Statue of Abe Lincoln: "...a slap in the face of a lot of brave men..."

The Cincinnati Enquirer ^ | Friday, December 27, 2002 | AP

[Cogadh na Sith]

That is the problem. People from all over the country coming to the town I live in, just to stir up $h!+, then go back home and leave the mess.

I'm sorry it was to Richmond that Lincoln came, but he did....

[wideawake]

You'd think Abraham Lincoln would get more support on a conservative website like FR, wouldn't you?

Well, that's the thing, WP.

I'm a conservative, and I support allowing black people to vote and serve on juries.

I also oppose tariffs and protectionism of any kind.

Additionally, I believe aggressive public works projects - I'm sorry, "internal improvements" - are a huge drain on taxpayers and are essentially a tactic to expand the size and scope of government intrusion in daily life.

I also believe that the best way to settle disputes among Americans is through negotiation and the ballot box, not Waco-style federal bulldozing.

So it really doesn't surprise me, as a conservative, that Lincoln is not worshipped as a secular god here on FR.

[laotzu]

"And these hillbillys..."

Why would anyone not listen to a reasoned, intellect that begins like this? The appeal to logic is unavoidable.

[putupon]

why the need to constantly remind themselves of it?

In order to furthur the leftists agenda of divide and conquer by causing issues that should have been laid to rest years ago and bear no relevance in today's world to continue to divide. This a great one for them, too. Look at all the Lincolnites who are conservative and would normally be for smaller government, being duped into jumping on the leftist, big government, force-it-down-their-throats, band wagon.

[Cogadh na Sith]

Doesn't work: they are still different nationalities.

It is your choice to join the rest of the nation with grace and dignity as your forebearers did, or harbor some weird successionist fervor instead.

[laotzu]

"to furthur the leftists agenda of divide and conquer...the Lincolnites who are conservative and would normally be for smaller government, being duped into jumping on the leftist..band wagon"

Beautifully said. My compliments.

[WhiskeyPapa]

Interesting. This could be the first documented example a politician adjusting the variables of an equation to achieve the desired results. Fuzzy math, to borrow a term from our modern day internet inventor.

The thing to do is show DeBow's data to be wrong. Can you do that, or is carping about it your limit?

Walt

[wideawake]

Only so long as you try to argue against the historical reality and delegitimize the capitulation that your ancestors accepted with grace and dignity.

No member of my family ever lived south of the Mason-Dixon line until my cousins moved to Baltimore in 1979. I have two ancestors who were directly involved in the Civil War and they both fought for the Union - which is why I'm a member of the Sons of Union Veterans.

This is not outcome-based history to improve your self-esteem.

My self-esteem is intact. I don't need to build a chest-beating statue in Richmond to remind myself that my great-great-grandfather marched with Grant.

Old Town Albuquerque still has on display the Texas cannons captured at the Battle of Glorietta Pass.

Great. Richmond has the Confederate White House on display that was captured during the Virginia Campaign. Unless the statue of Lincoln in question was present during the military action I don't see any good reason to display it.

[Cinnamon Girl]

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[Intimidator]

I'm southern and who cares, get over it. It happened 140 years ago, its time to 'let it go'.

[Johnny Shear]

OK...Is this better...

Redneck Idiots. Inbred Morons. Backward-ass Country F##ks.

Like those descriptions better?

Ps...I live in a rural area...I have all my life, and I love it. Most of my friends would be considered "Hillbillys". They're great people...Salt of the earth. I use the term "Hillbilly" to describe us as a term of endearment. But I also use it to describe the clowns who are upset about this statue of a GREAT man and leader.

Deal with that fact.

[laotzu]

"...or is carping about it your limit?"

Your getting closer.

I'm thinking just three more insults will make the logic of your argument clear for many of us. It's hard to dismiss the clarity, and appeal of insult.

[Doomonyou]

Richmond, home to towering statues of Confederacy figures including Robert E. Lee, Stonewall Jackson and J.E.B. Stuart, was abandoned after Union forces led by Gen. Ulysses S. Grant attacked on April 2, 1965.

1965? You kinda figure Grant would have retired by then.

[Let's Roll]

LOL

[dogbyte12]

Irrelevant. He must be crucified. He was a REPUBLICAN.

With all the anti Lincoln, Pro Jeff Davis... pro strom, anti Thomas Dewey folks here,... one would think this was a democratic site.

I just love these so called republicans, who believe that the party was basically formed as a criminal blasphemy.

The Republican Party stomped those ratty rats led by the chief rat Jefferson Davis but good, as one freeper would say.

I am curious as to when exactly these folks believe that the republicans found their way. Lincoln was bad... Strom was better than Dewey.... was Goldwater the first republican these folks liked?

[wideawake]

Doesn't work: they are still different nationalities.

Funny - they were all Franks years before that.

I wonder how they became two peoples? I wonder if the hypothetical situation I presented above would hinder them as they try to become one nation again?

It is your choice to join the rest of the nation with grace and dignity as your forebearers did, or harbor some weird successionist fervor instead.

I don't harbor any fervor to succeed anyone - nor do I harbor any fervor for New York State to secede from the Union.

Lincoln himself opposed rubbing the South's nose in its military failure. It seems odd to use his memory to do just that.

[logic101.net]

Maybe a National Hero, but a true foe of a little document called THE CONSTITUTION OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA! Our founders, who wrote that document were rebels; they kicked the King out of our land for overstepping his authority. All the south wanted was to live within the bounds of the Constitution. Under the Constitution, the Feds were the servant; now they are the Master.

All this thanks to Lincoln! Honest Abe my but! Let's try Socialist Abe!


MARK A SITY
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[putupon]

weird successionist fervor

What fervor? All we want is the rest of you busybodys to leave us alone. There are no slaves here. Virginia is the only state to ever elect a black govenor. The City of Richmond is run by blacks. We have a DimRAT yankee carpetbagger from Conneticutt for a govenor now. State employees get off for Martin Luther King Day. You want a statue of Lincoln? Put one up in your own yard.

[laotzu]

"Redneck Idiots. Inbred Morons. Backward-ass Country F##ks"

All the intellectual strengths of a liberal. Perhaps reminding my neighbor that I want to starve their children would help as well. May I also suggest rhyming. As we all know, if it rhymes it must be true.

Your logic, and vocabulary are indeed inspirational.

[henderson field]

Well that's exactly it, isn't it: putting a statue of Lincoln in downtown Richmond, Virginia is intended to provoke people. It's the same as putting up a statue of a hand with the middle finger extended. In fact, that would probably be less expensive and more cost-efficient - perhaps that should be considered. At least it would be more honest.