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Per the breaking report, this could cause JDAM's problems...

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1 posted on 01/09/2003 4:18:03 PM PST by MeekOneGOP
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To: MeeknMing
JDAMit anyway!
2 posted on 01/09/2003 4:20:00 PM PST by JennysCool
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To: MeeknMing
I suspect the military has given thought to this. Wouldn't be surprised if jamming turns out to be a little more difficult than the Iraquis think.

Encoded GPS signals?
3 posted on 01/09/2003 4:20:09 PM PST by Restorer
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To: MeeknMing
Houston, we've got a problem...
4 posted on 01/09/2003 4:20:13 PM PST by AntiGuv (D'oh!!)
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To: MeeknMing
Gee, what a shock. Perhaps you isolationist butt kissers can ask what they would do with those. Having been there, done that, all I can say is if we don't clean the rat's nest out now, we can mop up the bodies in the U.S.A. later...those bastards are here. Wake up and smell the coffee...
5 posted on 01/09/2003 4:20:43 PM PST by Nuke'm Glowing
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To: MeeknMing
Jammers are great targets!
6 posted on 01/09/2003 4:20:57 PM PST by LibWhacker (99 percent of lawyers give the rest a bad name.)
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To: MeeknMing
Yes, but they don't have anything to Jam the dumb-bombs that come raining out of the B-52's.

Also, I'm not sure about the report. If so, we just get the manufacturers from Russia to help us develop a counteraction to these "jammers".
7 posted on 01/09/2003 4:22:22 PM PST by rs79bm
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To: MeeknMing
Did you here when this purchase was made...recently?
8 posted on 01/09/2003 4:22:22 PM PST by mystery-ak (I envy Laura)
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To: MeeknMing
Iraq may have purchased GPS jammers from Russians

Purchased when?

10 posted on 01/09/2003 4:22:42 PM PST by aristeides
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To: MeeknMing
I'm sure that everyone is aware that jammers make great beacons for locking on radio frequency tracking missiles.

The best electronic counter counter measure (ECCM) is a BOMB.
12 posted on 01/09/2003 4:23:31 PM PST by putupjob
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To: MeeknMing
Use missiles from ships, aircraft or predator drones to home in on the GPS jammers and blow them up OR use laser guided munitions in areas with the GPS jammers.
14 posted on 01/09/2003 4:23:52 PM PST by relee
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To: MeeknMing
I hope operators are still proficient and equipped with laser guided weapons. I seem to remember an old saying about all your eggs in one basket, I hope it doesn't apply to our U.S. Air Force.
15 posted on 01/09/2003 4:24:19 PM PST by honway
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A smart EE can make a jammer with components from RadioShack. Buying them just shortens the procurement cycle.

Every jammer is an emitter. Every emitter is a target. Ask the guys who operate the SAMs. Every measure has a counter. Every counter has a counter-counter.

It's all part of the mission planning.

16 posted on 01/09/2003 4:24:21 PM PST by Blueflag
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To: MeeknMing
GASP!
WHAT!?!

Our FRIENDS the Russians? helping our enemies the iraqis? But, but why?

shoes are dropping like a rain in seattle during storm season.

Iraq, Iran, N. Korea, Cuba, Venezuela and virtually ALL the third world trouble sites... former commie satellites and client states... THIS is the "cold war dividend".

the cold war dividend is more expensive then the war itself was. NOW we have to clean up the messes that Clintong refused to... after all, the soviets and their clientstates were and still ARE his heros.

Jimmy C, Billy the sink, and hilly the sk##nky one, are all part of the old socialist block... and like good team players, set us up... the bomb... for their comrades in arms, the soviets, the chinreds and the northkorea types.

Cleanup on aisle... on aisle... well dammit, pretty much every darn aisl there is.
Rummy and Condi to the cleanup office please.
18 posted on 01/09/2003 4:25:46 PM PST by Robert_Paulson2
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[gpsjam-7]

[gpsjam-8]

SUMMARY: (U) CONFEX - THE RUSSIAN FIRM AVIACONVERSIA MARKETED AND DISPLAYED ITS PORTABLE GPS AND GLONASS JAMMER AT THE MOSCOW AIR SHOW '97, 19-24 AUG 97, IN MOSCOW, RUSSIA. THE 4-WATT JAMMER JAMS CIVILIAN AND MILITARY FREQUENCIES OF GPS AND GLONASS UP TO A RANGE OF 200 KM. PROTOTYPE AT THE SHOW - LOOKING FOR BUYERS.

http://216.239.39.100/search?q=cache:xvswi5R-u9EC:www.qsl.net/n9zia/wireless/gps_jam-pics.html+gps+jammer&hl=en&ie=UTF-8

 

22 posted on 01/09/2003 4:28:09 PM PST by dennisw (http://www.littlegreenfootballs.com/weblog/weblog.php)
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To: MeeknMing
Scramble the jammers with EMP weapons... move in for the kill. The age of electronic warfare.
25 posted on 01/09/2003 4:29:54 PM PST by dennisw (http://www.littlegreenfootballs.com/weblog/weblog.php)
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To: MeeknMing
Fox News is being needlessly alarmist here. There is no doubt that the military is not only prepared for such efforts to counter their weapons but are expecting it.

