Cop took just 3 seconds to shoot dog

WorldNetDaily.com ^ | Thursday, January 9, 2003

[Nuke'm Glowing]

Exactly. This shooting is just as chicken bleep as the Weaver case. The general populace however is outraged. The Cookeville,TN website is pretty much shut down. They are getting hammered. And I'm sure the mayor is hearing it from all over...

[Bloody Sam Roberts]

Whatever, the possible danger to the cop was real.

Possible. But do you think the officer had more than one round in his pump action shotgun? Do you suppose a blast from a shotgun fired in close proximity as a warning shot would stop the pooch in his tracks? A shotgun is pretty damn loud and unless the dog is trained around them, it will cower at the sound.

Hellfire, even the most vile, evil, child raping, murderer fleeing from police gets a warning shot. And I consider this dog to be a higher form of life than that.

The fact is that this cop is a lowlife and made a snap decision to fire before assessing the situation rationally. Take his guns away and put him behind a desk. His next shooting may involve a kid with a candy bar that he supposes to be a weapon.

[savedbygrace]

I downloaded the video and tried to watch it, but because it was encoded with that Pile Of Bits, RealVideo, I can't make out much of anything that's happening. I can't even see when the dog gets out of the car.

Shame they didn't use a decent encoder for this.

[clamper1797]

Now I'm with a few of the people on this thread. I'd go home, grab my 12ga. and wait on that cops front porch for him to get home. Because you see, he killed my dog, which could have just as easily been my son/daughter/wife/dad/ect. This police officer derserves to be removed from the gene pool.

As more and more of these incidents happen, the likelyhood of what you said happening becomes more and more a possiblity. If I was to sit on a jury to judge a person who killed a cop for "accidently" killing a family member ... I would NEVER vote to convict.

[Chancellor Palpatine]

I'd say that the dog is a higher form of life than this cop, and more deserving of protection.

[clamper1797]

I can't figure out if you're over-the-top sarcastic or just plain nuts.

I suspect the later

[ActionNewsBill]

That the general populace isn't as outraged at that case (mostly due to lack of information, as many people are ignorant as to the facts of Ruby Ridge) does not make this shooting any more justified.

Unfortunately, Weaver was villified and demonized so effectively by the media, that the general public believes that he and his family got what they deserved.

[Elsie]

Cool!

Was he(?) like a pet? Was it tame? did it stay in your house or free to come and go?

(so many questions!)

[dcwusmc]

Did you notice that even your good WODDIE buddy, Chancellor Palpatine, is on the other side in this case? Does that tell you something? Like maybe you're full of it up to your little brown eyes? Like the cop deserves WHATEVER happens to him... a slap on the wrist is never good enough, but in this case, maybe a 12 ga. vasectomy would be appropriate.

[eno_]

If I saw Lon Horiouchi on the street, I would follow him and post his whereabouts. The very least I could do.

[philomath]

The problem is not the event, it's the trend

maybe that's why people are speaking out: they are seeing a trend toward erosion of the most basic freedoms.

my dad (ww 2 vet) told me 30 years ago that he could see as the years progressed freedoms for he had fought being gradually taken through a labyrinth of oppressive laws and regulations. i didn't appreciate this well until i realized how much has been lost in my adult lifetime.

it was an outrage at ruby ridge and it's an outrage here. just because it's only a dog life this time, don't write off those who are coming around to see things more clearly; welcome them to the fold.

[clamper1797]

If I saw Lon Horiouchi on the street, I would follow him and post his whereabouts. The very least I could do.

One would probably have to stand in line to have their "piece" with/of Herr Horuchi

[Wordsmith]

Regarding Ruby Ridge. Off topic, I suppose, but I'd like to hear your thoughts.

Recently read a book called "Cold Zero", by Christopher Whitcomb. Whitcomb was a sniper with the FBI's Hostage Rescue Team. He was part of the sniper team deployed at Ruby Ridge, although at the time Mrs. Weaver was shot he was apparently a few hundred yards away from the sniper who pulled the trigger. His description of the event, as well as its lead up and aftermath, is fascinating and I highly recommend it.

Basically, his take on it is that the sniper teams were given very unusual orders - basically to shoot first. Don't have the book in front of me, but he is very careful to detail the exact wording of their orders, and how this wording deviated from the standard for this kind of situation.

Anyway, the orders basically said shoot adults who seem to be moving in any kind of suspicious manner. When the snipers deployed, after several days without sleep and in a cold rain, and the Weavers left the cabin, with the forces that had already set in motion it seems that the sniper that actually pulled the trigger would have been hard-pressed to choose other than he did. Another "regretable mistake."

So basically, I have 3 questions:

- If you're familiar with Whitcomb's story of the events, what is your take on them?

- If Whitcomb's story is accurate, why is the sniper who pulled the trigger considered the one at fault rather than those who designed the HRT response and gave the orders? Seems that more than anything this was a massive failure, if not deliberate crime, on the part of leadership.

- What sources, if any, would you recommend for a rational, honest analysis of what happened at Ruby Ridge?

Thanks!

[ambrose]

Boxers are friendly dogs, and bulldogs used to be mean but are now quite friendly (and lazy!)

[ambrose]

This is the kind of lying, lilly-livered, yellow-bellied, chicken-sh*t scum we have toting guns and badges around. It makes me ill.

Agreed.

[SerpentDove]

>>I have yet to see any outrage by LEOs posted here that some freepers won't defend. From the shotgun slaying of a 12 year old, to Waco to Ruby Ridge I have yet to see anything where some freepers didn't
jump to the defence of LE<<

Sickening, isn't it? Disgusting moral vacancy.

[headsonpikes]

"...12ga vasectomy..." bump. ;^)

Ouch!

[dcwusmc]

Love to. Won't fit, though...

[dirtboy]

You know, as long as we're just chatting here, I've often noticed that people who don't do illegal and/or immoral things (like, I don't know... drugs?) seem to be generally less paranoid about police. Have you noticed the same?

You might ask the law-abiding Smoak family if they still feel as you do, Dan. Between this and the cops busting people in a bar in Virginia, it shows how cops often feel invicible and above the law nowadays. What would happen if YOU were pulled over by police who mistook you for a criminal?

[eno_]

If Whitcomb's story is accurate, why is the sniper who pulled the trigger considered the one at fault rather than those who designed the HRT response and gave the orders?

Two part answer: a) Obviously the responsibility goes all the way up the chain of command. b) The journey up that chain begins with Lon Horiouchi: Horiouchi would have to say "I may have been given illegal orders" and then it would be time to look at who gave the orders.