HOMEOWNER BUSTED AFTER SHOOTING BURGLAR

New York Post ^ | 12/30/02 | JOE McGURK and WILLIAM J. GORTA

[kattracks]

Fired four shots at intruder.

December 29, 2002 -- A Long Island homeowner blasted a would-be burglar with a .22-caliber pistol as the thug climbed through a window yesterday - and later said he has no regrets, although he was arrested.

[TheErnFormerlyKnownAsBig]

I've got his defense all ready for him.

The Principle of Competing Harms.

It's already got a felon No-billed (in Milwaukee?) this year for firearm possession when he stopped a rape in progress.

[NordP]

..."The homeowner should have tried to take control of him with escalating force, first a warning, then empty hand techniques, then an impact weapon. If all that didn't work then I could see shooting."

Yeeee-ah, I can just see you going through this checklist yourself in a panic situation...your heart's pounding, it's dark, you're scared, and you fear for your life...sure -- sounds good though!

[VermiciousKnid]

I know, that's what I thought too, but then WABC radio reported that the guy was from Manhattan. It's almost 7 pm now, and I still don't know where this guy is from! LOL

Also, the NY Post states that the man is "a homeowner," which probably means he's from the Long Island Inwood.

My money's on it being the Nassau County law that's stupid in this case.

Regards,

[VermiciousKnid]

No, you're thinking of the right hospital...though a ride straight up Rockaway Boulevard in a siren-wailing ambulance might get him to Jamaica Hospital faster than NCMC, which is probably geographically closer, but the roads to it have a whole lotta traffic lights on them.

Regards,

[gitmo]

Looks like he made several mistakes:
1. He shouldn't have used a .22
2. He shouldn't have called 911.
3. He shouldn't have registered the rifles.
4. He shouldn't have told reporters he's now unarmed. Unless, of course, he isn't.

[wtc911]

In Nassau county the only prohibitions against hand gun permit are convicted felon, non-citizen, restraining order in place, history of mental problems. If you do not fall into these categories then the county must issue your permit. The process is long and a nuisance but it is the law here, like it or not. And, if you choose to live here then follow it. The homeowner will not be convicted but he will go through the mill. A fifty dollar fee, a few references and a six week wait a few years ago and this shooting would be kosher top to bottom.

[VermiciousKnid]

The way I understand it, a citizen can get a home or business permit, or a range permit with relatively little problem. However, a carry permit is another animal altogether, and the citizen must "show cause" in order to be accepted.

I don't know anyone who is not a LEO who is legally allowed to carry a weapon on Long Island, though because so many NYC, Nassau and Suffolk police actually LIVE here (including my husband), there are lots of people who pack on a regular basis. I wish hubby were here so I could ask him for sure about the carry law.

Regards,

[rodeocowboy]

That's correct. In Livonia, MI, a wealthy suburb of Detroit, two armed thugs broke into a jewler's home and killed him, his visiting mother, and his three children, after he unloaded his safe of pounds of diamonds and gold. The police couldn't be there to protect the family. They could only be there to write the report and track down the scum who did it.

[Lancey Howard]

I dunno.... If I was unfortunate enough to have to live in New York and I had to shoot somebody, I sure wouldn't go calling the cops. I mean, this burglar ran away - - what was the point of calling the cops?

And even if you have a body to get rid of, you can always just roll it up in a tarp and dump it somewhere. But no matter what, don't call the cops unless you are positive somebody saw you who can rat you out. This is where a "throw down" comes in handy.

[Man of the Right]

For any crime more serious than speeding, cops are crime reporters, not crime fighters.

If a community has the will, the criminal justice system can perform a service by taking criminals off the street.

Unfortunately, that doesn't do their victims any good. If we make it until morning, it will be because most people don't commit crimes and for those who do, there is Mr. Smith and Mr. Wesson.

[Man of the Right]

For any crime more serious than speeding, cops are crime reporters, not crime fighters.

If a community has the will, the criminal justice system can perform a service by taking criminals off the street.

Unfortunately, that doesn't do their victims any good. If we make it until morning, it will be because most people don't commit crimes and for those who do, there is Mr. Smith and Mr. Wesson.

[Man of the Right]

Some say a good host should be prepared to provide his guest anything he desires. Those same people say the perp's corpse should be no exception. Presumably nobody's going to enter a home without an unregistered firearm in hand. So nobody's going to be surprised if the perp is found with one.

[rodeocowboy]

You are a nut!

Some person comes crashing through your window, you are saying that you should put yourself in his reach and try to beat him up. But, in the event he is kicking your ass, you call a "time-out" and go grab a bat. In the event he pulls his own gun, you yell, "don't shoot!" In your fairy tale world, he would then wait for you to go get your gun and, then-and only then, have a fair fire-fight with you.

You are a cop?! I would then assume that you have some criminal justice background? You sound more like a high school drop out with no common sense then a professional law enforcement officer. I am sure glad that you don't serve on the local force in my area.

[Man of the Right]

Personally, I wouldn't live in New York. If one has to live in New York and needs a gun, and isn't penniless, some say one should inquire about the appropriate denomination greenback to attach to the permit ap and attach same. Unless one maintains New York public officials are incorruptible.

[Man of the Right]

On Long Island some say a homeowner could bag the perp's corpse and put him out with the rest of the trash. Perhaps with the following note: "Not a Wise Guy (from your crime family)."

[Man of the Right]

On Long Island some say a homeowner could bag the perp's corpse and put him out with the rest of the trash. Perhaps with the following note: "Not a Wise Guy (from your crime family)."

[Man of the Right]

On Long Island some say a homeowner could bag the perp's corpse and put him out with the rest of the trash. Perhaps with the following note: "Not a Wise Guy (from your crime family)."

[Man of the Right]

Because his weapon lacked stopping power or he handn't passed an NRA-approved firearms course.

[Abundy]

Never, ever forget your "/sarcasm" tag...

all the knee-jerk police haters who The Onion is a real news source end up frothing at the mouth....and the point you are trying to make to them about monday-morning QB'ing police officers (without having walked a mile in their shoes) is lost on them since they can't get their minds around the idea that not all cops are knuckle-dragging, donut eating fascists and that they, not the police, might bear a little personal responsibility for their lot in life.