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Stem cells: Give us the cures, spare us the sermon
Newark (red)Star Ledger ^ | 12/22/02 | JOHN MCLAUGHLIN

Posted on 12/23/2002 1:21:54 PM PST by Incorrigible

Stem cells: Give us the cures, spare us the sermon

Sunday, December 22, 2002

[Newark, NJ] -- Paul Byrne has been a political operative in Jersey City for 25 years. He is one of those guys for whom politics is both vocation and avocation. He knows everybody in Democratic politics, and everybody knows him.

Nine years ago, Byrne was diagnosed with Type 2 diabetes, which has led to a retina condition called macular degeneration. At 57, and despite two operations on both eyes, he has lost 98 percent of his sight. But he keeps up with the news because four or five friends call and read him the newspapers.

Among the stories that came to him this way was a piece about a breakthrough in stem cell research in India that has led to the successful restoration of damaged retinas.

It left him furious. It is a fury directed at President George W. Bush, who is an opponent of embryonic stem cell research because the technique results in the destruction of embryos. Accordingly, Bush has ordered that federal funding be denied for this kind of research. And never mind that the embryos at issue are those left over from in-vitro procedures at pregnancy clinics and would be destroyed in any event.

So, freeze in perpetuity superfluous embryos created in a lab to induce birth, and you are doing the Lord's work. Destroy embryos after their stem cells are extracted in an attempt to cure people suffering from a dozen different diseases, and you are in league with Satan. Insert a recipient's DNA into a stem cell to reduce chances the body will reject it and you are paving the way for human cloning.

Last week the state Senate passed a bill that would make New Jersey the second state in the nation to legalize embryonic stem cell research. (NJ Senate Votes to Harvest Babies for body parts (My Title))  The bill is sponsored by Richard Codey, the Democratic leader in the Senate. It passed in a party-line vote with most Republicans abstaining. It passed over the objections of the Roman Catholic Church and various anti-abortion allies. The Codey legislation may be altered a tad but Gov. James E. McGreevey is a supporter and it is going to become law.

Not surprisingly, Paul Byrne is an enthusiastic supporter of the Codey bill. It may help him see again. He believes it's good science and good politics in a state chockablock in pharmaceutical research firms.

Of the opponents, he says, "They are the very people who believed in miracles, yet they would deny me my miracle." And they are hard at work.

Joan Quigley is a Democratic assemblywoman from Hudson County. She is being flooded with form letters informing her that the Codey bill "is not part of God's plan."

"I tell them that it's more important that God help those to whom he's already given life," Quigley says.

For years now, I've been reading about the promise of stem cells as a cure for a bunch of diseases. Parkinson's disease as often as not heads up the list. This interests me because I've had Parkinson's disease for about six years now. I'm not complaining. If you have to get a heretofore incurable, degenerative disease, this one is not the worst. Still, it hasn't been much fun and it's nice to know there's a potential cure out there.

So I could do without President Bush playing politics with my future by buying into the religious right's contention that it knows what God is thinking and God believes the destruction of embryos in course of research isn't much different than killing babies.

As for the Catholic Church, if the bishops want to take the position they know the mind of God on the question of embryonic research, so be it. But they might want to think about confining their efforts to people who still put stock in what they have to say. Their moralizing rings a little hollow these days.

Let God and me handle this. If the bishops don't mind, I'd like the opportunity to be treated if and when the researchers come up with the right technique.

And I'm willing to take my chances that God won't make me out to be a mass murderer.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial; News/Current Events; US: New Jersey
KEYWORDS: abortionlist; catholiclist; cell; newjersey; prolife; research; stem
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Hmmm.  Why don't we just run some medical experiments on these Jews here.  After all, they're not people.  It will help medical science and we can all benefit.  God won't think I'm a bad guy.
1 posted on 12/23/2002 1:21:54 PM PST by Incorrigible
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To: Coleus
Bump
2 posted on 12/23/2002 1:22:29 PM PST by Incorrigible
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To: Incorrigible
It has been proven that adult stem cells are the answer, not embryonic ones. They continually die off but the adult stem cells don't. It's another deception.
3 posted on 12/23/2002 1:27:47 PM PST by Marysecretary
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To: *Pro_Life
We will see if the pro-life freepers want to add something here.
4 posted on 12/23/2002 1:28:09 PM PST by The Obstinate Insomniac
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To: Incorrigible
And never mind that the embryos at issue are those left over from in-vitro procedures at pregnancy clinics and would be destroyed in any event.

Plus stem cells that are found in abundance in placenta. To make the statement that stem-cells are found in fetus's; therefore we will not do work with stem-cells is short-sighted and foolish. If the gov't wishes to restrict the 'sources' of stem-cells to prevent an abortion industry, fine. But to non-fund a means in which we may gain medical knowlege is flawed. Much like insulin, in time we need not kill or 'harvest' from animals in order to get what is needed. But, first we must understand what is going on.

5 posted on 12/23/2002 1:28:40 PM PST by Hodar
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To: Incorrigible
"Why don't we just run some medical experiments on these Jews here.."

