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Arctic ice cap to vanish in 80 years!
The Times, London ^ | Sunday, December 22, 2002 | Jonathan Leake

Posted on 12/22/2002 7:36:29 AM PST by freeforall

Arctic ice cap to vanish in 80 years, study says Kyoto climate treaty came 'too late' to save polar ice from melting

Jonathan Leake The Times, London

Sunday, December 22, 2002

The ice cap covering the North Pole will vanish in less than 80 years as climate change melts it away, say British meteorological researchers.

The area covered by ice has shrunk by 20 per cent since the 1950s and its average winter thickness has reduced by 40 per cent since 1970. From detailed measurements of the rate of melting, the Met Office's Hadley Centre for monitoring climate change predicts the ice-cap will disappear around September 2079.

The Met Office research, to be published next year, assumes emissions of carbon dioxide and other greenhouse gases will continue to rise at their current rate. Many believe this will happen since the U.S. rejected the Kyoto climate treaty that would have cut emissions. Canada ratified the treaty Monday.

Geoff Jenkins, head of climate change prediction, said only a few icebergs would be left. "Our figures suggest that virtually all the ice will be gone," he said.

Even if the world reduced emissions by the maximum possible, it would only give a few years reprieve, says the Met Office.

"The greenhouse gases already in the atmosphere mean we will keep getting warmer for decades, whatever we do," said Mr. Jenkins. "Cutting emissions is important, but the effects will come too late to save the polar ice cap."

The loss of the ice cap will open up the Northwest Passage and enable ships to save thousands of kilometres on journeys between Europe and the Far East.

It could also change weather patterns. The larger expanse of open sea would increase evaporation and rainfall, possibly causing wetter summers in Europe. It might also allow more plankton to grow, thus boosting fish stocks.

For other wildlife, however, the change could be disastrous. Polar bears and seals would be hit hard because they rely on floating ice to hunt and breed.

"The north polar wildlife is unique, but it is going to have to adapt fast if it is to survive," said Peter Wadhams, professor of ocean physics at Cambridge University.

The thinning of the ice has already hampered some expeditions to the pole. David Mill, a Briton, had to be rescued last May after finding his way blocked by thin ice.

The melting of the North Pole will not raise sea levels as all the ice is floating. There are, however, fears the temperature increases could melt Antarctica, the southern ice cap. This sits above sea level on a buried continent so melting would sharply raise sea levels.

© Copyright 2002 The Ottawa Citizen


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Extended News; Government
KEYWORDS: bullsplattered; globalwarming; globalwarminghoax; kyoto
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1 posted on 12/22/2002 7:36:29 AM PST by freeforall
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To: freeforall
Where's the next ice age that these same <expletive deleted>s were predicting 25 years ago?
2 posted on 12/22/2002 7:38:26 AM PST by steveegg
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To: steveegg
The loss of the ice cap will open up the Northwest Passage and enable ships to save thousands of kilometres on journeys between Europe and the Far East.
Yes! Thank you, all you SUV operators.
3 posted on 12/22/2002 7:46:45 AM PST by Asclepius
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To: freeforall
"Arctic ice cap to vanish in 80 years"

Found growing between Hillary's thighs!
4 posted on 12/22/2002 7:48:48 AM PST by Bluntpoint
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To: Asclepius
We won't need the ChiCom operated Panama Canal any more!
5 posted on 12/22/2002 7:50:08 AM PST by reg45
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To: freeforall
Complaints about a longer growing season and a potential end to all hunger that isn't created politically?
6 posted on 12/22/2002 7:53:10 AM PST by Maelstrom
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To: freeforall
Geoff Jenkins, head of climate change prediction, said only a few icebergs would be left. "Our figures suggest that virtually all the ice will be gone," he said.

Umm, Geoff, darling, the arctic pack ice breaks up nearly every summer, and is mostly just a bunch of icebergs.

There is also published information that talks about periods of arctic sea ice reduction that goes back centuries. Somehow the ice always comes back again.

This "story" is all about the Canadian ratification of Kyoto (as if they would follow through) and just another chance to bash USA.

7 posted on 12/22/2002 7:54:12 AM PST by jimtorr
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To: freeforall
Inever had much use for it anyway.
8 posted on 12/22/2002 7:54:35 AM PST by Ahban
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To: steveegg
Where's the next ice age that these same s were predicting 25 years ago?

