Actually, I think liberty is and democracy is the governmental component of that.
Listen f, my problem is that I simply don't understand your posts. You seem to speak in tongues or some such, and I just don't get it. I give you a little "what for" sometimes on these threads but basically it's all to let you know you're not getting through. Why not try a different tack and present your thesis in a way others can comprehend and engage you on?
Dakmar...
I took a few minutes to decipher that post, and I must say I agree with a lot of what you said.
fC...
These were the Classical liberals...founding fathers-PRINCIPLES---stable/SANE scientific reality/society---industrial progress...moral/social character-values(private/personal) GROWTH(limited NON-intrusive PC Govt/religion---schools)!
Dakmar...
Where you and I diverge is on the Evolution/Communism thing. You seem to view Darwin and evolution as the beginning of the end for enlighted, moral civilization, while I think Marx, class struggle, and the "dictatorship of the proletariat" are the true dangers.
God bless you, I think we both have a common enemy in the BRAVE-NWO.
452 posted on 9/7/02 8:54 PM Pacific by Dakmar