Hitler's sexuality is HBO topic (Claim Hitler Was "Gay")

Yahoo News ^ | Thu Jan 9 2003 | Andrew Wallenstein

[P8riot]

That'll sure p!$$ off the neo-nazi groups a bit.

But then again....maybe not.

[VadeRetro]

There was a niece I seem to remember who became involved with this devil sexually and as a result jumped (or was pushed) from a window to her death. He was said to have suffered greatly over her loss.

Geli Raubal died of a gunshot to the heart.

[xzins]

The following excerpt of an earlier thread was posted by TigerLikesRooster in June. This new thread is an obvious attempt at using their media arm to re-explain the history of the "pink swastika." Hitler-was-gay must really bother the sodomite movement. Truth is truth, however.


http://www.freerepublic.com/forum/a3b33b7e907fd.htm




Exploding the Myth of the “Pink Triangle.”




Excerpts from The Pink Swastika: Homosexuality in the Nazi Party (Founders Publishing Corporation, 1995) by Scott Lively and Kevin E. Abrams.

The following article was prepared by Scott Lively and was previously published in substantial part in Culture Wars magazine, April, 1996, and in The Journal of Human Sexuality (Lewis and Stanley, 1996).

The pink triangle, symbol of the “gay rights” movement, is familiar to many Americans. As the badge used by the Nazis to designate homosexuals in the concentration camps, the pink triangle perfectly expresses the message of “gay rights.” That message is that homosexuals are currently and historically victims of irrational prejudice and that those who oppose homosexuality are hateful bigots. This all-important victim status engenders sympathy for the homosexual “cause” among well-meaning heterosexuals. Thus, millions of otherwise rational Americans support a movement whose sole unifying characteristic is a sexual lifestyle they personally find repugnant.
When homosexuals display the pink triangle, they are equating all opposition to homosexuality with Nazism and themselves with the Jewish victims of the Holocaust. As pro-homosexual Rabbi Bernard Mehlman put it, “Homophobia and Anti-Semitism are part of the same disease.” [This issue is addressed at length in Section Three, How American ‘Gays’ are Stealing the Holocaust].
While a relative few homosexuals were interned in Nazi work camps, the role of homosexuals in Nazi history is not accurately represented by the pink triangle. Our review of more than 200 history and other texts written since the 1930s suggests that a pink swastika would be equally appropriate: while some homosexuals were jailed by the Nazi party, there is no doubt that the Nazi party itself had many homosexuals within its own ranks, even among its highest leadership.


The Homosexual Roots of the Nazi Party




The “gay rights” movement often portrays itself as an American phenomenon which arose from the civil rights movement of the 1950s. It is not uncommon to hear homosexualists (those both “gay” and “straight” which promote the legitimization of homosexuality) characterize “gay rights” as the natural third wave of civil rights activism (following blacks and women). In reality, however, Germany was the birthplace of “gay rights,” and its legacy in that nation is truly alarming.
The “grandfather of gay rights” was a homosexual German lawyer named Karl Heinrich Ulrichs. Ulrichs had been molested at age 14 by his male riding instructor (Kennedy in Pascal:15). Instead of attributing his adult homosexuality to the molestation, however, Ulrichs devised in the 1860s what became known as the “third sex” theory of homosexuality. Ulrichs' model holds that male homosexuals are actually female souls trapped within male bodies. The reverse phenomenon supposedly explains lesbianism. Since homosexuality was an innate condition, reasoned Ulrichs, homosexual behavior should be decriminalized. An early follower of Ulrichs coined the term “homosexual” in an open letter to the Prussian Minister of Justice in 1869 (Lauritsen and Thorstad:6).
By the time Ulrichs died in 1895, the “gay rights” movement in Germany had gained considerable strength. Frederich Engels noted this in a letter to Karl Marx regarding Ulrichs’ efforts: “The pederasts start counting their numbers and discover they are a powerful group in our state. The only thing missing is an organization, but it seems to exist already, but it is hidden” (Plant:38). After Ulrichs' death, the movement split into two separate and opposed factions. One faction followed Ulrichs' successor, Magnus Hirschfeld, who formed the Scientific Humanitarian Committee in 1897 (Steakley:23f.) and later opened the Institute for Sex Research in Berlin. The other faction was organized by Adolf Brandt, publisher of the first homosexual magazine, Der Eigene (The Elite). Brandt, Benedict Friedlander and Wilhelm Jansen formed the Gemeinschaft der Eigenen (The Community of the Elite) in 1902. What divided these groups was their concepts of masculinity. Ulrichs' theory embraced a feminine identity. His, and later Hirschfeld's, followers literally believed they were women trapped in men's bodies.
The followers of Brandt, however, were deeply insulted by Ulrichs' theory. They perceived themselves not merely as masculine, but as a breed of men superior in masculine qualities even to heterosexuals (Greenburg:410). The Community of the Elite (CE) preached that male homosexuality was the foundation of all nation-states and that male homosexuals represented an elite strata of human society (Mills:152). The CE fashioned itself as a modern incarnation of the warrior cults of ancient Greece. Modeling themselves after the military heroes of Sparta, Thebes and Crete, the members of the CE were ultra-masculine, male-supremacist and pederastic (devoted to man/boy sex). Brandt said in Der Eigene, that he wanted men who “thirst for a revival of Greek times and Hellenic standards of beauty after centuries of Christian barbarism” (Brandt in Oosterhuis and Kennedy:3).
One of the keys to understanding both the rise of Nazism and the later persecution of some homosexuals by the Nazis is found in this early history of the German “gay rights” movement. For it was the CE which created and shaped what would become the Nazi persona, and it was the loathing which these “Butches” held for effeminate homosexuals (“Femmes”) which led to the internment of some of the latter in slave labor camps in the Third Reich. Plato, who originated the fascist model of government in The Republic (Weber:11), captures the spirit of the CE in another of his Dialogues, Banquet: “If it were possible to form a state or an army exclusively of homosexuals, these men would direct all their emulations toward honors, and going into battle with such a spirit would, even if their numbers were small, conquer the world” (Plato in Heiden’s Der Fuehrer:741). From today’s vantage point, Plato’s observation seems like an eerie prophecy of Nazism.