Exactly. The sky is perpetually falling. Just to remind all what a bunch of Nostradami these sages are, the following are quotes from the first Earth Day in 1970:

"It is already too late to avoid mass starvation." Dennis Hayes, chief organizer--Earth Day 1

"At least 100-200 million people per year will be starving to death during the next ten years." Paul Ehrlich

"By the year 2000, thirty years from now, the entire world, with the exception of Western Europe, North America, and Australia, will be in famine." Prof. Peter Gunter, North Texas State University

"In a decade, urban dwellers will have to wear gas masks to survive air pollution... by 1985 air pollution will have reduced the amount of sunlight reaching earth by one half..." `Life' Magazine, January 1970

"Air pollution... is certainly going to take hundreds of thousands of lives in the next few years alone." Paul Ehrlich

"By the year 2000... there won't be any more crude oil." Ecologist Kenneth Watt

"In 25 years, somewhere between 75 and 80 percent of all the species of living animals will be extinct." Dr. S. Dillon Ripley, secretary, Smithsonian Institute

"The world has been chilling sharply for about twenty years... the world will be about four degrees colder for the global mean temperature in 1990, but eleven degrees colder in the year 2000. This is about twice what it would take to put us into an ice age." Kenneth Watt

"In the 1970s and 1980s, hundreds of millions of people will starve to death in spite of any crash program embarked upon now." Paul Ehrlich, "The Population Bomb" (1968)
9 posted on 12/22/2002 7:55:23 AM PST by GOPmember
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To: freeforall
You mean, no more ice fishing?
10 posted on 12/22/2002 7:56:22 AM PST by b4its2late
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To: steveegg
"...Where's the next ice age that these same s were predicting 25 years ago?..."

We've got dweebs pushing policy and setting agendas who weren't even born when that equally fanciful theory was being advanced.

Getting older means having a front row seat at the 'Special Olympics' that is the human condition, doesn't it?

11 posted on 12/22/2002 7:57:11 AM PST by DWSUWF
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To: freeforall
I'm going to let you guys in on something these meteorologists and climatologists don't have a clue about. Between the years 1300-1400 the this planet sank into what is called the little ice age. Before the ice age average global temperatures were two degrees higher than they are today. We began coming out of this little ice age around 1850 and are still climbing out of it today. Global warming is a lie. If these climatologists made a ten second search on the history of climate change they would discover we are still below the warm temperatures that were experienced during the late roman period and early Middle ages.


http://www.grisda.org/origins/10051.htm

12 posted on 12/22/2002 7:57:34 AM PST by Sentis
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To: freeforall
Wow, this sounds series!

;-)

13 posted on 12/22/2002 7:57:35 AM PST by Momaw Nadon
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To: reg45
The best thing that would happen if the ice caps melted is that all the Liberals in New York city and Washington would drown.
14 posted on 12/22/2002 8:00:42 AM PST by Sentis
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To: jodorowsky
Weather control ping!
15 posted on 12/22/2002 8:01:54 AM PST by freeforall
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To: GOPmember
Excellent post!
16 posted on 12/22/2002 8:03:42 AM PST by MonroeDNA
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To: freeforall
Arctic ice cap to vanish in 80 years!

Just the end of the last ice age coming up. Now if I were Gore the Bore, I would spend hundreds of billions of dollars attempting to change the weather. </sarcasm>

18 posted on 12/22/2002 8:08:00 AM PST by chainsaw
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To: Momaw Nadon
can any of these doomsayers please tell me accurately and without resevation what the weather is going to be tomorow.
19 posted on 12/22/2002 8:09:07 AM PST by andyofvt
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To: freeforall
Arctic ice cap to vanish in 80 years!

Send Money!

20 posted on 12/22/2002 8:13:29 AM PST by TightSqueeze
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To: freeforall
The effect of an open Arctic Ocean could be significant. Currently the air in the Arctic is both cold and dry. The northern islands of Canada are the drier than other parts of North America, except for the southwestern deserts.

On consequence would be increased moisture in the atmosphere. This traps more sunlight during the summer and results in additional heating.

Another consequence is that the southwesterly winds off the Arctic Ocean would result in a great deal more rain and snow in northern Canada. This may result in the start of a new glacier building cycle there. If there is a significant amount of rain or snow melt being introduced into the north Atlantic, this could reduce the Gulf Stream and its heat transfer from the south. This could trigger new glaciation over northern Europe.

