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Newt: My GOP Wish List
Wall Street Journal ^ | dec 26, 2002 | NEWT GINGRICH

Posted on 12/26/2002 3:54:28 AM PST by The Raven

Edited on 04/22/2004 11:47:46 PM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

There have been three great Republican victories in my lifetime. In 1980, a campaign centered on strengthening defense, cutting taxes and renewing faith in American civic culture produced a landslide for Ronald Reagan. In 1994, the Contract with America with its ideas of reforming welfare and balancing the budget produced a 53-seat gain in the House that gave Republicans control for the first time in 40 years. The outcome of the midterm elections this year brought the third great triumph. But the work is far from done: Follow-through on five major issues now will determine whether the recent election gains translate into a real mandate for the GOP in 2004.


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My wish list would

- eliminate taxing of income. - privatize SS - fight pollution by moving a substantial amount of taxes to fossile fuels (affecting the price of carbon fuels but not affecting the citizen outlays or government revenues) - eliminate the educatiuon monopoly (alas - a State issue) - and last but not least - export liberals.

1 posted on 12/26/2002 3:54:28 AM PST by The Raven
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To: The Raven
Your last wish should be first. LOL!
3 posted on 12/26/2002 4:19:38 AM PST by maxter
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To: The Raven
I would add work on cutting the cost of water desalination as fresh water is getting to be a critical issue in many parts of the USA...not to mention around the world
4 posted on 12/26/2002 4:38:41 AM PST by ckilmer
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To: Vulcan Bullshrimp
So what you're saying is that none of the ideas expressed in the Gingrich article have a shred of validity? He committed crimes such as proposing a political approach that took control of the US House away from the democrats in the face of the gentle America loving honest Clinton's wishes otherwise. They haven't gotten it back since. He committed crimes such as espousing term limits, and they haven't happened. In fact a lot of voters that have rethought their position on term limits are criminals too? The stuff he, and others espoused in the 90's didn't happen instantaneously so therefore its all a failure. Given that, you're right. Let's just fold up our tents and never ever again enter the arena of ideas again. Let's just let the democrats have it all. They know best.
5 posted on 12/26/2002 4:41:37 AM PST by RushLake
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To: The Raven
Nice first steps from gingrich,

Doesn't go far enough, in theory....

Will never happen, in practice.


The gop leadership does indeed have the opportunity to take bold action which could lead our nation back to common sense, ethical and financial liberty.

Sadly, I doubt that they have any interest.

I hope I'm wrong, but I fear I am not.
7 posted on 12/26/2002 5:09:51 AM PST by WhiteGuy
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To: Vulcan Bullshrimp
"Here is a little history that maybe you didn't learn about, did you know that the entire Contract With America came nearly word for word out of one of Perot's books?"

Name the book...quote the chapter...pages...words. I also assume that you know the Contract With America word for word...otherwise, how else would you know it was a copy?

Facts please...that's the way it's done here on FR.

8 posted on 12/26/2002 5:28:01 AM PST by NewLand
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To: Vulcan Bullshrimp
"Gingrich and his cohorts betrayed us, period."

Exactly who is us?

9 posted on 12/26/2002 5:30:18 AM PST by NewLand
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To: The Raven
Shouldn't that be DEPORT liberals?


MARK A SITY
http://www.logic101.net/
10 posted on 12/26/2002 5:41:17 AM PST by logic101.net
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What about the most important one: Reinstate the second amendment.
12 posted on 12/26/2002 5:59:04 AM PST by RandallFlagg
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To: Vulcan Bullshrimp
Perhaps you should at least read the Contract before commenting. You can find it here

Note the phrase "we shall bring to the House Floor the following bills". If you have trouble understanding the wording, get back to me.

14 posted on 12/26/2002 6:37:26 AM PST by Aegedius
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To: Vulcan Bullshrimp
I read your other link posted on the other thread that had nothing to do with this topic. So I have read both links you posted, and cannot find anything that supports your statement that The Contract With America was an exact copy of something published by Perot prior to 1994.

-The statements on the Perot website were all from 1996.
-The statements from the CNN interview in 1996 were not supported by any specific facts, only Perot claiming to take credit for it.

Should we waste everyone's time on picking apart all the "absolutes" in all of Perot's claims over the years?

I suggest that you re-read the Contract With America @:
www.house.gov/house/Contract/CONTRACT.html.

At best there are some similarities, but in no way could it be positioned of an exact copy of something you have yet to produce in exact wording, published prior to 1994.

If anything, it would be easy to say that Newt Gingrich was proposing many or all of these ideas in The Contract since he was elected to Congress (in my Congressional District) in 1978!

Last, as far as my mind being controlled by the propagandists, I will quote you from one of your earlier posts as my response:

"You don't know me, or anything about me or my political views."

