[judicial meanz]

It only took about 4 hours to do this legal research. I made my calls today to get it looked at with my state representative. Good luck FReepers!

[judicial meanz]

Forgot to mention in the article-

State Defense Forces are also exempt from Posse Comitatus. They could do full law enforcement duties. Thats good to know.

Federal Troops on Title 10 missions are subject to the Posse Comitatus. They couldnt do it.

[Cindy]

IMMIGRATION ISSUES American Patrol.com The Stein ReportCenter for Immigration Studies Numbers USA California Coalition for Immigration Reform Colorado Alliance for Immigration Reform CensusScope.org "Immigrants, Not Americans, Must Adapt"

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[4Freedom]

Here's a thread on this very topic from all the way back in 9/12/1999.

The problem was never that everyone believed that the governors of the border states couldn't take steps to secure their own borders with Mexico, it's that those same governors refused to.

Some believed that the governors from the border states were hesitant to do this, because it would lead to a confrontation with the federal government, or they were afraid of being called racists. Yada, yada, yada.

We all know that's not true, beyond a shadow of a doubt, now.

A former, Republican, border state governor is the sitting President of The United States. The Congress is in the control of the Republicans and still not a damn thing is being done to secure our borders.

If anything, our border security is being deliberately undermined further.

Posse Comitatus and The Law

The governors of the border states are being elected by the same tidal wave of illegal immigrants that we'd be asking them to stop. The same governors that just returned from a meeting with Mexican state governors, where they discussed ways to open our borders further, are the ones we'd be petitioning to stop this madness. Fat chance of that, anymore.

The governors of the border states are hopelessly, pro-open borders, pro-illegal immigration, one (3rd) worlder, Liberal, Democrats or RINOs. That's why the newly legal and fraudulently voting illegal aliens elected them.

Look who was just elected governor of Arizona. Name one border state governor that won't resist the efforts of their concerned citizens to have their National Guard sent to the borders.

IMHO, the only reason the governors of the border states would voluntarily send their respective National Guard troops to the borders for would be to arrest or kill the courageous members of the citizens patrols and ranchers that have come together to resist the hoards of illegal immigrants that are pouring over our borders, daily.

Don't get me wrong. Keep the heat on every elected representative you can. But don't make the mistake in believing that it hasn't been done up until this point.

IMO though, the pressure to secure our borders will have to come from the citizens of the states that don't want to have the same things happen to their states that have happened to the border states.

As I said on another thread, 'The United States has gone from being the land of opportunity to being the land of illegal alien opportunists.'

And a lot of the pandering politicians from both parties are complicit.

Tom Tancredo in 2004!

I hope none of you mind my 'Pinging' you to this thread. I don't do too much 'Pinging' anymore, because Madfly, Tancredo Fan and Sabertooth 'Ping' almost the identical list of Freepers to the very same threads. Anyway, LMK.

[PatrioticAmerican]

Nice.

As Paula Harvey said (paraphrasing, here), "This great nation was once a melting pot. Today, it has become a pressure cooker."

[madfly]

Yes, but, but, when it comes to any Border Issue, our governor's are united with the border governors from Mexico and belong the Border Governors' Conference, the Western Governors' Association and many bi-national groups.

I doubt we will see any independent action from any of our State Border Governors. I figure this is why Tom Tancredo had to fly down to southern Arizona to take the issue of border incursions to Washington. And this all stinks.

Does anyone know any more about these guvhah gangs? I have to agree with B4Ranch's idea of the Sheriff's power in the counties.

http://unix.utb.edu/~media/frames/equip/lecture.html

The University of Texas at Brownsville was host for the XVI Border Governors' Conference in June 1998. The SETB Lecture Hall was the main site for this meeting between the governors from both sides of the Mexican and US border.
(recognize anyone?)

The Border Governors and the Western Governors' Association don't include "immigration" in the following. There is some mention of it further down in the document, but it is obvious that this is not one of their priorities, when influencing Government policy. There is a lot of discussion and planning for the environmental conditions along the border, which reeks of Agenda 21 to me. Arizona has a lot of "21" programs, as I'm sure do all the Western States, as well as the nation.

http://www.westgov.org/wga/policy/02/mexgovs_15.pdf

Policy Resolution 02-15
WGA Relations with Mexico and the Border Governors' Conference
Annual Meeting
June 25, 2002
Phoenix, Arizona
SPONSORS: Governors Hull, Davis and Perry

A. BACKGROUND
1. Mexico has long shared a preeminent trade, diplomatic and cultural relationship with the United States. This relationship was further enhanced with the enactment of the North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA) which became effective on January 1, 1994. NAFTA formally linked the economies and trade relationships of the United States, Mexico, and Canada.

2. The tragic events of September 11, 2001 have brought a new focus to the international boundaries of the U.S. and to the need to ensure that security issues are of paramount concern.

3. Western states, and in particular the United States-Mexico border states of Arizona, New Mexico, Texas, and California, are substantial participants in the Mexican market and have supported the full implementation of NAFTA throughout North America. Western states also have been supportive of U.S.- Mexican federal relations across the range of topics addressed by these two great nations.

