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Handgun Choice - Help Please
2oakes

Posted on 01/06/2003 10:27:26 AM PST by 2oakes

I am trying to choose a handgun for a variety of purposes - target, practical pistol and also for home defense.

I used to shoot a bit when I was in the UK until they took our guns away, but since moving to the US and gaining citizenship, I wish to take up shooting again.

I have been pointed to the Sig Sauer P226 which fits my hands just fine (the Glock 21 is just too big) but would like to seek the opinions of other Freepers before buying.

Thank you

David


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To: 2oakes
davd, imho sig is the best handgun made...BUT... consider your potential use. if you consider a possible breakdown of society,rather than an isolated assault upon yourself, a 1911 is dependable, magazines and parts are interchangable. if something happens to sig you may not be able to get parts or mags. 1911's are everywhere so you could conceivibly pick up someones gun for parts mags ammo.
needless to say there is gross argument vis-a vis caliber. 45 stops someone . what use is 2x mag capacity if it takes 2 or 3 shots to put someone down??
just my opinion.
people will say get revolver because is is simpler. if you are afraid of weapon... dont buy it. what you do buy TRAINNNNN with so that its fuction and use is reflexive to you.
41 posted on 01/06/2003 10:50:34 AM PST by SCARED
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To: Tijeras_Slim
In that case I'd get something that can have a .22 conversion kit put on it.

I almost mentioned this, but I bought mine so long ago that I was afraid they might have stopped making it . . .

They work pretty well (though I find that mine is not as accurate as the .45 rounds through my particular pistol). Another alternative is to reload and back the rounds down for target practice (but not so much that they don't cycle the action!)

(Y'know, I just realized for a first-time pistol purchaser this is a bit much too fast . . . .22 conversion kits and now I'm recommending you start reloading. Gee! I sometimes forget that we got into this hobby a little bit at a time!)

I also concur on the "try before you buy" and "get some training" recommendations by wardaddy & others here . . .

42 posted on 01/06/2003 10:50:38 AM PST by AnAmericanMother
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To: 2oakes
The best practical shooters on the planet hang out here: Brian Enos Shooting Forums.

Its worth a look around if you're interested in the sport.

43 posted on 01/06/2003 10:51:03 AM PST by xsrdx
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To: big ern
It also offers what some of the newer weapons do not and that is the thumb safety which takes no extra time to use but offers an extra level of safety should you have your weapon taken from you and the loser perp isn't familiar with the weapon.

Or an extra level of danger if you find yourself in a life-or-death situation, with adrenaline pumping through your veins, your mind tunnelled down on the threat, your fine motor control shot to hell, and you thereby forget that you have to click the safety off. I gather there've been some cops who were killed in shootouts found to have a full magazine and a round in the chamber, but the safety on.

If the perp takes your gun away, odds are you either drew it too late, waited too long to shoot, or weren't mentally prepared and serious about shooting in the first place and telegraphed that to the perp. That is, unless you're a cop who's forced to carry openly out where they can grab it.

As for "loser perps" - it's a mistake to underestimate them. They don't have anything to do all day in prison except work out and practice disarming techniques on each other.

44 posted on 01/06/2003 10:51:05 AM PST by mvpel
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To: big ern
I don't have a problem hiding a .45 1911 Commander under a t-shirt. Just stay with smooth grips, a IWB holster with a cant and a good belt.

If he has small hands I would recommend a CZ75 or Browning Hi-power in .9MM.
45 posted on 01/06/2003 10:52:12 AM PST by Shooter 2.5
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To: 2oakes
It's hard to go wrong with a Sig or a Gloch. If you're on a budget, get a Taurus; the quality is still quite good. Stick with 9mm or .45 if you're going to get a semi-auto, or .380 if you want a slightly underpowered, but smaller and lighter gun. Have fun and practice often. Enjoy the land of the Free.
46 posted on 01/06/2003 10:52:36 AM PST by arm958
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To: 2oakes
I have a Sig P226 in .40 cal....great pistol, easy to clean, lots of fun to shoot. An excellent choice.
47 posted on 01/06/2003 10:52:45 AM PST by Cuttnhorse
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To: grobdriver
....... If you don't fire 100 rounds a month, you're better off with a shotgun.

Good advice

48 posted on 01/06/2003 10:53:27 AM PST by Fiddlstix
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To: xsrdx
Hang out with Americans best pistolsmiths
49 posted on 01/06/2003 10:53:52 AM PST by joesnuffy
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To: mvpel
Or an extra level of danger if you find yourself in a life-or-death situation, with adrenaline pumping through your veins, your mind tunnelled down on the threat, your fine motor control shot to hell, and you thereby forget that you have to click the safety off.

