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$3000 Plasma TV? SO What. Read this..
1stfreedom

Posted on 12/28/2002 3:43:51 PM PST by 1stFreedom

Build your own projector instead.

1. Use high quality svga lcd monitor (Rated for video) 2. Purchase a used overhead projector (3m makes good ones). 3. Modify the projector to use a XENON or MH bulb. 4. Go to www.diyaudio.com for examples and instructions.(look under the forums for video, and you should find several lcd projector threads.)

Remember those overhead lcd panels? Well, this is essentially what you are creating, except now the LCD's are high quality and resolution. Several places sell NSTC to VGA adapters. Fix up your projection system and you'll end up spending $600 for a system that will cost you AT least $1000 more (lcd projector).

On another note, build your own audiophile quality amplifier. Check out the Passlab forums for more info or go to www.passlabs.com and click on the DIY link..

I'm going to build my own home theater. I'm building six 100w audiphile monoblock amps (Aleph 2). If you tried to buy such an amp it would cost you $3000 each. I'll build em for about $400 each.

I also buy my speakers used. I have a $1600 pair of Thiel speakers I picked up for $40 at a garage sale. I'm looking for two more pairs of the same and a decent center channel speaker. All together, the speakers will cost me $1000 (including an excellent subwoofer).

Thrown in a DTS 6.1 preamp for $2k (brand new, too new to make it yourself), the home made lcd projector, and the total cost is around $6k for what would cost one about $32k. (giant screen tv, 6 awesome speakers, six monoblock amps, awesome preamp. All I need is a popcorn machine!)

6k? Pretty darn good. A plasma TV can cost $6k alone and still won't come close to this quality. Your Bose stereo can't come close to the sound of the monoblock amps and Theil speakers. Come on folks. Break out the Soldering irons!


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1 posted on 12/28/2002 3:43:51 PM PST by 1stFreedom
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To: 1stFreedom
and it's gonna look terrific, all duct-taped together!

look, i admire your spirit, and i'm not nearly as techno-adept as thou, but let me tell you something: only TODAY i checked out home-theater systems and plasma screens at my nearest Sim-city extended-endless mall (Robinson Township, PA, outside of Pittsburgh, which demonstrated to me that the Democrats were lying about our economic woes, because every time I go there there's a traffic jam, everybody's driving a $30-40K vehicle, there's no parking available, and the stores are too crowded ((I've said to wife, If the economy ever comes roaring back, I'll never come here again, because I can't stand THESE crowds...))

Like I said, only today, I was checking these things out. I can get a wonderful HDTV-ready TV AND a great home theater system for under $7000. If I skip the HDTV and just go plasma, I can drop that by almost $2000, all in. And it's all warranted and nicely integrated. These are mix and matches from Costco, Circuit City, Best Buy.

Now, maybe they won't be as great as what you can solder together using only 100-200 hours of your spare time, but it will look great, work as soon as I plug it in, and, like I said, be under warranty.

If your inner nerd needs to tinker, I respect that. But for the average guy...just give me a credit card and an oversized shopping cart, please, and can I borrow that pimply monkey to pretend he's helping me lift it onto the back of the truck?

Now, I have two things to say, and I really, really mean them: If you fire back with all the technological ways in which your system would be superior to what I can buy off the shelf, it will be totally wasted on a guy like me. Totally. The other thing is, even though I was snarkey in places, I admire guys like you.

Just don't tell me your way of watching THE PATRIOT is cheaper than mine.

Good luck.
2 posted on 12/28/2002 3:59:49 PM PST by John Robertson
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To: John Robertson
bttt
3 posted on 12/28/2002 4:14:12 PM PST by prognostigaator
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To: prognostigaator
The Poor Man's Guide To A Rich Man's Home Theater - Without The Megacoup Bucks.
4 posted on 12/28/2002 4:16:11 PM PST by goldstategop
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To: 1stFreedom
I don't quite get how the video part of this system idea works. Can you elaborate or point me to a webpage?
5 posted on 12/28/2002 4:16:50 PM PST by krb
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To: John Robertson
Just don't tell me your way of watching THE PATRIOT is cheaper than mine.

Please tell me your talking about the Mel Gibson movie and not the one with Stevan Seagul.

6 posted on 12/28/2002 4:24:35 PM PST by gilor
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To: John Robertson
LOL! I know Robinson center WELL TOO WELL! For the life of me, and growing up in a small town near Pittsburgh (Crafton) in the '50's I can't see the attraction to RTC.