21 posted on 12/22/2002 8:13:47 AM PST by Lessismore
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To: GOPmember
"Air pollution... is certainly going to take hundreds of thousands of lives in the next few years alone." Paul Ehrlich

Actually, the estimate is excess mortality of 50,000 per year in the United States due to coal burning. Victims of opposition to Nuclear power. Not burning coal would be worse, BTW, since the benefits of coal-burning outweigh the costs.

Also, nuclear power releases no greenhouse gasses.

22 posted on 12/22/2002 8:14:48 AM PST by Lonesome in Massachussets
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To: andyofvt
Exactly! You were wise to note that the gloom-&-doomers are careful to predict circumstances beyond their lifetimes. It is so much better to be forgotten in death that to be held accountable and ridiculed in life.
23 posted on 12/22/2002 8:15:15 AM PST by Sgt_Schultze
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To: freeforall
" Arctic ice cap to vanish in 80 years! "

Women, Children and Minorities to suffer most!

24 posted on 12/22/2002 8:19:16 AM PST by Republic of Texas
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To: freeforall
The real problem is that the Kyoto climate treaty had no provision placing limits
and punishments on the real cause of global warming.
If the Sun had been prohibited from having cycles, and punished
if it continued, Kyoto would have been worthy of
President sink masters signature.
25 posted on 12/22/2002 8:19:22 AM PST by ASA Vet
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To: freeforall
This is good news for the Canadians. Now they can rape the north pole like they have been doing on Vancouver Island.
26 posted on 12/22/2002 8:26:50 AM PST by hgro
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To: Momaw Nadon
Snow problem.
27 posted on 12/22/2002 8:30:07 AM PST by DeaconBenjamin
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To: freeforall
Arctic ice cap to vanish in 80 years, study says Kyoto climate treaty came 'too late' to save polar ice from melting.

Thanks to Jonathan Leake for the "hot" tip. When it melts, Florida will be mostly under water. My trash dump sitting on a hill will be beach front property, and I'll get rich. Since he gave me the tip, I'll offer him a 10% discount on the corner lot. However, he will have to remove the bottles and cans.

28 posted on 12/22/2002 8:30:39 AM PST by ghostrider
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To: freeforall
ice cap missing ...heck I still cant find my Milwaukee Braves hat I lost moving a few years back
29 posted on 12/22/2002 8:34:10 AM PST by joesnuffy
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To: freeforall
This will come as bad news to those of you with ocean-front condos on the Ross Ice Shelf.
30 posted on 12/22/2002 8:38:14 AM PST by IronJack
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To: GOPmember
Great quotes! These doomsdayers need to be constantly reminded of their hyperbole. They make the weatherman look like the Delphic Oracle.
31 posted on 12/22/2002 8:40:38 AM PST by IronJack
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To: freeforall
I remember reading an article a while back where the whole "the polar ice cap is shrinking/breaking up" theory was dismissed as an inaccurate analysis of the data because they forgot to take into account the fact that the ice is constantly moving. When they took that into account, they found there was no significant loss of ice.

Something like that. I did several searches but now I can't find it.....

32 posted on 12/22/2002 8:43:30 AM PST by SW6906
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To: freeforall
In other news, Greenlanders, Russians and some Canadians are eagerly anticipating the climate change.
33 posted on 12/22/2002 8:46:55 AM PST by Odyssey-x
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To: freeforall
Kyoto climate treaty that would have cut emissions............Even if the world reduced emissions by the maximum possible, it would only give a few years reprieve, says the Met Office.

Well, that's really good news.

We can now stop all this nonsense of pretending the Kyoto treaty will work.

Dump the treaty in the recycle bin and let us await our doom.

Until then just pretend like nothing is wrong.

34 posted on 12/22/2002 8:49:48 AM PST by JZoback
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To: Sentis
I'm going to let you guys in on something these meteorologists and climatologists don't have a clue about. Between the years 1300-1400 the this planet sank into what is called the little ice age. Before the ice age average global temperatures were two degrees higher than they are today. We began coming out of this little ice age around 1850 and are still climbing out of it today. Global warming is a lie. If these climatologists made a ten second search on the history of climate change they would discover we are still below the warm temperatures that were experienced during the late roman period and early Middle ages.

