AZ Alert: Lawmaker: Aid to Mexican States is Cheaper Than Border Security

Santa Fe New Mexican ^ | 01/10/2003 | Associated Press

[hsmomx3]

TUCSON, Ariz. - Economic aid targeted to 50 regions in just six Mexican states could cut illegal immigration to the United States in half, a Mexican congressman said Thursday.

Eduardo Arnal Palomera, one of four lawmakers from Mexico on a three-day trip to Tucson to meet with local, state, federal and Indian officials, said American contribution toward Mexico's economic development would be mutually beneficial in helping solve his country's illegal immigration.

Lack of jobs and economic desperation is what drives hundreds of thousands of Mexicans to cross the border illegally every year seeking jobs here, according to Arnal Palomera.

He said the situation is most difficult in the states of Oaxaca, Zacatecas, Puebla, Guanajuato, Guerrero and Chiapas.

"It's cheapest for the United States to help Mexico to grow" by stimulating jobs and industry there than to continue to pay for "security, helicopters, Border Patrol, fences, walls," Arnal Palomera said.

He said he planned to deliver the same message during a scheduled meeting Friday with southern Arizona Reps. Jim Kolbe and Raul Grijalva.

The delegation met with Gov. Janet Napolitano for nearly a half-hour behind closed doors to discuss illegal immigration-related issues, including efforts of private groups patrolling the Arizona border.

Congressman Tarcisio Navarrette Montes de Oca, who headed the delegation, said the group proposed creating a binational working group of state, local and federal officials "to study, analyze and propose an urgent solution" to soaring deaths of Mexican migrants trying to cross the Arizona desert.

A record 145 illegal immigrants died during the past fiscal year, including 83 of heat exposure.

Arnal Palomera said he and his colleagues were concerned that ranchers and groups organizing patrols along the Arizona border have weapons and could cause a confrontation with illegal immigrants leading to violence.

Navarrette Montes said he hopes "to find a win-win solution for both countries and promote protection for human rights and we are open to promote commercial and economic exchange."

The group also met with Tucson Mayor Bob Walkup and the Tucson-Mexico Trade Office to develop new ways for improving trade activities - including improved rail connections.

©Santa Fe New Mexican 2003

[Plutarch]

Hmmm... maybe there is an idea here. The Romans used allied barbarian tribes to protect their borders from other barbarian tribes. Maybe we can pay those Mexican jurisdictions bordering us to protect our border from migrants from the South. Would be cheaper, and potentially more effective.

Of course, the intent of our Federal Government is to keep the border porous, so Dems can import voters, and so Pizza Hut can sell pizzas more profitably. The cost of border security has never been the issue, has it?

[judgeandjury]

Does the Mexican government EVER do anything to try to help their own people (besides encouraging them to illegally enter the U.S.)?

[koax]

i doubt that because one of the effects of nafta is the destruction of mexican agriculture by american agribusiness.

since the majority of immigrants are rural, i expect an increase in illegal immigration.

[judgeandjury]

People leave the country in droves because it's poor and they can't feed they're family.

Most of the people in Mexico may be poor, but the country of Mexico is not poor.

[discostu]

No the country of Mexico is poor. There are a lot of resources in the ground, but no companies that can foot the bill to get to them. Much like how Syberia would stop being poor if somebody could figure out a decent way to carve through the permafrost. Resources in the ground don't accomplish anything, they're potential riches but they aren't riches.

[Tripleplay]

Mexico has had over a 1,000 years to solve its economic problems.

A gift from America cannot change a culture which relies on fraud, graft, and payoffs to deliver goods and services to its citizens.

[judgeandjury]

Yeah right. Just round up a couple million people scattered randomly through out the nation and seal a 2000 mile long border on rough terrain. Easy stuff. I'm talking real world here not hypotheticals. If your solution were even remotely physically possible it would be the best solution, problem is there's no way it can be done.

We wouldn't need to round up any illegal aliens if we simply enforced existing laws against American employers who hire illegal aliens, plus cut off ALL social services to illegal aliens. No jobs, no welfare, no food stamps, no free medical care, and no free schooling = no attraction for illegal aliens to come here or continue to stay here.

[JustAnAmerican]

"Yeah right. Just round up a couple million people scattered randomly through out the nation and seal a 2000 mile long border on rough terrain. Easy stuff. I'm talking real world here not hypotheticals."

And I suppose it's better to pay Mexico off every time they say money will fix the problem? Remember NAFTA and all the Billions sunk into Mexico by the US taxpayer? That really stopped illegal immigration huh? What I suggested can be done, and I am getting mighty tired of people saying it cannot be done. Guess you feel we should

(1) Give them amnesty?
(2)Pay them off with US taxpayers money?

I am just telling you that from all the things I am hearing on the street, things are coming to a boil, Americans are getting tired of the "Press 1 for English 2 for Spanish" culture. You would be surprised what a couple of hundred Million pissed off Americans can do if the Politicians will not.

[discostu]

Wrong set of economic problems. Most of the ones they're dealing with now were created in the 20th century. They had a socialist government longer than any other nation on earth (though China will probably pass them soon), look at eastern Europe right after Russia's collapse. Mexico is cleaning up the same mess.

[neutrino]

Heaven help us.

[discostu]

Of course you still have to find them first. The laws should be enforced better when we catch employers hiring illegals, but even with 100% enforcement of those that get caught most will probably never get caught. As for the social services, well most of those should end period since they're just commie wealth redistribution so you'll get no arguement from me on that issue.

[madfly]

"It's cheapest for the United States to help Mexico to grow" by stimulating jobs and industry there than to continue to pay for "security, helicopters, Border Patrol, fences, walls," Arnal Palomera said.