See, we USED to have local town centers. Crafton had a couple of dozen mom and pop stores PLUS an A&P, a Ben Franklin, and so on RIGHT IN THE CENTER OF TOWN!

In the late 50's the Crafton-Ingram shopping center was built and that stole business from the traditional town center.

Still, the shopping center wasn't all that bad either even though there were stores like WT Grant (later KMART) and several franchise national chains. At least they employed and were patronized by locals.

What ticked me off was when KMART killed the store in the Crafton Ingram shopping center in favor of a Super K, and folks like my Wife couldn't wait to drive miles (Robinson) to the new store.

A little known and little cared about fact is that the KMart in C-I shopping center was until the very end the most profitable KMart nationwide. I was there on an almost daily basis but have only gone to the super K once or twice.

But you are absolutley correct about Robinson Town Center! I can't believe the crowds! Where do people get the money? I was lost for an entire afternoon in the Dicks once!

And as you say everyone, (except for me in my old '94 Plymouth mini van) is driving an expensive SUV!

prisoner6

7 posted on 12/28/2002 4:32:31 PM PST by prisoner6
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To: John Robertson
...and can I borrow that pimply monkey to pretend he's helping me lift it onto the back of the truck? ...

LOL. Oh, G_D, that has to be a quote-of-the-day...

Been there, done that.

8 posted on 12/28/2002 4:40:22 PM PST by patton
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To: 1stFreedom
Nope! I'm going to wait until Kodak produces their new high brilliance screen in larger sizes. I have seen the small ones and they make plasma and LCD screens look dark and dreary. Even in bright sunlight, Kodak's screens still are very bright.
9 posted on 12/28/2002 4:42:37 PM PST by Paulus Invictus
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To: John Robertson
the Democrats were lying about our economic woes, because every time I go there there's a traffic jam, everybody's driving a $30-40K vehicle, there's no parking available, and the stores are too crowded

It's a Republican put-up job. You should realize that. Sit outside long enough and you'll see the same SUV with the same "happy" family driving past every 30 minutes or so. They're alal on the Democrat payroll.

10 posted on 12/28/2002 4:50:11 PM PST by Tennessee_Bob
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To: gilor
Please tell me your talking about the Mel Gibson movie and not the one with Stevan Seagul.

You mean Mel Gibson copied Steven's movie?

What a ripoff artist...

11 posted on 12/28/2002 4:54:12 PM PST by Tennessee_Bob
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To: prisoner6
Where do people get the money?

2(or 3) incomes and alot of plastic is all I can think of...producing latch-key kids who evolve into the future sociopaths of America...

Once you've bought one of the dang things, then there's the insurance and gas...boggles the mind.
12 posted on 12/28/2002 4:54:22 PM PST by visualops
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To: John Robertson; martin_fierro
which demonstrated to me that the Democrats were lying about our economic woes, because every time I go there there's a traffic jam, everybody's driving a $30-40K vehicle, there's no parking available, and the stores are too crowded ((I've said to wife, If the economy ever comes roaring back, I'll never come here again, because I can't stand THESE crowds...))

Nuh-uh!! Yinz are fulla Old Frothingslosh if yinz think the 'Burgh is bustling.

13 posted on 12/28/2002 4:54:59 PM PST by Willie Green
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To: John Robertson; All
Good luck carrying that 60" rear projection unit to a repair depot for warranty service. Meanwhile, if something goes wrong with my ceiling mounted pr

For a great technical resource on things audio-visual, go to the Audio Visual Science Forum.

http://www.avsforum.com
14 posted on 12/28/2002 5:01:57 PM PST by FreedomPoster
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To: Tennessee_Bob
Steve Segal has a movie called 'The Patriot' also. It's a lame tale(even by segals standards)of malitia gun nuts with a virus and an axe to grind with the gubmint.
15 posted on 12/28/2002 5:03:51 PM PST by gilor
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To: FreedomPoster
Oops -

Meanwhile, if something goes wrong with my ceiling mounted projector, I disconnect two cables and 3 screws and haul it in a laptop bag.
16 posted on 12/28/2002 5:05:05 PM PST by FreedomPoster
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To: 1stFreedom
Bump
17 posted on 12/28/2002 5:06:56 PM PST by Fiddlstix
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To: FreedomPoster
Good luck carrying that 60" rear projection unit to a repair depot for warranty service.

Yeah, I know what you mean. When my Toshiba super-tube went out, I actually had to go and open the front door so the repair guys could come and take it out of the house to the repair facility.

18 posted on 12/28/2002 5:12:56 PM PST by Tennessee_Bob
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To: 1stFreedom
I have a $1600 pair of Thiel speakers I picked up for $40 at a garage sale.

