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Newspaper Publishes Names and Addresses of CCW Holders
Fredericksburg Free Lance-Star ^

Posted on 01/05/2003 6:38:23 PM PST by Mortimer Snavely

Phil Van Cleave, head honcho of the Virginia Citizens Defense League, Inc., just e-mailed this:

"The Fredericksburg Free Lance-Star is publishing a list of area residents who have concealed handgun permits.

Great idea Free Lance - let's tell all the criminals which houses to burgle in order to get some guns! Great service to the community.

Maybe the editor and senior people at the Free Lance should publish their personal home addresses so that they, too, can spend quality time with some of those cuddly little felons.

Here is the link:

Weapons Permits

If you find publishing CHP holder's names and addresses to be a pretty stupid idea and to be endangering of the citizens of Virginia, let them know about it. Just because they have the right to publish public information does not necessarily make it the smart or correct thing to do:

newsroom@fredericksburg.com "


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This needs to be protested in the strongest terms legally feasible.
1 posted on 01/05/2003 6:38:23 PM PST by Mortimer Snavely
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To: Mortimer Snavely
This needs to be protested in the strongest terms legally feasible.

Someone could publish the names and addresses of all employees of the newspapers, and legislators who voted to make the info public.

2 posted on 01/05/2003 6:40:49 PM PST by Mulder
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To: Mortimer Snavely
There is enormous financial liability in this extraordinarily foolish move. Can anyone tell me the politics of this newspaper? Do I need to ask?
3 posted on 01/05/2003 6:42:47 PM PST by friendly
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To: Mulder
this is too much.......unflippin believable

I'd sue the paper for INTENTIONALLY PREMEDIATEDLY
targeting my life, my families life when all I
did was follow the law book chapter and verse

Then I'd scream to every venue possible how
a newspaper used it's ink to attack the constitution
and her citizens. There can be no doubt this paper
believes criminals have more rights than law abiders
4 posted on 01/05/2003 6:45:47 PM PST by cactusSharp
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To: Mortimer Snavely
Congratulations to all those with CCW's in Virginia.

Now I'm thinking I'll join the rush and get one for myself.
5 posted on 01/05/2003 6:46:38 PM PST by thinktwice
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To: friendly
All it will take is ONE incident that can be construed as a result of this, and someone will own a local newspaper.
7 posted on 01/05/2003 6:47:11 PM PST by niteowl77
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To: *bang_list
Bang!!
9 posted on 01/05/2003 6:47:35 PM PST by AdamSelene235
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To: *bang_list; *Privacy_list
bump
10 posted on 01/05/2003 6:47:41 PM PST by The Obstinate Insomniac
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To: Mortimer Snavely; Mulder
Uproar from anyone is foolish. Anytime you "register" something with the government, you should expect it to be a "public" record, since the government is "public."

Same with your credit or medical records. Either through blunder or plunder, the bureaucrats will sell you out. This is why I didn't give them my fingerprint when I got my license.

I had seriously considered getting a CCW permit till I saw this. Now I doubt I ever will.

Just like I don't pay dues to the NRA because I don't think I should have to join a listing of a group to defend my natural rights.

OTOH, maybe this listing gives crooks pause to entering, just like the home alarm signs do (or don't.)

11 posted on 01/05/2003 6:48:11 PM PST by sam_paine
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To: Mortimer Snavely
Well, at least now the perps will know who NOT to attack or burglarize......(JOKE!).....seriously, I think those who do NOT carry should be worried. Did THIS joke of a newspaper ever think of that? Those who have CCW usually are CARRYING it, aren't they? Not just leaving it lying around the house when they are out and about?
12 posted on 01/05/2003 6:51:12 PM PST by goodnesswins
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To: Mortimer Snavely
Just publish the name, phone #, and address of the publisher, editor and reporter. Throw in the address of their kids at college.

It will never happen again.