26 posted on 01/09/2003 4:30:28 PM PST by SamAdams76 (Guess we'd better give up and go home...)
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Breaking? The following article is from CNN on September 24th.

U.S. prepared if Iraq uses jammers

Tuesday, September 24, 2002 Posted: 11:29 PM EDT (0329 GMT)

Editor's Note: CNN Access is a regular feature on CNN.com providing interviews with newsmakers from around the world.

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Military analyst retired Air Force Maj. Gen. Don Shepperd

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ATLANTA, Georgia (CNN) -- With a plan for a possible war against Iraq sitting on President Bush's desk, there is a disturbing report that "smart bombs" in the U.S. arsenal, which would likely be used in any strikes on Baghdad, may have an Achilles heel.

A cheap, easy-to-get device could interfere with the weapons' guidance systems, possibly disrupting surgical strikes and endangering civilians the bombs were designed to avoid, The Wall Street Journal reported Tuesday.

CNN anchor Kyra Phillips discussed the report with CNN military analyst, retired Air Force Maj. Gen. Don Shepperd who explained how such "smart" weapons work.

SHEPPERD: The JDAM is Joint Direct Attack Munition, and basically what it is, it's a satellite-guidance component that is put on the tail of a weapon. It moves the fins, it directs it to the set of coordinates that you program in.

Unfortunately, it has been called a satellite-guided weapon. It is not satellite guided. It is guided by an inertial navigation system (INS) that guides it to the coordinates. The Global Positioning System (GPS) mode of it basically updates and makes the INS more accurate. So, it is satellite-assisted, not satellite-guided.

PHILLIPS: OK, big difference. So then, let's talk about this article and ... these jammers -- you are able to purchase one on the Internet for 40 bucks. Is in the same type of jammer that the U.S. military would use?

SHEPPERD: Well, I will stay away from what the U.S. military would use, but it is the type of jammer that Saddam Hussein might use in Iraq.

Basically, it is very cheap to jam GPS signals. You can do it with these low-powered and cheap jammers. However, when we designed the weapon, we had this in mind. And what happens when the weapon basically gets information that it has lost the satellite signal, or it is being confused and jammed, it then reverts to its INS mode, its Inertial Navigation System.

It makes it less accurate, but let me give you kind of a range: Let's say it is a 5-meter, or 15-foot, bomb with the GPS signal. It would go, maybe, to a 15- or 20- meter, a 45-, 50-, 60-foot bomb without it. Therefore, it doesn't mean -- with a blast radius of, say, 150 feet -- that it is a useless bomb by any means. It is just less accurate than it would be with the GPS signal.

PHILLIPS: Well, in an area like Baghdad, it is not like Afghanistan with this vast desert area. It is very small, so accuracy is so crucial. So does this concern you at all?

SHEPPERD: It does concern us, and of course, when you degrade the accuracy of precision munitions, it is still a concern. When you go in downtown Baghdad, in populated areas, and you want to hit a military vehicle that is next to a hospital, you want it to be very, very accurate. You want a 5-meter bomb. And if it is jammed, and goes to 15- or 20-meter, it could affect the accuracy. So Saddam Hussein has to think that by jamming it, it could divert some of our weapons into his populated areas, if he cares.

PHILLIPS: Well, general, have GPS signals ever been jammed in battle? Do we know that?

SHEPPERD: Again, I need to stay away from that. It is possible to jam GPS signals in battle. Whether or not it has actually been done and the effect of it is not something that I care to discuss right now, but it is possible. It just makes them less accurate and not useless.

PHILLIPS: Can we talk about what we really know with regard to the extent of our GPS's vulnerability?

SHEPPERD: Well, the GPS is vulnerable in that you can jam satellite signals. There is a commercial and a military use, and the commercial side is used to locate the military signal, if you will. So the military is much harder to jam, and it is a different signal entirely, but we are vulnerable.

On the other hand, again, it doesn't mean the weapons are useless, it just means that, maybe, their accuracy is two or three times the 5 or 10 meters that you would like to have.

PHILLIPS: Are efforts underway to upgrade the satellites?

SHEPPERD: There are constant efforts to increase the reliability of the signal. All of those are highly classified. We won't be told what they are doing out there, but we are constantly looking at upgrading this accuracy and making sure the signals are reliable.

27 posted on 01/09/2003 4:30:43 PM PST by Cagey
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OK. Use dumb bombs, B52s and screw the collateral damage!
36 posted on 01/09/2003 4:39:03 PM PST by sheik yerbouty
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To: MeeknMing
I don't remember where, but I heard about this over a month ago. There are countermeasures to this, and I'm sure that the necessary steps are being taken.
37 posted on 01/09/2003 4:39:18 PM PST by John Jorsett
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To: MeeknMing
EASILY solved problem.

EMP bombs in the first hour, JDAMS follow.

40 posted on 01/09/2003 4:43:30 PM PST by Mariner
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