Wonder what what the border governors and the bi-national groups will want next week. Napolitano was on ABC this week this month asking for more Federal Money to support the skyrocketing health care and court system charges brougt about by the flow of illegal aliens. There are quite a few bi-national groups that meet year round and plan these media events.

Anyone in Tucson tomorrow may want to attend this event by a man also looking for solutions.

SPENCER IN TUCSON TOMORROW, JAN. 11
Glenn Spencer of American Border Patrol will appear at a meeting of Arizonans for Immigration Reform tomorrow, Saturday, January 11, at 1:30 p.m. The meeting will be held at The Himmel Park library at 1035 N Treat Ave., Tucson, AZ 85716 (9 blocks east of N. Campbell and 1 block south of E. Speedway). The ABP MIST/BorderCam system will be on display.
For information, call 520-298-1939.

[judgeandjury]

No the country of Mexico is poor. There are a lot of resources in the ground, but no companies that can foot the bill to get to them.

If no Mexican company can get the job done, then the Mexican government should contract with a foreign company to come in and do the job. Like I said before, the country of Mexico is not poor. They just have a lot of natural resources that have yet to be developed.

[LibTeeth]

The John Birch Society warned me that this was going to happen way back in '64. Run away \(^o^)/

[discostu]

Nope. It's better to fix they're economy with their help or without it, a point I've already made on this thread. I've aso already addressed why NAFTA didn't work (socialist government in action).

Don't put words in my mouth. I've stated EXACTLY what I think should be done, and your strawman list wasn't in it.

I don't give a crap what you're "hearing from the street", I'm just telling you the reality of the situation. It is not now, nor is it likely to be, possible to deport all the illegal aliens and/ or seal the border. Cannot be done, all the pissing and moaning on "the street" isn't going to change what's possible, and as long as the demands of the people can't be accomplished there's not much reason to try to appease them.

Things aren't coming to a boil, there isn't going to be a revolution, people have been making the same dire predictions as long as I've been alive and probably longer and they have yet to be right even once. You'd be suprised just how few Americans are terribly concerned about much of anything, most folks get up in the morning, go to work, and basically don't give a crap. That's why 15 million voters was an amazing miracle that tested our ability to get the vote counted. If only 15 million are willing to let their opinion be known when it's asked just what makes you think 200 million will "rise up" of their own volition. Ain't gonna happen.

[discostu]

No the Mexican government SHOULDN'T contract with a foreign company, for all the same reasons we get scared when major manufacturing companies move out of America. They want to keep the money within Mexico, if somebody else comes in and taps the resources most (and possibly all) of the money will leave Mexico, which leaves them in the same mess they're in now only they don't have the resources in the ground anymore.

Like I said they ARE poor. Untapped resources aren't wealth, they're potential wealth. What you're effectively saying is that an elevator at the top floor of a tall building is descending rapidly simply because if you cut the cable it would. Until those resources are tapped (the cable is cut), in a way that keeps the wealth in Mexico, it's a poor country.

[Tripleplay]

I repeat

A gift from America cannot change a culture which relies on fraud, graft, and payoffs to deliver goods and services to its citizens.

Venture capital cannot be enticed to invest in a corrupt society.

[Bernard]

Simple solution - we print pesos and hand them out at the border. The trade-off is the person taking the pesos can't cross the border into here.

[Dr Warmoose]

WE THE PEOPLE make up enough of a population to solve this problem. Since the government utterly refuses to enforce the law, coalitions should file lawsuits against firms employing illegal aliens - if nothing more than harassment and bad publicity. If this doesn't persuade seditionist employers, then at least the court awards will underwrite local militias that can form roving patrols.

The "problem", according to the article is to make staying in Mexico more enticing than illegal entry into the Estados Unidos. Their solution requires looting honest people as a form of endless extortion. The "solution" should be one of making it more rewarding to stay south of the Rio Grande. If there are zero rewards in the US, then whatever there is in Mexico would seem "more rewarding".

Unfortunately, this crap from the cultural Marxists that "all cultures are the same" leads the non-thinking American into believing that "prosperity happens", not that contracts should be honored, property not seized, rule of law, not rule by the connected, and an educated and skilled workforce should be in place. Instead they think that just pouring someone else's money into the area will cure all ills.

I am seeing the economic fall of the united States as a good thing. As less and less money come in to be pissed away by the politicians, they often punish the taxpayers by releasing criminals into society, closing parks, ending road construction, and stiffing the hospitals. The politicians strike back at the taxpayer by preserving wealth transfer schemes (midnight basketball,studies on the mating habits of sea turtles,etc.) and waging war against the taxpayer by failing to do that which is mandated by the Constitution. As the taxpayer realizes that the politicians have greater allegiance to the Parasites and contempt for the Producers then more and more people will rally to the cause and decide that rationing what little services we have left with illegal aliens is counterproductive. The seed of resentment often grows into a tree of rebellion. The down side to this, is that almost every time this happens, a charismatic leader arises and ultimately gains tyrannical control by promising to fix all of the problems overnight - the people who are at wits end will give away everything in the hopes of ending the present evil. The trump card here is that the communist media will sling mud at any "savior" that appears to be conservative, and the left certainly won't ever take up the "Language, Borders, Culure" cause.

The average sheeple will toe the PC line until their child is denied medical care because the hospital ran out of money performing expensive surgery on scores of illegal aliens. When the sheeple discover that their children are as ill equiped to compete in the modern world as those from the turd world nations, and they are taught that it is because their child's progress is tied to the progress of non-English speaking, then even more resentment will grow.

This is one of the reasons why we need school vouchers. That way we can put an actual dollar figure on the amount of taxpayer money that is confiscated from the hardworking citizens of this country and lavished on the thieves and parasites from the turd world.