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NYC's Bar Business: Up In Smoke?
tobacco.org ^ | 23 December 2002

Posted on 12/24/2002 12:54:10 AM PST by SheLion

As a manager of a Manhattan bar, I can easily point out the dramatic drop in business which will occur when the ban commences. Not only is my bar going to lose business, but how about the extra security that I'm going to be forced to hire to control people outside of my establishment when they go outside to smoke? Or what about the noise complaints I'll receive due to drunken smokers chatting outside at 3 a.m.?

Almost every day, I read a letter written by a smoker who has a problem with the smoking ban... Have any of these letter-writers been to California, where a similar smoking ban is in place? 

Is the city going to hire smoking police to enforce the no-smoking rule, or are businesses going to make believe nothing ever happened and continue to offer smoking sections like they always have?


TOPICS: Activism/Chapters; Culture/Society; Government; US: New York
KEYWORDS: antismokers; bans; butts; cigarettes; individualliberty; niconazis; prohibitionists; pufflist; smokingbans; taxes; tobacco
New York City:


1 posted on 12/24/2002 12:54:10 AM PST by SheLion
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To: *puff_list; Just another Joe; Great Dane; Max McGarrity; Tumbleweed_Connection; Madame Dufarge; ...

2 posted on 12/24/2002 12:54:47 AM PST by SheLion
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To: SheLion
Dontcha just love that social engineering? Bloomingidiot shuts down the city's businesses and creates a whole new criminal class in one boneheaded move. Not bad.
3 posted on 12/24/2002 1:03:35 AM PST by Bonaparte
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To: Bonaparte
Dontcha just love that social engineering? Bloomingidiot shuts down the city's businesses and creates a whole new criminal class in one boneheaded move. Not bad.

Why Rudy ever endorsed this idiot is beyond me!

4 posted on 12/24/2002 1:14:37 AM PST by SheLion
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To: SheLion
Obviously, Bloomberg was a mistake...

the only defense is, Mark Green would have ben worse!!

In the mean time...

take a virtual tour of NYC!!!

Link to tour!!

5 posted on 12/24/2002 1:26:24 AM PST by Nitro
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To: Nitro
take a virtual tour of NYC!!!

Thanks for the link, Nitro!


6 posted on 12/24/2002 1:32:12 AM PST by SheLion
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To: SheLion
You are entirely welcome...

as a Brooklyn boy I always looked at the "city" as another place...

that was my date stragety, just walk around, till something happened!!

7 posted on 12/24/2002 1:35:28 AM PST by Nitro
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To: Bonaparte
Bloomingidiot shuts down the city's businesses and creates a whole new criminal class in one boneheaded move.

Once you come to grips with the situation and resign yourself to the fact you are indeed an outlaw, all the guilt disappears. It won't be long until we see TV ads explaining just how cigarette smokers are pandering to terrorist, still it will be good to come home from the bar and not have to leave my clothes outside from the smoke stench.

8 posted on 12/24/2002 4:03:57 AM PST by TightSqueeze
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To: SheLion
Another great job done by the voters of New York.
9 posted on 12/24/2002 4:06:15 AM PST by chiefqc
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To: chiefqc
Another great job done by the voters of New York.

Well, Rudy endorsed BloomingIdiot, and it was the New Year's right after 9-11. Rudy was a shining God, and the voters thought "well, if BloomingIdiot was good enough for Rudy, he HAD to be good for New York!" ~sigh

BloomingIdiot was an Independent who switched over to Republican in order to run. Little did the New Yorkers know that the man is a power hungry controlling nazi.

Too late NOW! Pity!


10 posted on 12/24/2002 4:12:25 AM PST by SheLion
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To: TightSqueeze
"... it will be good to come home from the bar..."

What bar? Certainly not one of those driven into extinction by your friends, the tobacco nazis. There is, however, a bright side -- when the social engineers who run your town decide that the inconvenience of public drunkenness calls for further Draconian restrictions on the remaining drinking establishments, the people who have to sit next to you on the subway won't have to put up with the smell of stale spirits. Won't that be nice?

11 posted on 12/24/2002 12:30:30 PM PST by Bonaparte
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To: Bonaparte
What bar? Certainly not one of those driven into extinction by your friends, the tobacco nazis.

They are BTW not my friends, but I would venture to say that non-smokers are beginning to out number smokers even in bars.

There is, however, a bright side -- when the social engineers who run your town decide that the inconvenience of public drunkenness calls for further Draconian restrictions on the remaining drinking establishments, the people who have to sit next to you on the subway won't have to put up with the smell of stale spirits.

In sunny Florida we don't ride no stinkin' subways, we in fact have a long standing tradition of drinking and driving, don't you know.

12 posted on 12/24/2002 1:39:03 PM PST by TightSqueeze
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TightSqueeze [said in response to an article specifically related to a New York City anti-smoking ordinance]: "...still it will be good to come home from the bar and not have to leave my clothes outside from the smoke stench."

Your wording here clearly implies that you will benefit from the New York City anti-smoking ordinance. Had you said that others, ie. New Yorkers, would not "have to leave their clothes outside" I would not have assumed, as I quite logically did, that you reside in New York. I trust you see my point here. Anyway, I'm heartened to know that you don't have to live in that hell-hole of a town. :-)

"...but I would venture to say that non-smokers are beginning to out number smokers even in bars."

And therefore, being the majority, are free to dictate to an unpopular minority? Are free to override the wishes of the proprietor himself, who will no longer have the right to permit the use of a legal product in his own establishment?

What you don't seem to realize is that having government ban smoking from bars altogether is neither the best nor the only option here. If operating a non-smoking tavern would generate more traffic and more profit, doesn't it make sense that more of these would already exist? You see, if such bars were more in evidence, there would then be places for tobacco lovers to go, places for tobacco haters to go and places also for those who don't care one way or another. But I have to notice that very few businessmen have bothered to open non-smoking bars. Where they do exist, they are almost always the result of government coercion.

13 posted on 12/24/2002 3:01:33 PM PST by Bonaparte
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