POLICE BATTLE BALKAN LINK: BRITISH detectives are to be posted in Albania to fight gangs

Sunday People, UK ^ | 28 Dec 2002 | Sunday People

[Destro]

28 Dec 2002

POLICE BATTLE BALKAN LINK

BRITISH detectives are to be posted in Albania to fight gangs of ruthless Eastern European criminals here.

They will liaise with police in Balkan states to get intelligence on hit men, pimps and drugs barons who are rapidly taking control of rackets in Britain.

The move comes a month after warnings that Albanian gangs were trafficking heroin and people into the UK.

Scotland Yard estimates they control 75 per cent of prostitutes in London's Soho. A senior officer said: "We really don't know who the main players are."

[Destro]

A senior officer said: "We really don't know who the main players are."

Hey Limeys, ask the Serbs.

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[Destro]

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[Dragonfly]

The move comes a month after warnings that Albanian gangs were trafficking heroin and people into the UK.

LOL!

[bob808]

What, British officers are invading Albania to oppress and deprive Albanians of their rights???

This would not stand if Clinton were in office, he would have NATO bombing Britain, like he bombed Serbia, by now...

[F-117A]

Bump so you can keep up on your people.

[ABrit]

I didn't know that Greeks call the English limeys. Why do you pretend to be American, when your sympathies are communist and you are anti American?

[ABrit]

We get all the best criminals here, Mafia, Triad, Russian, Yardie, Maltese; they all have a go, and they all lose.

Funny, we don't get Yugoslav criminals here, they don't need to steal money here, they already stole it in Yugoslavia.

[Destro]

Dang, I can hear your Albanian accent in your typing. Did you pray towards Mecca for guidance from Allah before you came up with that line against me? Being a young bloke myself, I will live to see the day the Muslim Albanians are made to pay for their barbarity which can not come soon enough. As for that socialist Labourite scum Tony Blair whom you support, Blair's defeat I am sure to be in a small way a result of the anger raised against Albanian rape gangs running in the streets of Britain.

[OriginalHeyduke]

Well Torie, what do you think about this?
Do you consider that the 11-year-old should be submitted to this? ( How repulsive this is, 11-year-old... )
Is there some collective guilt that should be applied upon this?
Are your beloved Albanians still flawless?

[Torie]

Are your beloved Albanians still flawless?

That is a tendentious, false, and silly remark. I have never posted anything that remotely suggests I hold those views.

[OriginalHeyduke]

Given your views upon guilt concerning the Balkan wars, it is now going to be really interesting to see how the newly introduced Albanian community will blend in into British society.
Mind you, Albanians behave exactly the same in every country they move to.
Them raping 11- and 12-year-olds happens wherever they are in Europe.


That is a tendentious, false, and silly remark. I have never posted anything that remotely suggests I hold those views.

I contest your statement, because it's been your views in general, that Serbs were the bad guys and Albanians innocent victims. Convince yourself by watching your own replies.
By your standards, Serbian police couldn't conduct their policing in Kosovo, without being oppressive and punitive against poor, unarmed, innocent, muslim "Kosovar" "civilians". Besides that you fail to even closely touch other asked issues. How do you find it that British police have to be placed in Balkans in order to stop rampant crime in UK, commited by those in which the humanitarian war was in favor of? What do you think of S.A.S training Albanians thugs? Those are the roaming hit men in UK right now, enforcing their stake in the vice.

[OriginalHeyduke]

ABrit or A-(brit)
If memory serves me right you were having a discussion about origin once.
You were also referring to Adam and Eve, rather naïve actually.


We get all the best criminals here, Mafia, Triad, Russian, Yardie, Maltese; they all have a go, and they all lose.

Funny, we don't get Yugoslav criminals here, they don't need to steal money here, they already stole it in Yugoslavia

Constituting the very elite of criminals, trained by S.A.S, there won't be room for anyone else but the Albanians.
BTW the breakaway republics not only sponsored their secession conspicuously, but also are now hubs and links for various criminal activities that are directed towards the rest of Europe.

[EaglesUpForever]

Bill Clinton's buddies... Bet he's smoking a fat cigar with his Albanian drug dealing friends at how well they've prospered since their "Victory."

The Yugoslav fiasco was the farthest astray that American policy has ever been: Clinton (and many "Republican" supporters of Clinton policy) led us straight into 9/11 by diving into that conflict head first on the wrong side, while ignoring our Saudi "friends."

For all the media hype that Clinton was "intelligent", he sure behaved like a crackhead with an IQ of 70, in terms of the policies actually implemented during the time he disgraced the office of President. I guess all of his brilliance was devoted to squirming his way out the very small percentage of his lies that he was actually held accountable for.

Clinton's political legacy: 9/11.
Clinton's intellectual legacy, "that would depend on what the definition of 'is' is."

[ABrit]

"If memory serves me right you were having a discussion about origin once."

"You were also referring to Adam and Eve, rather naïve actually."

I was offering an analogue for the fact that we are all descended from the same genetic source. Sorry you didn't get it.

The SAS allegedly trained the Taliban, and we all know what good fighters they made (I'm joking about that, in case you don't get it.)

Any training by the SAS, is likely to be restricted to the SAS "lite" variety. You don't think the SAS would train potential adversaries to be as good as themselves do you?

The SAS are good, not just because of the training, but because of the selection process. Only a handful out of hundreds (mainly paras, and commandos, themselves the result of rigorous selection), pass the selection course. Those that do are very unusual in terms of phsychological make up, determination, endurance, and fighting spirit.