That's why in the quick access safe I don't leave it on, but in the holster I've trained (hundreds of hours) to drop the safety just after I pull the pistol clear of the holster.

Consider this a free plug for Front Sight Firearms Training Institute. They can take a newbie and turn them into an excellent handler in 4 days.

50 posted on 01/06/2003 10:55:05 AM PST by TheErnFormerlyKnownAsBig
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To: FNG
avoid a 1911 like the plague.

LOL, don't let the secret out! Anybody that shoots a 1911 under enough circumstances, long enough, realizes that you gotta PAY to make them run.

When you do, they are the finest pistols on earth, but don't expect to join the club for less than about $1500, or a pair of Glocks.

51 posted on 01/06/2003 10:56:31 AM PST by xsrdx
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To: AnAmericanMother
now I'm recommending you start reloading.

Atleast nobodys replied with something like: "Any pistol you want as long as you handload Starline brass with CCI large pistol primers, over 4.6 grains of Unique and a Keith Bullet! :-D

52 posted on 01/06/2003 10:57:47 AM PST by Tijeras_Slim
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To: 2oakes
What did you shoot back in your UK days, before they went completely nuts? Any particular reason you can't find it here (USA)?
53 posted on 01/06/2003 10:57:52 AM PST by ArrogantBustard
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To: Shooter 2.5
I starting to like the CZ75 more and more. It can be carried "cocked and locked" a la 1911, but has a safety that is easier to manipulate than a Hi-Power IMO.
54 posted on 01/06/2003 10:59:08 AM PST by Tijeras_Slim
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To: mvpel
I've never been in prison and I'm not a cop but I'm taking some of my the advice I'm passing along from articles written by Massad Ayoob.

Cops wouldn't need level III holsters if they weren't all switching to Glocks that don't have a thumb safety. It's not natural to grab a pistol with your thumb in the postition necessarry to drop the thumb safety which is why cops have been saved by having one after a perp takes the weapon. You have to train yourself to drop the thumb safety. Your correct about the adrenaline screwing with your motor skills but if you train for it you will be fine.

55 posted on 01/06/2003 11:00:16 AM PST by TheErnFormerlyKnownAsBig
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To: Tijeras_Slim
Thanks, I'm after something for aroun $400 for target practice and general plinking although at some point I'd like to get in the league at my club.
56 posted on 01/06/2003 11:01:47 AM PST by 1Old Pro
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To: xsrdx
venerable 1911 .45, which is a fine choice if you don't mind considerable recoil

What recoil? With all that weight, old slabsides doesn't recoil much. With a lighter gun, like my Witness polymer compact, .45 ACP could be a problem, but mine is ported and has less perceived recoil than my 1911. I put 5 boxes through it the first time I took it to the range, and I could have gone more if I'd had time and/or been willing to buy more at the high range prices.

BTW, one need not be an American citizen to own and shoot firearms, only a legal resident. That may have changed a bit of late. I think maybe the changes affect visitors as opposed to resident aliens, but I'm not sure.

57 posted on 01/06/2003 11:02:48 AM PST by El Gato
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To: Shooter 2.5
Small hands can work fine with a 1911 if your fingers aren't too short. I've got what I consider to be smallish hands for a guy but my fingers are long enought to handle a full size 1911 just fine. If my thumb were a 1/4 inch longer I could reach the mag release button a lot easier though.
58 posted on 01/06/2003 11:04:47 AM PST by TheErnFormerlyKnownAsBig
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To: FNG
No flames here, just disagreement . . . but shooters disagree (cordially of course) more than just about any other hobby group I know. Sometimes when we defend our favorite calibers it sounds like we're defending our mothers . . . :-D

I agree with you that when a 1911 is tuned up for competition it becomes less reliable (especially if you tighten the barrel bushing until it screams). But I have dragged my old Army issue 1911 out deer hunting and camping for years, it has gotten wet and dirty but has never failed to fire or feed. And my competition 1911 absolutely can shoot better than I can hold!

And if you can worry about shot placement when confronted with a 240 pound crackhead intent on doing you harm, you are a better man than I am! The one time push came to shove, I was happy to find myself able to line up on center-of-mass without shaking uncontrollably (that's where training really comes in. I didn't start shaking until later.) But Mr. Malefactor did not hang around to let me try it on the dog, he was beating feet as soon as he saw the business end (and it must have looked big enough to swallow his head from that vantage point). :-D But I was really glad I didn't have to shoot him, having to shoot men even in wartime still bugs my dad after 50 years.)

59 posted on 01/06/2003 11:05:12 AM PST by AnAmericanMother
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To: 2oakes
Why waltz when you can rock & roll?

If your going to insist on a handgun I would also recommend the .45

Thompson makes a 45 as well:


60 posted on 01/06/2003 11:05:48 AM PST by SERE_DOC
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