Iraqi Aftershocks: Being on the wrong side of history won’t be pretty

National Review ^ | December 27, 2002 | Victor Davis Hanson

[Dan Cooper]

So if a newly constituted Iraq emerges as a sane state, America will have no desire or need to protect Mr. Mubarak, King Hussein, or the Saudi royals from the wave of popular uprisings that we ourselves helped to let loose in Iraq. Their only long-term salvation, then, is right now to begin democratic reforms, open up their media, and hope for our forbearance.

The popular resistance to these regimes are all Islamist. Democratic reforms will lead to the election of anti-west Islamic parties. Iraq as the most secular Arab state may have a chance of surviving as a democratic republic, but the other states are going to vote themselves into Sharia law and religious dictatorship.

[Uncle Miltie]

"but the other states are going to vote themselves into Sharia law and religious dictatorship."

True, and so we give them an ascendant democratic Iraq to model. After 5-10 years of being left in the dust by Arabs who vote, we can take up some more cases.

[Peter Libra]

You have it right. Chamberlain was essentially a gentleman. Yes, he trusted Hitler. Funny thing, well not so funny, he almost brought off " Peace in our time" .

It is hard indeed to try to put the man in perspective. What must be said and should be said against those who denigrate Chamberlain is this. The non-aggression pact with Stalin in July 1939, absolutely and completely gave Hitler the go ahead. He attacked Poland in September 1939.

Again, it was Chamberlain who actually declared war on Germany within 24 hours of his rejected ultimatum.

Well there is still a lesson. GWB must not trust a lying thug. Look what history and the pundits have done to Chamberlain as an example.

[Dane]

Dane never makes a non idiotic statement. Hes an admitted ex druggie who now advocates the war on drugs. Ill be slightly nicer to him when he reports for sentencing for being a druggie back in the day.

Whew the insults come out from the shadow Harry Browne(Libertarian Presidential candidate in 96 and 2000, who days after 9/11 stated that 9/11 was America's fault) contingent on FR.

Oh well what else could expect from people who probably voted for Harry Browne, (the canididate who pined for the days where any 8 year old could go into any pharmacy and get heroin, no questionas asked), but won't admit now.

[RobRoy]

"President Clinton's lip-biting and apologies rendered caricature redundant."

What a great line!

[DeFault User]

[middle eastern states] like former Eastern European Communist hacks, are likely to become the flotsam and jetsam in a tidal wave of change.

Change is certain, but I wish could be as optimistic as Hansen.

On the other hand, if we don't act now, it will only get worse.

[MeekOneGOP]

Iraqi Aftershocks: Being on the wrong
side of history won’t be pretty

Excerpt:

Thus it would be wise for Europeans to get out ahead of the curve, and be resolute in supporting the removal of Saddam Hussein, before they, like the Arab "moderates," become increasingly irrelevant. The real story is not one of anti-Americanism — itself old and boring — but of a new anti-Europeanism prevalent here. Personally I would not worry too much about the anger of a spent France or schizophrenic Germany, but would about an aroused United States — not merely because of its power, but because exasperated Americans have a longer memory. How strange that increasingly Russians, Indians, and eastern Europeans — not our more natural allies, Frenchmen or Germans — are now more popular with us.

Indeed, for all the grand idealism of Kyoto, Durban, and the ICC, Americans accept that in the past western Europeans would have cold-heartedly sold out Taiwan, Israel, or South Korea in any major confrontation in which democracy and sacrifice on the one side were pitted against autocracy, profit, and appeasement on the other. So Iraq is not merely a referendum on European-American relations, but rather a litmus test of the moral status of Europe itself, and of what side of history it wishes to be on. Let us hope it awakens from its ethical coma to take its rightful place at the vanguard of the war against barbarity.

The American left has missed yet another train as it was leaving. Currently it is reeling from an array of staggering developments that in the post-Cold War era threaten to leave it as discredited as segregationist Republicans were during the civil-rights movement. Anti-Semitism is suddenly more commonly a phenomenon of the academic Left than of the old, white, Neanderthal Right. Multiculturalism and cultural equivalence have been refuted by the ghoulish nature of the Taliban; the more the world learns about the "alternative" universe of Saddam Hussein and kindred Middle Eastern regimes, the more it shudders in horror.