You're correct. Except that global warming isn't a lie. We are in a period of global warming, coming out of an ice age.

35 posted on 12/22/2002 8:50:43 AM PST by gitmo
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To: Fzob
bump.

36 posted on 12/22/2002 8:50:58 AM PST by JZoback
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To: GOPmember
Could you supply dates for those quotations? I recognize some as coming from the 70's. They would be more impressive if we knew how long ago the world was supposed to have collapsed.
37 posted on 12/22/2002 8:52:34 AM PST by gitmo
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To: Sentis
You are correct. Why, I just did an extrapolation on a spare POST-IT note on my desk, and my calculations show the Earth covered in ice to an average depth of 1,000 meters by 2010. The only ice-free ports will be in Hawaii and Samoa. I think we need to get on this quickly- start raising money now for billions of portable hairdryers and space-heaters to melt this stuff! (And extension cords- don't forget the extension cords!)
38 posted on 12/22/2002 8:53:16 AM PST by RANGERAIRBORNE
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To: freeforall
There used to be hundreds of feet of ice covering the land where my house sits today (New England). Thank God for global warming.
39 posted on 12/22/2002 8:55:30 AM PST by SamAdams76
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To: andyofvt
can any of these doomsayers please tell me accurately and without resevation what the weather is going to be tomorow.

Or better yet, the stock market!

40 posted on 12/22/2002 8:55:46 AM PST by gitmo
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To: Lonesome in Massachussets
"Also, nuclear power releases no greenhouse gasses."

Uhmmm. Water vapor, which is by far the most prevalent of the "greenhouse gases," is released in copious quantities from the nuclear power plants that have cooling towers.

On a clear day, Three Mile Island, near Harrisburg, PA, releases a cloud of water vapor that can be seen from the air as soon as the plane takes off from New York City.

41 posted on 12/22/2002 8:58:24 AM PST by nightdriver
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To: freeforall
Cool
42 posted on 12/22/2002 8:58:59 AM PST by US_MilitaryRules
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To: freeforall
Increased fishing stocks, northwest passage, possible ice-sheets over northern Europe... sounds like a net positive to me.

As for the seals and polar bears, I feel bad for them, but that's the way the cookie crumbles.

43 posted on 12/22/2002 9:05:51 AM PST by samtheman
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To: chainsaw
I thought he invented the weather.Lets blame him.
44 posted on 12/22/2002 9:06:04 AM PST by goose1
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To: gitmo
gitmo wrote "You're correct. Except that global warming isn't a lie. We are in a period of global warming, coming out of an ice age."


Of course its global warming but it isn't "Global Warming" it could more correctly be called natural global climate correction. In fact there have been periods of time on this planet that have been much much warmer where all ice caps melted. Did this destroy all life? No it actually caused explosions in the diversity of life.


In any case man has never had anything to do witrh global temperature changes.

45 posted on 12/22/2002 9:10:06 AM PST by Sentis
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To: freeforall
From detailed measurements of the rate of melting, the Met Office's Hadley Centre for monitoring climate change predicts the ice-cap will disappear around September 2079.

The temperature outside my house is 8 degrees warmer than it was 6 hours ago. From detailed meausrements of the rate of warming, I predict that if this trend continues, I will be dead within a week.

46 posted on 12/22/2002 9:20:57 AM PST by Rodney King
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To: freeforall
Oh no! We're doomed!

Again!

47 posted on 12/22/2002 9:30:27 AM PST by Jhoffa_
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To: freeforall
I can hardly wait!
48 posted on 12/22/2002 9:31:27 AM PST by Argh
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To: steveegg

Now THAT is an excellent question.

I was at my parents house watching TV not too long ago and they had one of the "in search of" (the one hosted by spock, you remember?) episodes on some satellite channel.

Commander Spock was talking ominously about how we were all doomed to die in another "ice age" that would certainly overtake and destroy us, just like the dinosaurs.. Oh my.. OH MY!

I couldn't stop laughing.. I snickered all the way through it, especially when he said "scientists predict"

LOL!

49 posted on 12/22/2002 9:36:37 AM PST by Jhoffa_
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To: freeforall
Morons. Must have seen "A.I." too many times.
50 posted on 12/22/2002 9:36:54 AM PST by pabianice
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