collectivism. By encouraging people to embrace this tendency, and amplify it into a preeminent mechanism of decision making, Hegelianism works directly to subvert the individual." ... Source ~ http://www.mega.nu:8080/ampp/intro2.html#theory

*People have been trained to be man-pleasers, not God pleasers.

Mt 24:5 For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ;*** and shall deceive many.

Mt 24:11 And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many.

*** or "I am a Christian..."

Christmas as it exists today is not a syncretized version of the old pagan holiday. Syncretizing involves an attempt to unite and harmonize two things that would otherwise be opposed. I have put forward that what the early Christians did was not a case of syncretizing but rather a case of using a particular day to celebrate a Christian concept- the incarnation of Christ- in order to pull people away from the pagan celebration. This does not mean that the old trappings were retained, as you have been assuming throughout this thread. If the old trappings and meanings had been maintained, then you could make a case that syncretizing had occured. It is incumbent on you to show that this has taken place. This would be far more productive than simply throwing out accusations and claiming that all Christians who take part in Christmas are deceived and have fallen. You certainly are not convincing anyone but yourself of the worthiness of your cause, but rather pushing them away from your message. (And no, this is not because they are "deceived by the devil", but rather because you are speaking with the words of men expressing the ideas of men rather than by the guidance of God)

"Evangelization" is a buzz word used by the globalist change agents in the seeker-sensitive apostate churches.

On the contrary, evangelization is a real word with a real meaning that is at the very basis of what it means to be Christian. Evangelization means to go forth and spread the gospel of Christ. This is what we are commanded to do as Christians. If some have "hijacked" the meaning of true evangelization and perverted it, this does not reflect on "evangelization" itself but rather upon those who perverted it. It does not follow that suddenly we are no longer called to evangelize because some have perverted its meaning.

In the days of Constantine the Romans took the Jewish faith as explained by Jesus Christ, changed it by eliminating the Jewish Feasts, all things Jewish and murdered the Jews who held to those beliefs. In their place and instead of the Torah which the L~rd told them to keep, they installed Satanic rites of Mithracism, mother and child worship from Nimrod and much more. It is set out here: Too Long in the Sun. (this was linked in #15 and #234 above but you must have missed it the first time you read the thread.) They changed what Jesus said and required instead that for Jews to convert to Christianity, they had to make this oath.

I read it the first time, but I considered it to be a quite silly assertion not even worth the effort to refute. It revolves around a post hoc fallacy. The Jewish rites and customs were rejected not out of a desire to "pervert" Christianity so that they could be replaced by pagan rites, but rather because they were signs of the Old Covenant that were done away with the New. Christ had come in glory, had died, and had been resurrected. There was no more need to hope for a messiah, to make sacrifices in the temple, to maintain customs such as circumcision (one need only read Paul's Epistles in the New Testament to know this), or to abstain from certain foods. It was the apostles themselves that did away with the customs in the first place, not the government of Constantine. These latter Christians were merely enforcing what the apostles had set forward in the first place.

As for the so-called "introductions" from Mithracism, simple research into the works of the Church Fathers will show that many of the rites that are claimed to originate from there had existed prior to the legalization of Christianity. That there are parallels in the pagan cults is not proof that they were actually caused by those cults. It is very much akin to the assertions of some that Christianity itself has its roots in the "pagan mystery religions".

You are incorrect in that assumption and shows you have done no research or just denied everything you don't like.

I do hope that the irony here is not lost on you, my friend.

I am not incorrect in that statement. I had posted the story earlier in the thread. Simple research on your part would substantiate the story. A search on St. Boniface will show that this wasn't a story made up on the spot.

Using your model, you could use this as one of the elves for your Christmas decor, as it suits the phallic nature of the tree and you can "spread the word" at the same time, enjoy your spiritual fornication and have the ultimate in Syncretization and feel safe while doing it.

Yes, with this gross picture you have shown an example where Christianity has been syncretized with the world. However, you are now arguing by false analogy, because you have not shown that this has occurred with Christmas. The only arguments supporting your claims in this case have been post hoc arguments that necessitate substantiation that a true casual relationship exists.

It can be denied because it was not his birth that he wanted celebrated but his death and resurrection and the reasons for that, which was discussed on this thread but you missed that too.

Yes, it was discussed earlier, but you were still wrong! Simply because you argued something earlier does not mean that you really proved your point! And you are dead wrong with your statement here. For you to deny the importance of the incarnation of Christ and reduce the importance of his life on earth to his death and resurrection effectively places you outside the fold of Christianity. His death and resurrection were of the utmost importance, but His actual incarnation is every bit as important. Indeed, his death and resurrection have absolutely no meaning whatsoever if he had not come in the first place! There is far more to the Gospel than merely the death and resurrection. To downplay the importance of the fact that God became man to live and teach among us is gross heresy. The celebration of Christ's birth is a celebration of the fact that God saw fit to become one of us and to fulfill the redemption He had promised. This is an essential part of the Faith that saves us.

He was born in the fall and if one had to pick any date, why not pick Feast of Trumpets? Why pick the date most loved by Satanists of the whole year? Because it benefits the occult. If any date will do, if you call the shots and make the rules, and change dates and times, then perhaps you don't need a L~rd that speaks, because you deny what He has said to do and you do what is right in your own eyes.

Your pharisaism is most disturbing. Certainly it is not the day that is important, but rather the ideal and the concept expressed on that day. Secondly, I was under the impression that Halloween was the day most loved by Satanists- make up your minds. Thirdly, no one is picking up the benefits of the occult- the Christianization of the day effectively stomped out the pagan holiday, not syncretized it. Fourthly, if God did not set a specific date to celebrate his incarnation, then it was certainly something left to the liberty of those within the Church.

You still have yet to substantiate your claims that Christianity and Christmas was syncretized in a manner that does not rely on post hoc fallacies. I am not going to bother with this thread until this is done, as I have much more important things to turn my attention to than the claims of a pharisee.

(And yes, I still say these things in love out of a concern for your soul, because I see that you have strayed into several grave errors.)