13 posted on 01/05/2003 6:51:31 PM PST by Drango
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To: Mortimer Snavely
So were is the list of those woman who have had abortions? Oh that’s right they have the right to privacy, how silly of me.
14 posted on 01/05/2003 6:51:43 PM PST by Democrap
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To: cactusSharp
I'd sue the paper for INTENTIONALLY PREMEDIATEDLY targeting my life,

Whatever that is...I'm not aware of any "premediation" statute?

BTW, you could sue a paper for libel, but the first defense for libel is the truth, and if these folks do hold CCW's and the list is accurate public info, the paper cannot be held liable for anything untoward.

The more I think about it, I like the idea of the publicity. More the merrier. Dare a burglar!

15 posted on 01/05/2003 6:51:53 PM PST by sam_paine
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To: Mortimer Snavely
Great idea Free Lance - let's tell all the criminals which houses to burgle in order to get some guns! Great service to the community.

Actually, it lets the burgulars which houses will be easy pickins', if the owner is not on the list.

16 posted on 01/05/2003 6:53:09 PM PST by Go Gordon
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To: sam_paine
flip the coin then...name one reason for this rag to print names and addresss of CCW holders...name one reason for the good
17 posted on 01/05/2003 6:53:40 PM PST by cactusSharp
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To: Mortimer Snavely
Many states require pistol purchase permits which are considered public records and published in the newspaper with Marriage Licences and Deed Transfers and etc.

I live in one.

I don't agree with it, but it has continued unchallenged for many moons.

I can't imagine what it would take to change it especially since permits themselves don't pass the test of Constitutionality, in my humble opinion.

Best regards,

18 posted on 01/05/2003 6:53:42 PM PST by Copernicus
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To: Mortimer Snavely
I smell the makings of a lawsuit.
19 posted on 01/05/2003 6:54:25 PM PST by Paul C. Jesup
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To: Mortimer Snavely
Just ONE GDamn time I'd like to hear and or see our PRESIDENT or the JD protest this action as the irresponsible, unAmerican, BS it is. Holding Breath.
20 posted on 01/05/2003 6:54:35 PM PST by dasboot
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To: Mortimer Snavely
This information is part of the public record. It's fair game. Anyhow, crooks don't want to go up against armed citizens, they'll look for easier marks. It might help owners, not hurt them.
21 posted on 01/05/2003 6:55:41 PM PST by GOPJ
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To: GOPJ
Which is exactly why it's so bad.
22 posted on 01/05/2003 6:57:08 PM PST by dasboot
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To: Mortimer Snavely
California changed the rules after an actress was shot to death by a stalker. The addresses and phone numbers of DMV applicants are no longer public record. They are however, available to law enforcement and others who can show a legitimate need for them. The only portion of your DMV record open for public inspection is your name and driving record.
23 posted on 01/05/2003 6:57:43 PM PST by goldstategop
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To: Drango
Just publish the name, phone #, and address of the publisher, editor and reporter. Throw in the address of their kids at college.

Well, newspapers have spent time in jail to preserve their 1st Amendment rights, so no law REQUIRING public registering of reporters.

Gun owners, however, have jumped on board the registration bandwagon (albeit for CCW, what's next?) So now that the list exists...it may surface anywhere. Be prepared.

If we register our DNA/biometrics in a database someday, you may find yourself published in a wanted listing of "possible persons of interest" in a rape or murder case.

24 posted on 01/05/2003 6:58:03 PM PST by sam_paine
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To: Mortimer Snavely
Publisher
Josiah Rowe
374-5451
Associate Publishers
Nick Cadwallender, nickc@freelancestar.com 374-5454
Flo Barnick, fbarnick@freelancestar.com
374-5452
25 posted on 01/05/2003 6:58:04 PM PST by TheBattman
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To: sam_paine
This is why I didn't give them my fingerprint when I got my license.

Which license are you referring to, and how did you convince them to give it to you anyway?

26 posted on 01/05/2003 6:59:56 PM PST by Mr. Mojo
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To: Mortimer Snavely
I know the arguments against publishing the names, but I wouldn't mind it here. Hell, that's GREAT advertising FOR CCW!