Do you live in Aspen? :)

If you run across a pair of JSE 2.0s or a Belles 400 could you give me a ping? (I suppose it's too much to hope for a TNT Turntable or a pair of Crown Macro References.)

19 posted on 12/28/2002 5:19:02 PM PST by kitchen
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To: 1stFreedom
Here's how it works.....Your wallet determines how much grief your going to put into your TV experience.

Me....I tap the remote and the plasma starts frolicking playfully encased in premolded hi-resin shoulder stands.

Semper Fi
20 posted on 12/28/2002 5:22:17 PM PST by JoeSixPack1
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To: John Robertson
>>and it's gonna look terrific, all duct-taped together!
Well, I'm also a cabinet maker. But those with lesser skills can simply make a crude box.

>>a great home theater system for under $7000. If I skip the HDTV and just go plasma, I can drop that by almost $2000, all in... And it's all warranted and nicely integrated. These are mix and matches from Costco, Circuit City, Best Buy.

Well, first of all. A majority of the Home Theater Systems (HTS) you buy there are consumer grade. I know, I have five stereo's. Two of them are HTS's that retailed for around $600 each (and one is a pioneer executive micro system that cost $600). First problem with all of them is that their speakers are VERY lacking. Secondly, with the exception of the Yamaha, they all color the music in one way or another (which is basically distortion :-( )

(In addition, I have a SACD player.)

If you listen to each of my stereo's from worst to best you can tell the difference between each one. Most of them use the subwoofer to make up for the rather lacking sound that comes from the speakers. Most of the systems "sound great" because they DISTORT the music/movie by relying on the subwoofer.

I had a pair of Klipsch reference speakers I bought at Circuit City and they were very good. However, in all of my buying experience, I can say that MOST systems sold in the places you mention are simply disposable consumer grade equipment. The average joe will be happy cause he hasn't heard better and beside the $99 cd boombox the sytems sound great. Some of the stuff is ok (Klipsch, Bose, Denon, etc) but still consumer grade and not near audiophile quality.

Trust me. When I hooked up the Theils I bought for $40 at a garage sale (retail for $1600 pair), I then proceeded to sell my Klipsch speakers on ebay. There was no comparison. Forget JBL, Infinity, Cerwin Vega, Bose, Klipsch, etc. They are just the high end of the low end.

>>Now, maybe they won't be as great as what you can solder together using only 100-200 hours of your spare time, but it will look great, work as soon as I plug it in, and, like I said, be under warranty.

Well, first of all, my speakers are used and look great. I plan on buying more used equipment.

Second of all, the amps I'll make will look like they were bought (brushed alumnium chasis, etc).

The only item that has zero WAF (wife acceptance factor) is the projector. Fortunately, I can make a nice cabinet that will make a very nice piece of equipment.

Finally, concerning warranties, most only cover up to one year. Think about this. If you are buying a $2000 stereo, do you really need to worry about a warranty? If so, why are you buying it? A well designed and well built amplifier will last 15-30 years easily, even if you DIY. If you are buying a piece of disposable equipment, then yes, worry about the warranty.

>>If your inner nerd needs to tinker, I respect that

No, not the inner nerd. The inner tightwad. LOL.

>>technological ways in which your system would be superior to what I can buy off the shelf, it will be totally wasted on a guy like me.

Nope. Not gonna do that. Once you get to audiophile grade equipment, it's all subjective. What you like is best for you. (Can't say that about my consumer grade systems. They are seriously lacking.)

>>Just don't tell me your way of watching THE PATRIOT is cheaper than mine.

Well, I'll have a giant wall size screen, a system so clean and clear you can hear the air of a drumstick before it hits the snares (even better then hearing the drumstick hit the snare!!), and a killer subwoofer that DOESN"T distort the music. Add 100W per channel (6 channels) and almost no distortion. My way isn't just cheaper than yours (remember, my way would cost you $30k +) just sounds way better and the video is awesome.

Trust me, unless you are buying $2-3k denon or Onkyo system, it's doen't come close. Go to a local B&W, Krell, or Thiel dealer and sit in a real HTS room and then go back to listen to a Pioneer, Yamaha, or whatever system, and you'll know what I'm talking about.

Finally, if doing it yourself is not for you, I suggest buying used. Let some filthy rich guy buy the equipment and carry the depreciation. Then buy it from him when he is upgrading. You can find used audiophile equipment at www.audiogon.com . Shop there, you'll get great bargains.