The SAS are not designed to perform heavy duty military tasks, they are small in number, and their strength lies in deception, and cunning. However, during the Gulf War a four man SAS squad was described as having the strike power of a regular battalion. Although, to be fair, it was an Iraqi battalion that said that.

[OriginalHeyduke]

I was offering an analogue for the fact that we are all descended from the same genetic source. Sorry you didn't get it.

Apparently I didn't. You could always post the link, it was a while ago and I was just reading through briefly...

The SAS allegedly trained the Taliban, and we all know what good fighters they made (I'm joking about that, in case you don't get it.)

After 9/11 you can be sure that I don't get that. Interesting though, is the connections between S.A.S and various groups of so called islamic freedomfighters. ( You must refer to how fast the Talibans were put down; I promise you I really got that one. Quite amusing. )

Any training by the SAS, is likely to be restricted to the SAS "lite" variety. You don't think the SAS would train potential adversaries to be as good as themselves do you?

No and why should they? Far from all, but an extremely small fraction the riff raff Albanians, could probably put up with that kind of sustained training. But that's really not the point. Why train people of that kind, when their criminal background is widely known? What's really the purpose of that? Their adversaries will only consist of ordinary people in the end. The received training however, seems to be sufficient enough, to make them effectively take over crime business in several European counties. Drugs, Prostitution and human trafficking i.e. illegal immigration etc, are well-known sources of income for these criminals. I also think that some ex-Sigurimi guys work in the Albanian crime out fits.

SHBA: Masa të reja sigurimi për avionët

BBC Albanian

Well, citizens in UK will now have the benefit and enjoyment of them rampaging there.
After all, I don't live there. To bad that 11-year-olds have to suffer due to policy errors.

[ABrit]

They were trained to defeat the Russians in Afghanistan, which they did. Some would say that was the final nail in the Soviet coffin. A price well worth paying.

Regarding the long term consequences, it is a bit like chaos theory. A butterfly flaps its wings over the Himalayas and in the long term a storm results over Peru, or who knows where.

To say that Albanian criminality in the UK is a direct result of SAS training, 15 odd years ago, in Afghanistan is a bit of a stretch.

[OriginalHeyduke]

How about that thread!
Tell me ABrit, why won't you post it?
You're taking things concerning some matters way to personal, being just a "Brit". What grudge do hold? What's the catch here? I would really like to see what I "didn't get", why don't you illuminate me? Like I didn't know.

Mujaheedin fought the Soviets, whereas the Talebans got hold of power on a much later stage. They were sponsored and backed by Saudi Arabia and Pakistan among others.

When I was wondering why persons with a well-known criminal background and obscure connections would be backed, I was of course referring to the Albanians. That should be clear from the text, but assuming so seemed however to be an overestimate.
I was actually thinking more in terms of the real purposes, like if they were doing someone's dirty work. But I guess discussing that would've been too much asked.

Considering the long-term consequences, it seems rather like they are on the shorter time scale. The effect of terrorism funded by organized crime, is in itself very visible or should at least be legible to most by now.
When the Police keep losing ground due to lesser organization efficiency and intel, terrorist linked crime syndicates gets the upper hand and we have all seen to what that leads to.
It appears however that most people holding important positions don't overlook the present threat created, notably by some specifically known groups.

S.A.S has trained KLA and NLA i.e. potential terrorists. But being honest here so has MPRI and also DynCorp. BTW, you don't have to be able to run a marathon, in order to hit soft targets in a very lethal way, Anyhow all the steps lead to the mosque, even those of the ethnic Albanians. Someone who's been a Yugoslav conscript then received MPRI training and onto that S.A.S training, would be a rather able and capable hit man, wouldn't you agree?
However though, I really don't know how you could get it that I meant "SAS training, 15 odd years ago, in Afghanistan", that must be twisted even by your standards, didn't you at all read my post? Are you hearing voices in your head? You got it really awkward. I was of course referring to Kosovo and in some extent to Bosnia, if needed be pointed out and emphasized. The only thing, which was interesting, is that potential terrorist were receiving knowledge and military training in a way, which could be used for terrorism. It is still interesting that Britain's ablest soldiers are in connection with various islamic freedom fighters.
You don't really seem to get much do you?

Since I'm not into endlessly discussing the matters concerned, I will now provide some links, which probably should be a bit more specific. This of course in difference of you, as you even failed to provide a single thread. Rather weak.

I guess you will enjoy yourselves with your newly introduced friends, they sure know how to behave. They've been gang raping girls of under age in every country they moved to, if they weren't kept busy by conducting a shooting spree somewhere. Your assurances appear to be quite hollow.
Bon Chance.

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[ABrit]

"Hi Vooch

The SAS regiment is the smallest in the British Army it is no where as big as the American equiv units, but if SAS men were everywhere that the media reports them to be they would be the size of a division.

If we did train some KLA, and I wont believe it on the basis of a reporter for a news paper or the internet which allows lies and rumours to fly around the world faster than I can hit the can after a dodgy curry, I need better proof, but if we did train them, that will not make them the equal of the SAS or even an American SF unit.

Indecently during the troubles some ex American SF chaps trained a squad of IRA men. This IRA unit was wiped out in its first action against the SAS.

Cheers Tony

http://www.freerepublic.com/forum/a3ac0e18a1c2e.htm

[ABrit]

Where is yourr evidence that the SAS trained the KLA?

[Lion's Cub]

When Blair decided to lay down with the dogs, he apparently brought home some fleas :)