"Wow, I had no idea Marcy has a CCW, maybe I should get one."
27 posted on 01/05/2003 7:01:32 PM PST by PatrioticAmerican
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To: cactusSharp
name one reason for the good

They don't need to! If a paper needed to exist solely for the public good (anyone's good) then there'd be very few papers indeed!!!

I think this sucks, but I doubt it's illegal, or even immoral.

In fact, it might do this bit of good: It might remove the shine from CCW laws that merely restrict and dissolve a right I believe I already had when I was born. The notion I have to register my gun activities with the govm't is what is immoral.

28 posted on 01/05/2003 7:01:42 PM PST by sam_paine
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To: Mortimer Snavely
"Great idea Free Lance - let's tell all the criminals which houses to burgle in order to get some guns! Great service to the community."

Au Contraire, Mi Amigo! The stupid newspaper inadvertantly told the criminal public which houses to avoid.

FWIW, any criminal elements in my area of Michigan should be advised that I have at my disposal 12 different firearms, two of which remain near my bed at night, loaded and ready for bear. One of them will put many round rifle holes into an intruder and the other will blow them into the next county.

Sleep tight, America. I will.......

29 posted on 01/05/2003 7:03:31 PM PST by yooper
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To: goodnesswins
"Laying about" may depend on where they have gone.
There are many restrictions on where you can carry.

Nice of these idiots to let perps know who it is SAFE TO ROB or RAPE!

And of course, if they do want to harm a CCW holder, now they know to attack from behind.

Kind of like when the press taught felons to shoot cops in the head in order to defeat their body armor.
30 posted on 01/05/2003 7:03:41 PM PST by Richard-SIA
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To: Rye
Which license are you referring to, and how did you convince them to give it to you anyway?

Drivers license. In Texas. They started raw image scanning of fingerprints coupla years ago, but they weren't actually encoding them in real time...just scanning a picture. So I painted mine with tar when I went. The technician never even looked at the scanned image (I don't know if they know how to.) And she never looked at my finger either.

I was prepared to say, "Keep you license" but I guess I only got a B+ in nonviolent protest. =-/

31 posted on 01/05/2003 7:07:35 PM PST by sam_paine
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To: Mortimer Snavely
In some states (MA?) it is illegal to publish a list of CCW holders. Some paper in RI tried this and was stopped by the courts, IIRC.

Mischief and mayhem.

Society is safer if criminals do not know who is armed.
32 posted on 01/05/2003 7:09:27 PM PST by DBrow
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To: goldstategop; Mortimer Snavely
I believe the exact same thing can happen in California. CCW records in the state are public records open to inspection by anyone asking for the information.
33 posted on 01/05/2003 7:09:44 PM PST by onceone
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To: sam_paine
I had seriously considered getting a CCW permit till I saw this. Now I doubt I ever will.

Why not just concealed carry without a permit? I don't have a permit (but plan to get one), nor do I carry but I've never been in a situation where I was searched by police. So why not just cary without the permit?

34 posted on 01/05/2003 7:10:48 PM PST by The FRugitive
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To: Drango
bttt
35 posted on 01/05/2003 7:12:38 PM PST by BenLurkin
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To: Mortimer Snavely
I agree. The names and addresses of everyone on the newspaper's staff should be printed out on a few thousand leaflets (how big is Fredricksburg?) and posted all over town. Most of them are probably listed in the phone book, and for those that aren't, well ... property tax records are public records too, as are voter registrations. You could certainly assemble a name and address list of all of the papers' senior editors and publisher without more than a few hours of trouble.
36 posted on 01/05/2003 7:12:39 PM PST by Timesink
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To: sam_paine
Good idea using the tar. The morons at the DMV aren't trained to do anything but bitch and complain, so it's no surprise she never even glanced at it.
37 posted on 01/05/2003 7:15:42 PM PST by Mr. Mojo
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To: The FRugitive
"So why not just carry without the permit?"

Because you'll go to jail without it, if you get caught. Big if, and a gamble. If you save your life with the gun and haven't been caught prior to the life-saving incident, its worth it.

