Hmmm. Why don't we just run some medical experiments on these Jews here. After all, they're not people. It will help medical science and we can all benefit. God won't think I'm a bad guy.
It has been proven that adult stem cells are the answer, not embryonic ones. They continually die off but the adult stem cells don't. It's another deception.
We will see if the pro-life freepers want to add something here.
"Hmmm. Why don't we just run some medical experiments on these Jews here. After all, they're not people. It will help medical science and we can all benefit. God won't think I'm a bad guy."
These embroyos are not alive, they are not in a woman's uterus. They are in frozen storage and will/would be discarded.
Would you disagree to adults donating their loved one's organs to save others as well?
Maybe they ought to put the stem cells in his eyes. He might grow a new head. Or a new brain!
In my humble opinion, I doubt we'll be hearing much of this controversy in 5, 10 years time. It's important to note that NOT ONE verified, beneficial treatment has of yet been derived from stem cell technology. It's all so theoretical, nay, so speculative at this point that there is an equally good chance nothing medically worthwhile will ever come of it.
This has happened before: about 10 years ago the medical research that was going to cure all manner of things was "fetal tissue". It was going to cure Parkinson's. It was going to cure cancer.
Sound familiar? Both fetal tissue then and stem cells now are being played up way WAY beyond their merit for the same two reasons:
1) Medical researchers need grants, so they make big promises, and
2) Pro-abortionists need ammunition to make people think they have some moral standing (i.e., that person's against reproductive cloning...he WANTS to keep you from a cure from your disease.)
Those who place all their hope in this life alone seem destined to become the lowest of barbarians. Animals in trousers, they make themselves less human than the embryonic humans they wish to cannabilize for their benefit.
The spirit of Dracula lives in the black hearts of these people. Superficially sophisticated and polished, they are animals without conscience on the inside- just like Dracula.
They wish to sell their souls for the false hope that this sort of ghoulishness will give them life. They will trade their souls away on a false hope, and be left without hope in this life or the next.
Such beings cannot be reasoned with, they can only be pitied and oppossed.
It all depends whether you think that an embryo becomes fully human at the instant of fertilization or not. Based on the moral track record of religion over the past few years, I would rather leave this question to science than to faith. And based on the moral track record of politics over as mnay years as I can remember, I would definitely not wnat to leave this question to politicians.
This hits close to home for me. I have a terminal disease and might possibly be cured some day with stem cells.
I go on record right now: I will REFUSE treatment if that treatment came from an unborn child. That's how strongly I stand by my principles. I'd rather die than live with that knowledge.
So, create, harvest then kill a baby for his parts so some guy who lived a full life can see again? Not if I can help it. And with Type II diabetes, which, in many cases, is 100% controllable and reversable with diet and exercise, this man need not to have been blinded.
And what they also don't tell you is when they put these totipotent cells in your body, they can grow skin and bone, I don't think that mixes well in your eyes and brain!
There are plenty of stem cells available in adult humans and umblilical cord blood to do any research and treatment with stem cells.
http://www.freerepublic.com/forum/a3b3fd0b84dba.htm
http://www.freerepublic.com/forum/a3b35554f0a72.htm
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/fr/760453/posts
http://www.gene-watch.org/
http://www.stemcellresearch.org/
http://www.usccb.org/prolife/issues/bioethic/stemfax1.htm
http://www.usccb.org/prolife/issues/bioethic/stemfax2.htm
http://www.usccb.org/prolife/issues/bioethic/stemfax3.htm
http://www.usccb.org/prolife/issues/bioethic/stemfax4.htm
http://www.nccbuscc.org/comm/archives/2001/01-142.htm
Source: Wall St. Journal; December 3, 2002
Research Shows Fetal Cells From Abortions Don't Help Parkinson's
Washington, DC -- A second study of transplanted fetal cells obtained from abortions has failed to show a therapeutic benefit in Parkinson's disease patients and produced serious side effects in some patients, the Wall Street Journal reports. The findings are "a blow" to researchers who had thought that transplants of brain tissue from aborted babies could stop the effects of the disease.
For the study, which involved 34 participants, Mount Sinai School of Medicine and University of South Florida researchers infused brain tissue from up to eight aborted babies, ranging from six to nine weeks old, into 23 patients with Parkinson's disease.
Brain scans of the participants indicated that the transplanted cells functioned "normally," but researchers were unable to "find any measurable improvement on tests of motor and other skills," according to the report.
In addition, the "most severe setback" was side effects that included uncontrolled limb movement in 13 patients. Three patients experienced such severe side effects that they required additional surgeries to control them.
The study -- the second of two federally funded studies to examine if embryonic stem cells can repair brain tissue in Parkinson's patients -- could lead to a "winding down" for future fetal-cell transplants. Anthony Lang, a Parkinson's expert at Toronto Western Hospital in Canada, said, "This is a surprising result that forces reconsideration of transplantation without a great deal more research."
The study could also have implications for embryonic stem cell research, which has recently "upstaged both politically and scientifically" research using fetal cells from abortions. Some researchers consider stem cells "more versatile" than fetal cells.
President Bush in August 2001 prohibited federal funding for any new embryonic stem cell research. Research using fetal cells from abortions, however, is covered by a separate rule established in 1993 under former President Clinton.
Fetal Cell Study a Bust
By David Brody, Washington, D.C., correspondent
SUMMARY: A federally funded medical study shows
conclusively that fetal cells taken from abortions do not
benefit Parkinson's patients. As a matter of fact, many of
them experienced serious side effects.
For years, liberal scientists had thought taking cells from
aborted fetuses would be a cure-all for adults that have
debilitating diseases. But a study from the University of
Florida shows that's not the case at all. Researchers
infused brain tissue from up to eight aborted babies into
Parkinson's patients. Not only did the treatments not
help the patients, but 13 of them suffered uncontrollable
limb movement. Three of them needed additional
surgery to fix the problem.
Richard Doerflinger, a spokesman for the National
Conference of Catholic Bishops, says it's a case of "I
told you so."
"This is what the pro-life movement was saying 10 years
ago -- that this was not so promising, that is was morally
problematic," Doerflinger said. "It looks, once again, as
though we were right. I don't imagine anyone's going to
thank us for that."
Two years ago, another federally funded study showed
the same type of results. So, the question really is: Why
doesn't this type of research end once and for all? Tom
Lothamer, executive director of Baptists for Life, has a
theory.
"It is satanic to me. That's really the bottom line,"
Lothamer said. "It doesn't make sense why they
continue to have to keep trying to go down this road
when ... they're finding negative results."
Some might hope that these negative results using
aborted fetal tissue might also give researchers pause
before plunging further into the area of stem cells
derived from human embryos. However, Doerflinger
doubts that will happen and, in fact, he envisions a far
worse scenario.
"The reaction that some people are having to this latest
study is that, 'Oh, the fetal tissue doesn't work so we
must renew our efforts to go even further down the
ethical sink by going more and more into embryonic
stem cell research,' " he said.
In addition to being unethical, Doerflinger noted such
research would be scientifically irresponsible because, in
the past, when cells from an embryo were placed into
animals, the animals got tumors.