Posted on 01/07/2003 11:27:48 PM PST by kattracks
We use our 12 passenger van to haul our family of 10 to church.
For sale: Used van. Driven only by a little old, bicycle-riding lady to church on Sundays.
(How old is that van? What’s the mileage on it?)
Well, this is an interesting statement and true. But you have taken the agrument way to far. We don't need to quit using oil, we produce 40 percent of what we use right here. We need to quit making ourselves so dependent on Islamic nations for oil that we don't need. We need to be a little more German in our thinking and be a little more energy self sufficient. Maybe quite a bit more.
Are you always this manipulative?
You think Arianna's kidding?
Define "need". What one person considers a necessity, another might consider a conspicuous waste. We don't "need" SUV's, or muscle cars, or superbikes, or Winston Cup races, or leafblowers, or air conditioning, or swimming pools, or amusement parks.
Amen. So, there must be another name for those who claim to be capitalists but couldn't care less about conservation. (How about gluttons?)
That's conservatism.
Are you always this obtuse?
Oh, if only life were so simple as that. You say gov't should have no say in the public's purchasing decisions where oil consumption is concerned. Do you believe that's the way it should be with every other resource having national security implications, as well?
You must be too young to remember the OPEC oil embargo. Maybe you haven't yet noticed how much of our economy runs on oil. Maybe you think the reason for the Persian Gulf War was to free the oppressed people of Kuwait.
As biblewonk said previously, oil is a strategic resource -- every bit as much as steel, uranium, ordnance, or military personnel. Ever heard of the Strategic Petroleum Reserve? Oh, I suppose to be a "real" conservative, one has to let the "free market economy" determine the availability of oil, the size of the military, the number of aircraft carriers, and our foreign policy response to North Korea.
Yeah, go ahead and "drive large," my fine, self-proclaimed conservative friends. Keep the terrorists swimming in US$.
You gonna keep standing there? Only reason I ask is so I can throw it into 4WD to drive over you, nothing special.
Contrary to popular belief, some of us own SUV's (I drive a Grand Cherokee, my wife drives a Wrangler, which we actually DO take off-roading, thank you very much) because we enjoy them outright. We've got three children, and getting them in the back of a car while having enough room for me to push the seat back (no, I'm not a small man by any stretch) was not possible. And I have no desire to drive one of those drafty, clumsy, poorly-made econobox vans that the auto manufacturers are foisting off on the suburban soccer moms.
Considering that it costs me just as much to fill my Jeep's tank as it would to fill up the Volvo wagon my wife and I considered before buying our Jeep, your "oil for terror weapons" analogy loses all sense of reality.
Just admit it. You've got a problem with everybody on the road, period. Go on over to DU. I'm sure you can find some like-minded tree-hugging luddites like yourself to play with. Just stay outta my way, thank you very much. Otherwise, I'll run over you and keep going.
Go back and read her other work. She's not kidding.
Oh, if only life were so simple as that.
It is.
You say gov't should have no say in the public's purchasing decisions where oil consumption is concerned. Do you believe that's the way it should be with every other resource having national security implications, as well?
Oil only has “national security implications” because of government interference in the marketplace for oil. Without that interference, brought about by misguided environmentalists, we would have very adequate supplies of domestic oil.
You must be too young to remember the OPEC oil embargo.
Guess again.
Maybe you haven't yet noticed how much of our economy runs on oil.
Guess again.
Maybe you think the reason for the Persian Gulf War was to free the oppressed people of Kuwait.
It was one of them. Preventing a complete lunatic from gaining access to a large percentage of the world’s accessible oil was a larger reason. Again, the reason the Arab world has such a large percentage of the world’s “accessible” oil is that their governments are not short-sighted enough to restrict their access to it.
As biblewonk said previously, oil is a strategic resource -- every bit as much as steel, uranium, ordnance, or military personnel.
No it isn’t. We have plenty of oil. Look it up.
Ever heard of the Strategic Petroleum Reserve?
Yes.
Oh, I suppose to be a "real" conservative, one has to let the "free market economy" determine the availability of oil,
Yes.
the size of the military, the number of aircraft carriers, and our foreign policy response to North Korea.
Of course not. That’s idiotic.
Yeah, go ahead and "drive large," my fine, self-proclaimed conservative friends.
I drive a Mazda Protégé - 25 mpg city / 31 mpg highway. But I still support the right of American consumers to choose the type of vehicle they want to drive without interference from misguided environmentalists and their luddite agenda.
Keep the terrorists swimming in US$.
As long as enviroidiots, like yourself, restrict access to domestic oil, I guess we all will.
Heh, heh. Try that here in Atlanta, bunky...
I've got a 25-mile one way commute, and that's on some of the most forbidding freeway in the nation.
And I'll lay you good money that I get better mileage in my Jeep than you do in your Ford or GMC conversion van.
Right on both counts.
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