21 posted on 12/28/2002 5:54:50 PM PST by 1stFreedom
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To: goldstategop
Exactly. This same setup will cost some rich guy $30k+. Will only cost me $6k.

Not everybody will build a system. For that crowd, buying used is typically a very good deal. Check out www.audiogon.com -- they sell used audio/video equipment (audiophile quality).
22 posted on 12/28/2002 5:56:56 PM PST by 1stFreedom
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To: krb
LCD Projection TV If that doesn't work, just go to www.diyaudio.com, click on forum, then click on video forum, then search for DELL at the bottom of the screen. These guys just need to make a cabinet for their TV's and they'd be great!
23 posted on 12/28/2002 5:59:50 PM PST by 1stFreedom
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To: John Robertson
Robinson Township, PA, outside of Pittsburgh, which demonstrated to me that the Democrats were lying about our economic woes, because every time I go there there's a traffic jam, everybody's driving a $30-40K vehicle, there's no parking available, and the stores are too crowded

You are absolutely right. I blame it on the designers, though. The timing on the lights is awful. And stop signs in some places are just silly. I work across the hill and seldom venture there for lunch because it just isn't worth the hassle.

24 posted on 12/28/2002 6:02:35 PM PST by Glenn
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To: kitchen
If I come across them I'll let you know.

I'm looking for a good turntable myself. Found some kits for around $2k that let you make ones comparable to $10k turntables. That's a whole lot though. Might just settle for $1k turntable.
25 posted on 12/28/2002 6:02:44 PM PST by 1stFreedom
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To: JoeSixPack1
One other word about things.

Your plasma, which you paid $3k+, will not be worth near that in about three years. Depreciation on consumer electronics is amazing. If you folks out there have your heart set on plasma, I suggest waiting at least 3 more years. By then, they should be near $20 an inch. (Right now cheapest is $50+ an inch) Also, you can buy it used 3 years for now for a steep discount.

Finally, OLED will give plasma a run for it's money. It's like lcd that is sprayed on a surface -- paper, plastic, whatever. Theoretically, you could have wallpaper OLED panels -- your whole wall would be an LED. So, my advice is to let the rich guys tinker and wait till it's actually affordable. (Or, DIY!!)
26 posted on 12/28/2002 6:07:34 PM PST by 1stFreedom
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To: 1stFreedom
What about this thing. Is it a gimic?
27 posted on 12/28/2002 6:29:13 PM PST by krb
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To: 1stFreedom
I don't care what it's worth. If pure economics is your argument, you don't have a big enough wallet.


Thanks for the tips though.
28 posted on 12/28/2002 6:40:31 PM PST by JoeSixPack1
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To: Tennessee_Bob
Re#18

Hell, Sears Home Service will fix it in your house! my Toshiba went funky as well after a rather nasty surge...I have to admit, I was very skeptical about the Sears in home thing. This guy was AWESOME. Replacing on board chips, retuning the sucker in ways I never dreamt possible..Which made me happy, I was not looking forward to hauling the sucker up a flight of stairs to the garage...

Coolest part of all? Turns out he didn't have to replace the chips...The two chips were 120 bucks a piece. Sears waived the price for me and the "core" controller chips are now brand new and warranted.

29 posted on 12/28/2002 6:42:39 PM PST by Michael Barnes
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To: 1stFreedom
I suppose you're one of those who think you could have beaten Bob Carver in his bet with the high end technogeeks -- that he could make his $400 amplifier sound like any other amp on the market at any price.

As for your garage sale finds, I can only be jealous. I go every week and have found the works for several very good systems for a few hundred dollars total, but never anything really high end.

I have found a few ADS speakers that I resold on eBay for a good profit. And a non-working Carver preamp that I resold for 15 times the garage sale price.

31 posted on 12/28/2002 8:28:58 PM PST by js1138
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To: js1138
Carver is very good. If they put their amp plans on the net I'd consider making them. Passlabs has graciously put the plans to the Aleph line online.
32 posted on 12/28/2002 8:58:11 PM PST by 1stFreedom
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To: 1stFreedom
Carver stuff is also very cheap -- at least it was when Bob Carver was running the company. He made stuff at the $400 price point that sounded as good as the $30,000 technodweeb stuff. (or identical, if you wished). He even made a $400 transistor amp with a switch to make it sound exactly like a $10,000 tube competitor, and ran ads challenging anyone to tell the difference in a double blind test. No one ever beat him at his challenge.

One of the last great American engineers.