OTOH, if you go to jail for possesion of a concealed weapon after being stopped for a broken tail light, you're going to be really pissed. Hence the law.

38 posted on 01/05/2003 7:16:38 PM PST by yooper
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To: Mortimer Snavely
What was the paper thinking when they posted these names? Immediate legal action needs to be taken against the paper. Charge them with RECKLESS ENDANGERMENT.
39 posted on 01/05/2003 7:22:22 PM PST by flynhghr
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To: Mortimer Snavely
A newspaper in Ft. Collins, Colorado published the names and addresses of all the CCW holders in town in late February 2000. Idiots.
40 posted on 01/05/2003 7:22:25 PM PST by Myrddin
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To: Mortimer Snavely
What did you expect after you BEGGED FOR YOUR RIGHT??

No thank you.

Buncha stupid sheople..... Bump

41 posted on 01/05/2003 7:25:04 PM PST by S.O.S121.500
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To: The FRugitive
"Why not just concealed carry without a permit? I don't have a permit (but plan to get one), nor do I carry but I've never been in a situation where I was searched by police. So why not just cary without the permit?"

In some states, that's a felony. Get caught and convicted, and you'll never be able to own a firearm again. Your choice.
42 posted on 01/05/2003 7:28:03 PM PST by MineralMan
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To: stand watie
ping
43 posted on 01/05/2003 7:28:20 PM PST by ELS
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To: sam_paine; Go Gordon; goodnesswins
You folks got it right. It's the people whose names were not included in the list who are most at risk for burgularies.

Making a decision to target a CCW holder's home to steal firearms is a risky gamble that can get you dead. Why take the chance when you can burgle the home of a non-CCW holder to get the $$$ to safely buy a piece on the street?

44 posted on 01/05/2003 7:30:19 PM PST by StopGlobalWhining
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To: Mortimer Snavely
In the light of this injustice, I'm glad there's trial lawyers around.
45 posted on 01/05/2003 7:30:55 PM PST by Ciexyz
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To: Mortimer Snavely; SLB; Squantos; harpseal; Jeff Head; leadpenny
I think they should wear them on their hips or conceal them if they want to.
46 posted on 01/05/2003 7:34:08 PM PST by Fred Mertz
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To: Mortimer Snavely
Assuming I lived in that Communist state, this paper has now created a potential mortal threat to me and my family.

Perhaps many here will think that I am over-reacting, but IMHO, they should be treated accordingly.

47 posted on 01/05/2003 7:34:56 PM PST by wcbtinman
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To: The FRugitive
Why not just concealed carry without a permit? I don't have a permit (but plan to get one), nor do I carry but I've never been in a situation where I was searched by police. So why not just cary without the permit?

That's fine, but since I get pulled over at least every 2-3 years for a speed trap, I figure that's the one time a Tx Hwy Patrolman would remind me that the Leg has authorized him to present anyone carrying that's not "authorized" for felony charges....also, if I carry a Bowie Knife in Texas, I could go to jail. Sucks, but we've gone that far away from James' days.

So, I try to work within the system. I carry my 357, in a holster, in plain view, whenever I walk about on my land...and I menace all rodents, snakes and other mal-critters...and bad guys, though I haven't seen any of them yet.

48 posted on 01/05/2003 7:40:07 PM PST by sam_paine
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To: Mulder
"Someone could publish the names and addresses of all employees of the newspapers, and legislators who voted to make the info public."

You fogot to ad, and distribute this ,along with what they drive, to all of the street urchins and assorted riff-raff.
49 posted on 01/05/2003 7:42:54 PM PST by Clay Moore
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To: Mortimer Snavely
This is nothing new, the Memphis Commercial Appeal which is a leftist piece of scat did the same thing and even published the make and type of weapon each CCW owned. This is SOP for the left and the anti-gunners. It creates an uproar but in the end the CCW holders win out.
50 posted on 01/05/2003 7:44:25 PM PST by vetvetdoug
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