Censorship, catcalls at lectures, and the stealing of newspapers are not Mr. Ashcroft's doing but now also a hallmark of the campus Left — mostly ignored by timid college presidents. Amnesty International and the United Nations mollify rather than oppose odious regimes. Pacifism does not work in a world where the World Trade Center is incinerated. The hysterics of a Chomsky, Vidal, Mailer, or Said — never really refuted by the more responsible Left — were proved harebrained by the rapidity and economy of the American victory and the benevolent nature of the Karzai government in Afghanistan.

Exaggerating the collateral damage from the most precise weapons in military history, inflating by magnitudes of ten and more civilian casualties, spreading ad hoc conspiracy theories about pipelines, oil, and Texas corporations, raising doomsday scenarios of global anti-Americanism and nuclear hysteria in the Middle East — all that is about the extent and quality of the current anti-war exegesis, itself mostly discredited by its previous and completely wrong predictions concerning Afghanistan.

So in the few days that are left, in the calm before the storm, the Left should scramble to reclaim its moral currency by condemning our enemies and disassociating itself from appeasement. If it does not, the 2004 elections may well resemble 1972 or 1980 in their lopsidedness. The shrillness of Kerry more and more resembles a 1972 McGovern or 1980 Carter.

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[aculeus]

Will it? Ask the Liberal Magic Eight-Ball...

A keeper!

[MeekOneGOP]

Thanks for the post and ping. Good article....

[Oldeconomybuyer]

...Thus it would be wise for Europeans to get out ahead of the curve, and be resolute in supporting the removal of Saddam Hussein...

Don't hold your breath. The SocioEuro's lack [male anatomy].

[MeekOneGOP]

Don't hold your breath. The SocioEuro's lack [male anatomy].

LOL ! Yep....

[livesbygrace]

bttt!!

[Wolfstar]

Fabulous piece of writing and insight. Thank you for posting it. The rabid hatred for our Dubya that I hear from the Left, and even from a scary minority on the perpetually disgruntled far Right fringe, makes me fear for the President's safety. I sure hope the Secret Service is taking every possible precaution, and then some. Because, as the Left continues its slide not only into irrelevance, but into the bright light of truth, it's hatred will only grow. The sewage that was the Clinton administration led inexorably to 9/11, to Hussein's belief that he can bluff us once again, to North Korea's belief that we will fall for its blackmail, and to myriad other problems. Someday that truth will be fully exposed for all to see. The Left will do everything it possibly can to prevent that day from coming.

[NoControllingLegalAuthority]

unassimilated Muslim populations

These are the three words which summarize the threat to the world. There is no history of the peaceful assimiliation of Muslims into a non-Muslim society. There is violence and bloodshed wherever these people have moved in numbers.

[aculeus]

If you don't like the answers from the liberal eight ball just Ask the Iman.

(Iman, what is the punishment to be meted out to an infidel who encourages so-called "freeping" of our blessed site?)

[NoControllingLegalAuthority]

Well said. The flaw preventing any expansion of freedom and the rights of individuals in Arab countries is the inherently violent dogma of Islamic law. To those people, ANYTHING secular, including civil government, is without substance and meaningless in the shadow of their religion.

[dighton]

Straining at Gnats and Swallowing Camels:

the us claimed that the al qaida hijackers had a book that said they should shave off their beards ,is this allowed in jihad

It is not permissible to shave off the beard at any time including Jihaad. A Mujaahid may only dye his head beard black to make himself look young to his enemy.

and Allah Ta'ala Knows Best

Mufti Ebrahim Desai

[Go Gordon]

True, and so we give them an ascendant democratic Iraq to model. After 5-10 years of being left in the dust by Arabs who vote, we can take up some more cases.

I don't think it will take Iran that long. Their youngins' are dying for democracy and western culture.

[SandfleaCSC]