No, I prefer that if experiments are run that they be run on some idiot posters, of which we have a full complement.
6 posted on 12/23/2002 1:29:31 PM PST by APBaer
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To: Incorrigible
It all rests on this flawed assertion: So, freeze in perpetuity superfluous embryos created in a lab to induce birth, and you are doing the Lord's work. Making extra individual human lives to store in liquid nitrogen while playing 'russian roulette' with implantations isn't even doing the Lord's work. It's humankind playing at being like God, but with little or none of the know how to do it right. If it is appropriate to exploit for body parts the embryos in in vitro labs, it is appropriate to harvest body parts from any preborn individual human life. It ain't and we will suffer the consequences if we allow our arrogance to so extend. This may sound crass, but I don't count this writer's life more important than the embryonic life he wants cannabalized for his treatment.
7 posted on 12/23/2002 1:32:02 PM PST by MHGinTN
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To: APBaer
I'm as rightwing as anyone around. I also have a family FULL of people who have been wracked by diseases which could be cured by such research.

It is absolutely unconscionable for those who claim to be religious to stand in the way of this. We're not even talking about abortion here...these embryos WILL NEVER develop into humans. To allow such fearmongering demagogues to halt research into treatments which could ease pain or cure ailments is plain wrong.

Now, let the flames, full of horrid namecalling and strawmen, begin! Let the insane comparisons to the Nazis start! It only places those who use such "arguments" in the same corral with those Leftists that they CLAIM to despise, yet whose emotion-laced tactics they seem to just LOVE.

8 posted on 12/23/2002 1:39:44 PM PST by Long Cut
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To: Incorrigible
They take donated organs from adult murder victims don't they?

What is the moral problem with this? They are'nt being killed for their stem cells/kidneys, that is obviously different. The choices are burn, bury, use or eat (ref python: if you feel guilty about eating your dead mother you can through-up into a grave afterward).

9 posted on 12/23/2002 1:40:48 PM PST by Dinsdale
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To: Incorrigible
Dr Mengele, white courtesy phone
10 posted on 12/23/2002 1:41:48 PM PST by AppyPappy
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To: Long Cut
"It is absolutely unconscionable for those who claim to be religious to stand in the way of this"

Ah, but see, they have two things going for them:
1. They *know* they are right and everyone else is *wrong*, no beyond that, damned.
2. They are all tied together by their ping lists, true "Freep This Poll" types, tending by the number of posts they make to appear to constitute a much larger portion of Freepers than they actually are.
11 posted on 12/23/2002 2:02:30 PM PST by APBaer
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To: APBaer
A truly bad lot. Unlike, say, the libertarians here, who are . . . well, not righteous exactly, because that suggests there might be a "wrong" to go along with the "right," but you get the idea.
12 posted on 12/23/2002 2:16:42 PM PST by madprof98
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To: madprof98
"A truly bad lot. "

No, I wouldn't want to say that and appear to be judgmental.
13 posted on 12/23/2002 2:19:17 PM PST by APBaer
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To: Incorrigible
"They are the very people who believed in miracles, yet they would deny me my miracle."

The hell-bent insistence on making himself the beneficiary of a murder is what's blocking this man's chance at a miracle. He needs a cure for his soul.

It's a grim irony that Byrnes's disease is blindness.

14 posted on 12/23/2002 2:20:11 PM PST by Romulus
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To: Incorrigible
I'll bet that at least some of John McLaughlin's neighbors drop whatever they're doing when McLaughlin comes out to shovel snow...

They crowd around their windows, watching him with rapt attention...

Hoping he'll have a massive coronary.

John, for his part, always wonders what that muffled "Awww..." sound is that seems to come from all around him when he stops shoveling and climbs the steps to his front door.

15 posted on 12/23/2002 2:24:37 PM PST by DWSUWF
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To: Incorrigible
And I'm willing to take my chances that God won't make me out to be a mass murderer.

With this "reasoning" anything horrific can be justified. You (McLaughlin) may be willing, buddy, but we won't let you kill innocent people so you can overcome your personal hurdle. That is too great a price to pay.... Pray to God for your own self, and let others live their lives....

16 posted on 12/23/2002 2:33:33 PM PST by rightwingreligiousfanatic
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To: Incorrigible
"Hmmm. Why don't we just run some medical experiments on these Jews here. After all, they're not people. It will help medical science and we can all benefit. God won't think I'm a bad guy."

These embroyos are not alive, they are not in a woman's uterus. They are in frozen storage and will/would be discarded.
Would you disagree to adults donating their loved one's organs to save others as well?
17 posted on 12/23/2002 2:34:32 PM PST by Pintobean
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To: Pintobean
"I tell them that it's more important that God help those to whom he's already given life," Quigley says. Joan Quigley is a Democratic assemblywoman from Hudson County.

I sure God appreciates having this woman manage His affairs for Him.

18 posted on 12/23/2002 2:44:25 PM PST by Onelifetogive
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To: Dinsdale
What is the moral problem with this?

The problem is more of a slippery slope problem than the immediate case being made.

As stem cells become more useful, the demand for stem cells will also increase.  Thus, we first let the embryos grow further in order to harvest more.  However, since growth can only occur so far in a petri dish, the "term implantation" will occur so that the growth can be harvested for stem cells and other parts as well.

Most Monty Python references are crass and yours is no exception.  Instead, I suggest:

A Modest Proposal

19 posted on 12/23/2002 2:48:40 PM PST by Incorrigible
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To: Long Cut; APBaer
Now, let the flames, full of horrid namecalling and strawmen, begin! Let the insane comparisons to the Nazis start! It only places those who use such "arguments" in the same corral with those Leftists that they CLAIM to despise, yet whose emotion-laced tactics they seem to just LOVE.
And it's so much fun too! :-)
20 posted on 12/23/2002 2:50:54 PM PST by Incorrigible
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