Hope you had a Merry Christmas.

15 posted on 12/26/2002 6:43:28 AM PST by NewLand
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To: Vulcan Bullshrimp
"...the minute that the Republicans took over, they stated, "Hey, we only promised to hold votes on these issues, we didn't promise to work to pass them."

Who is this so called quote attributed to?

When and where was it stated, or is your mind just playing rhetorical tricks on you?

19 posted on 12/26/2002 6:51:41 AM PST by NewLand
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To: The Raven
And let's add these:

Securing the borders: bring our troops home from places like Bosnia (where they don't belong) and South Korea (where they're not wanted), and stem the invasion of illegal immigrants that's destroying the fabric of our nation

Put an end to "political correctness" in all its poisonous incarnations: end affirmative action, stop using the military for social experimentation, end "multiculturism" in education and make English the national language

"Go to China" on one of the most pernicious abuses of federal power: end the so-called "War on Drugs" that has corrupted LEOs and turned our nation into the world's biggest jailer, all for the sake of the utopian fantasy of a "drug-free America"

21 posted on 12/26/2002 6:54:37 AM PST by bassmaner
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To: Vulcan Bullshrimp
The contract was published before the election. It contained the same language that it contains today. The Republicans said, specifically, in the contract, and verbally, and for everyone to hear, that they would bring these bills to the floor for a vote. If you thought that they were promising to liquidate enough Democrats in the Senate to make the balanced budget amendment pass (with a 2/3 majority), then you were, are, and probably always will be, sadly mistaken.
22 posted on 12/26/2002 6:58:11 AM PST by Aegedius
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To: Vulcan Bullshrimp
"...people usually get their feelings hurt, I wish it weren't so"

You have your wish. My feelings are not hurt. Reply as you like.

"...and hope that we can learn from each other"

That is a two-way proposition. So, I have posted facts that hopefully you have learned a little bit from. As for me, everything is a learning experience, and I have learned something about you (much good).

"...and not just make each other angry."

I am not angry. Just passionate.

"God's Grace, Peace, and Blessings to you and yours."

Ditto.

23 posted on 12/26/2002 6:58:23 AM PST by NewLand
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To: Vulcan Bullshrimp
"Ok, I admit it, I paraphrased the comment"

Forgiven. But, you have to realize that this is an official tactic of The Left and is despised by those opposed to them.

"...but it sure is accurate in it's assessment, isn't it?"

NO

24 posted on 12/26/2002 7:03:54 AM PST by NewLand
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To: Vulcan Bullshrimp
Those were promises, promises to enact a Balanced Budget Amendment, amoung other things. Remember?

They promised no such thing. The CWA promised to free several pieces of bottled legislation for a vote that had illegitimately been denied them...not that they would have enough support to pass. ...Though in fact most of it did pass, in some cases despite filibusters, and with unanimous or near-unanimous support.

25 posted on 12/26/2002 7:04:06 AM PST by lepton
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To: lepton
In support of your accurate statement, here are the exact words from CWA:

Thereafter, within the first 100 days of the 104th Congress, we shall bring to the House Floor the following bills, each to be given full and open debate, each to be given a clear and fair vote and each to be immediately available this day for public inspection and scrutiny.

1. THE FISCAL RESPONSIBILITY ACT: A balanced budget/tax limitation amendment and a legislative line-item veto to restore fiscal responsibility to an out- of-control Congress, requiring them to live under the same budget constraints as families and businesses.

26 posted on 12/26/2002 7:20:42 AM PST by NewLand
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To: The Raven
Bookmarked for future reference. Thank you for the post.
27 posted on 12/26/2002 7:33:18 AM PST by harpu
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Vulcan Bullshrimp signed up 2002-12-20.

Y'all know what a 'disrupter' is, don't ya.

You might want to think about your arguments with this fool before wasting the forum's bandwidth.

29 posted on 12/26/2002 7:38:36 AM PST by harpu
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To: harpu
Thanks Harpu. I always check on new names and was aware of that.

However, I don't necessarily agree on the response/bandwidth issue. My opinion is the best way to chase away the disrupters is to grind them off the forum with facts. It always catches up with them, and usually sooner than later, they "go to the beach" or drop off or whatever excuse not to continue the debate.

Of course there are varying degrees of disrupters. In this case, I felt that VBS has some level of sincerity in his beliefs, albeit they are naive and emotional. You are right that some disrupters deserve the 'Prizzi's Honor' treatment...

The Prizzi's get nothing!

30 posted on 12/26/2002 7:47:17 AM PST by NewLand
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To: harpu
"You might want to think about your arguments with this fool before wasting the forum's bandwidth."