[paltz]

I posted something about this back in '99, and Jim Rob nearly threw me off the site. Now it's "mainstream"...and ok to talk about. But no worries... I was just tring to keep this place cutting edge.

[Rain-maker]

[VOA]

Years ago I read a book that was basically a discussion of how the OSS (or related intelligence
group) did a "distant" psychological analysis on Hitler.
I don't think they concluded he was gay...but that he did have a lot of "hang-ups".

IIRC, the group tried to make sure some sort of packet of pornography would fall into
Hitler's possession...hoping that the material would push some of his buttons
and either distract or unhinge him.
I don't know if they ever succeeded in doing this...

[Jonah Hex]

LOL!!

[69ConvertibleFirebird]

There is no denying that the top echelons of the Nazi Party, especially in it's early days (26-34), was full of homosexuals.

Can we please see this as the front page headline, above the fold, of the Washington Post and N.Y. Times, please...
I would say that it ranks up there with most of their headlines.

[69ConvertibleFirebird]

And a Nazi...

[lds23]

ROFL!!!

[pollwatcher]

Little wonder that members of the D.C. chapter of ACT-UP admited to reading and using tactics from Mein Kampf!

[Petronski]

If they really want to get to the bottom of this, they need to consult "The Hidden Hitler" by Hitler's close associate and pianist, American-born Ernst "Putzi" Hanfstaengl.

Hitler, he says, could not relate to women as an equal, and instead needed to be humiliated and dominated by them. This ugliness remains the best explanation of Geli Raubal's suicide. I'll spare the details, but imagine the worst.

Putzi fled Germany before the war, and as a POW helped Army Intelligence develop a psychological profile of Hitler: another very scary document.

[AppyPappy]

Troops: Here we come just a walking down the street singing "Doowahdiddydiddydumdiddydoo"
Hitler: March on, my lovelies. We'll beat those awful French pastries and then we'll bathe in champagne. And watch that chafing.

[Petronski]

Ach! The title is "Hitler: The Missing Years" and Putzi was not a POW, but was held by the Army as though he had been a POW, because of his association with the Nazi elite.

[Skooz]

That is an excellent book. I read it a couple of years ago and still have it around here somewhere.

[Leisler]

He hated cigarettes. Was a Vegan. Always had his panties in a bunch about something. Was for national heathcare, daycare, liked boys going nude in the summer sun or wearing leather shorts.

Gay? Naaa...

[aristeides]

I've read the Machtan book, and it isn't based on psychoanalysis at all. It's based on historical (documentary) sources. Personally, I found the book persuasive, although something short of proof (as the author admits.)

[Dick Bachert]

Not so.

A recently discovered little known fact may help to explain Hillary Clinton's aggressive and domineering personality: She is, in fact, Adolph Hitler's long lost daughter.

2 months before her suicide with Adolph in the infamous Berlin bunker, Eva Braun gave birth to little "Hildegard" Shickelgruber and arranged to have the baby smuggled across Allied lines to France.

In Marseilles, France, the child was delivered to a kind-hearted ship's captain. Upon landing in New Orleans, the captain personally carried the infant to the home of Eva's second cousin, Dorte Dittlemann, in – appropriately -- Stuttgart, Arkansas.

The rest, as they say, is history!

[ohioman]

The early Nazi Party homos were known as the Brownshirts or the SA, ran by Earnst Rhoem-a sickening fag who loved young teenage boys. In maybe his only decent act, Hitler made a deal with the Army and got rid of the SA and Earnst during the "Night of the Long Knives." What is silly, is the fact that this was brought up during Nuremburg. In effect, the court was saying that is was a crime for Nazis to be killing other Nazis. Huh?

[smiley]

Actually, this concept of Hitler being gay is nothing knew. Last year the History Channel did a fascinating documentary (about 2+ hours long entitled "Hitler's Women." Women who were interviewed and who worked with or were "associated" with Hitler commented on Hitler's homosexuality. The inner circle knew about Hitler's sexual preferences and Eva Braun was basically a "front" for public appearances only. There was also a wealthy German socialite who professed her deep feelings of love to Hitler. Hitler basically told her it would never happen and that his love interests didn't involve women. If History channel runs this documentary, it worth the time to view it.