• 4. There has been a substantial increase in passenger and commercial vehicle traffic at border crossings between the U.S. and Mexico accompanying the implementation of the NAFTA. The increase in vehicle traffic has often resulted in significant delays in traversing the border. These delays have impacts on both environmental quality and the cost of doing business. •

5. Along with the Western Governors’ Association (WGA), one of the groups that has worked to expand and strengthen bilateral relationships between U.S. and Mexican border states is the U.S.-Mexico Border Governors Conference (BGC). The BGC includes the four U.S. and six Mexican border Governors whose states comprise the nearly 2,000 mile U.S.-Mexico border. The BGC has held binational conferences since 1980 to address issues of trade, investment, economic development, public health, the environment, tourism, transportation, and agriculture. The border Governors have conveyed their positions through joint declarations and policy initiatives.

6. During the past eight years, the WGA has worked specifically to build binational relationships in the border region between states through its Border Environment Dialogue Program, including its series of Ten State Retreats hosted in conjunction with different U.S. and Mexican border states on an annual basis, and its coordination support of the Environment session of the BGC. The focus of this program has been on strategic alliances and partnering needed to improve environmental and health conditions in the border region. Ultimately, WGA in conjunction with the BGC, aims to establish a permanent coordination mechanism between the 10 states on environmental matters.

C. GOVERNORS' MANAGEMENT DIRECTIVE
1. WGA shall convey this resolution to the Mexican border Governors, President Fox, President Bush, the following Mexican officials: Secretary of Commerce, Secretary of Treasury, Secretary of Foreign Affiars, Secretary of Environmental and Natural Resources, Secretary of Transportation and Communications, and the National Ecological Institute, and the following U.S. administration officials:

Secretary of State, Secretary of Commerce, Secretary of Treasury, Secretary of Transportation, and the EPA Administrator.
WGA will also convey this resolution to Majority and Minority leadership of the Senate and House of Representatives.

This resolution was originally adopted in 1999 as WGA policy resolution 99-028. (as directed by Staff Council the draft incorporates resolution 99-007)

Approval of a WGA resolution requires an affirmative vote of two-thirds of the Board of the Directors present at the meeting. Dissenting votes, if any, are indicated in the resolution.

The Board of Directors is comprised of the governors of
Alaska, American Samoa, Arizona, California, Colorado, Guam, Hawaii, Idaho, Kansas, Montana, Nebraska, Nevada, New Mexico, North Dakota, Northern Mariana Islands, Oregon, South Dakota, Texas, Utah, Washington and Wyoming.

All policy resolutions are posted on the WGA Web site (www.westgov.org) or you may request a copy by writing or calling:

Western Governors’ Association
1515 Cleveland Place, Suite 200
Denver, CO 80202-5114
Ph: (303) 623-9378
Fax: (303) 534-7309
F:\02RESOS\02 Annual Mtg\US_Mexico Border Relations.wpd

Full text .pdf at this link:

http://www.westgov.org/wga/policy/02/mexgovs_15.pdf

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[dennisw]

And the FEDS should fund these efforts. The VARIOUS STATES must be allocated part of the INS and/or Homeland Security budget to do this.

[MissAmericanPie]

Why then are we not in our state Capitols raising Cain?

[VOYAGER]

The Congress is in the control of the Republicans and still not a damn thing is being done to secure our borders.

Among other needful changes!

Sorry, surprise, surprise!

[Kenny Bunk]

Thank you for pointing this out to all of us.

Our Governors and County officials, especially the Sheriff's, have the full power of the State at their disposal. That they have been unable and most unwilling to wield it effectively. If Sheriff's Departments showed the same zeal in preventing illegal crossing that they do in going after cash and property, the problem would be under control in a week.

Imagine if someone with the clout of Sheriff Arpaio were to get on this illegal immigration. The problem is these border counties and beyond are so "Mexified" already that true politicians are already courting the votes of the illegal immigrants, or at least their children.

What we need is the same system of border controls we have spent $300 Million building for Afghanistan. We simply have to know who's here and who wants to come. We cannot accomplish this because the Mexican Government, The Media, and the Democrat Party have succeeded in painting this normal process as "Racism."

In this effort they have been aided and abetted by the Republican Party.

[NewRomeTacitus]

Lim-baugh Humbug! Heard he was ready to crawl like a worm when he ran into Hillary Clinton at a social function recently. Now G. Gordon, there's a guy who doesn't grovel and continues to tell it like it is.
Poster 45 has a good question there. How does Tancredo defy the status quo without retribution? Other than Carl Rove's, of course. I don't remember anyone electing Carl Rove for anything.

[4.1O dana super trac pak]

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[sweetliberty]

There is no will to control the borders on the part of either government OR law enforcement. THAT is the problem.

[doc]

The best way to stop illegal immigration is to "fine" the illegal immigrant's country of origin. The first time an illegal is caught, deport them and take away $10,000.00 in aid given to that country. For every successive catch of this illegal the tab doubles, $20,000 for second offense etc... The loss in revenue for Mexico would be in the hundreds of millions if not billions of dollars. Trust me at this given point these countries would lean heavily on these felons and probably patrol their own borders.

[snowstorm12]

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