One more thought. There are many lurkers on FR who are here to learn about truths that are not discussed in the national media outlets. We have a responsibility to help educate them and bring them out of darkness. Leaving unsubstantiated statements without rebuke will not help win more people away from "The Middle".

As for The Left, there is no hope. Do not cast pearls before swine.

31 posted on 12/26/2002 8:02:18 AM PST by NewLand
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To: Vulcan Bullshrimp
Freakin' WHA!!

There were NO "Promises to enact" anything!

There was a promise to bring all 10 items up for a vote. Which the Speaker DID! I guess you have a problem with him keeping his word?

Of course, it was the over-reaching on behalf of harpies like you that gave us DemocRAT gains in the off-year election of 1998.

32 posted on 12/26/2002 11:11:02 AM PST by Johnny Shear
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To: The Raven
My wish list: Newt back as Speaker of the House.
33 posted on 12/26/2002 11:12:50 AM PST by Macklew
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To: Vulcan Bullshrimp
You are absolutely correct, the minute that the Republicans took over, they stated, "Hey, we only promised to hold votes on these issues, we didn't promise to work to pass them." The ink wasn't even dry on the Contract. I call that betrayal, I don't know what you might call it.

Sorry, I have to disagree with you. You do realize that if they didn't put that caveat into the contract (and I read the contract when it came out) that the Democrats would have had a field day. Saying you promised and see you couldn't deliver.

Everything in the contract was delivered. Can you imagine the Democrats doing the same thing? No way. Term Limits was blocked in the courts, but it did work with a lot of state legislatures and it did put a lot of congressmen on notice. Balancing the Budget was stopped by the Democrats (as you know they really don't like this idea). Cutting taxes met the same fate back then.

It just took a while longer than some of us expected. Don't go trying to give the Democrats any ammunition, we need every bullet for the Al Quida in Iraq.

34 posted on 12/26/2002 12:13:29 PM PST by sr4402
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To: NewLand
I recall one particular measure where the Dems filibustered in the Senate for three days, then voted unanimously for it. When the Republican leadership chided them for it afterwards, the Democrat leadership noted that Republicans filibuster too. Dole responded: "Yes, but we never filibustered anything we supported."
35 posted on 12/27/2002 7:20:44 AM PST by lepton
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Note that Vulcan BS has not returned from the beach yet... nor will he...once again, the truth scares away another disrupter...until he re-surfaces (again) under a new name. This guy has been around for a while under many names before 12/20/2002.

I love the fact that these dodos think they are fooling us! Ha!

36 posted on 12/27/2002 10:57:44 AM PST by NewLand
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To: Vulcan Bullshrimp
"My family and I are off to the beach, I won't be able to respond to your posts until I get back."

Still waiting...

37 posted on 12/28/2002 6:00:49 AM PST by NewLand
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To: Vulcan Bullshrimp
Ideas? Those were promises, promises to enact a Balanced Budget Amendment, amoung other things. Remember?

Oh and how about the Term Limits promise? Betrayed again, weren't we?

Remember? How soon we forget.

The Contract With America was a sole sponsorship by the Republicans running for the House.

In it, they promised that, if elected to a majority, they would bring all of the items in the contract to a vote on the House floor.

The newly elected Republican House was true to its word. Every single item was brought to the floor for a vote, up or down. Every one of them passed, save one -- the aforementioned term limits.

Many of the reforms promised were not achieved because the Senate failed to act or they were vetoed by the First Felon -- Bill Clinton.

But be advised that Newt Gingrich and the GOP House kept their promise. Give them their just due.

42 posted on 12/28/2002 5:54:30 PM PST by okie01
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To: Vulcan Bullshrimp
"The people who thought they could "trash" the Perot voters and not pay a price."

And, so, we arrive at the source of your bitterness.

Like you, probably, I voted for Perot in '92. And I'm happy to say I got over it.

43 posted on 12/28/2002 6:03:42 PM PST by okie01
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To: Vulcan Bullshrimp
Perot and his misguided voters gave us two terms of the Felon and are not relevant to modern conservative political discourse, nor are you. Go away, disruptor!
44 posted on 12/28/2002 6:06:45 PM PST by Paulus Invictus
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To: Vulcan Bullshrimp
"We sent a wonderful woman back to DC in 1994 by the name of Linda Smith.

Smith is a solid conservative. And she was undermined and betrayed by Gingrich and his cronies when she came up for re-election. Why did they do it?

Maybe we should ask Gingrich's ex-wife how trustworthy he is, and how well he keeps his promises?

Thoroughly legitimate concerns.

But your swipe at Newt for the Contract With America was totally without foundation.

If you've got a bone to pick with a man, get after him for what he did wrong; not what he did right.

46 posted on 12/28/2002 6:13:02 PM PST by okie01
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