33 posted on 12/28/2002 9:05:37 PM PST by js1138
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To: 1stFreedom
Yesh... I can get me a big screen TV for free. Whenever I watch TV with my face 2 inches from the screen the screen seems at LEAST 72 inches wide. Maybe more. Don't know what the big screen ruckus is all about...
34 posted on 12/28/2002 9:33:51 PM PST by 69ConvertibleFirebird
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To: 1stFreedom
You're absolutely right about audiophile gear. And it can be gotten cheap & used if you look around. ProAc, McCormack, SACD players........
it makes mall electronics sound like ca-ca.
35 posted on 12/28/2002 9:47:34 PM PST by satire
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To: 69ConvertibleFirebird
I play DVDs on my 19" Hitachi professional monitor (and yes, sometimes I put my face really close). I have a nice leather chair that kicks back, and a real sound system (Carver amp, Marantz components, KEF speakers) - not those 5 piece PC speaker pieces of crap. I could never justify spending what some are spending on home theater, because I'm perfectly happy with what I have. For now....
36 posted on 12/28/2002 9:55:35 PM PST by July 4th
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To: 1stFreedom
Let me know when you get it all set up. I'll bring the popcorn.
37 posted on 12/28/2002 10:17:18 PM PST by slimer
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To: 1stFreedom
save for reference
38 posted on 12/29/2002 5:02:33 AM PST by marvlus
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To: js1138
Yea. Rotel and NAD are also very good and on the low end of the price ranges.

Some of the pricey stuff isn't really all that much better than low end audiphile stuff. It seems to me it's all about catering to people with ooodles of money. I know one gentleman who has two Pass X600 amps at $16k a piece, and some $50k speakers. I'm sure they sound great, but I don't think it's the same difference between consumer hifi and audiophile gear.

39 posted on 12/29/2002 8:11:34 AM PST by 1stFreedom
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To: 1stFreedom
Wilson Audio, Mark Levinsen.
40 posted on 12/29/2002 10:44:11 AM PST by RIGHT IN SEATTLE
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To: 1stFreedom
Interesting project.. will bookmark

The audio thing is wasted on me though. either I have such a tin ear that I can't appreciate the difference in quality or everyone else is just gadget crazy when it comes to stereo equipment.

41 posted on 12/29/2002 10:52:08 AM PST by Jhoffa_
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To: John Robertson

You've been watching too much of the Red - Green show.

42 posted on 12/29/2002 10:53:24 AM PST by Jhoffa_
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To: 1stFreedom
" All I need is a popcorn machine!)"

What no popcorn machine, whatta piece of junk. Haha just kidding.

Sounds like a heck of a system.

43 posted on 12/29/2002 11:02:38 AM PST by Mikey
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To: 1stFreedom
I'm looking for a good turntable myself. Found some kits for around $2k that let you make ones comparable to $10k turntables. That's a whole lot though. Might just settle for $1k turntable.

Was it Les Paul, who used a 1950s vintage Cadalac flywheel on his studio turntable? It may have taken a week to get up to speed but I'll bet it was smooth.

44 posted on 12/29/2002 9:21:56 PM PST by Colorado Doug
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To: John Robertson
my idea is to get two 36" tv`s side by side,that will do fine to begin with.
45 posted on 12/30/2002 12:40:24 PM PST by green team 1999
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To: 1stFreedom
I'd be real interested in the brightness and contrast, since these are my main gripes about digital projection. The best lcd screen I've seen has 600:1 contrast, just barely satisfactory for movie watching. The Sharp LCD TVs have 800:1, I believe.

I think the laws of Physics dictate that brightness and contrast will be diluted when the image is projected and enlarged. Have you measured your system with a photometer?

46 posted on 12/30/2002 12:51:25 PM PST by js1138
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To: John Robertson
Just don't tell me your way of watching THE PATRIOT is cheaper than mine.

Is that the same movie as PATRIOT GAMES? OOps, hope I didn't buy the wrong DVD movie.

47 posted on 12/30/2002 9:45:15 PM PST by Gracey
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46 posted on 12/30/2002 12:51 PM PST by js1138

47 posted on 12/30/2002 9:45 PM PST by Gracey

How can this be???? What's wrong with the FReeper clock?
48 posted on 12/30/2002 9:51:12 PM PST by Gracey
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I've had too much soda pop. sorry
49 posted on 12/30/2002 9:52:37 PM PST by Gracey
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To: Gracey
not the same movie. PATRIOT GAMES, based on the Tom Clancy thriller. THE PATRIOT...good Revolutionary War movie starring Mel Gibson. And as others have pointed out here, there's a Steven Seagall stinker of the same title out there somewhere.
50 posted on 12/31/2002 2:58:45 AM PST by John Robertson
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