Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

Skip to comments.

AZ Alert: Lawmaker: Aid to Mexican States is Cheaper Than Border Security
Santa Fe New Mexican ^ | 01/10/2003 | Associated Press

Posted on 01/10/2003 1:47:01 PM PST by hsmomx3

TUCSON, Ariz. - Economic aid targeted to 50 regions in just six Mexican states could cut illegal immigration to the United States in half, a Mexican congressman said Thursday.

Eduardo Arnal Palomera, one of four lawmakers from Mexico on a three-day trip to Tucson to meet with local, state, federal and Indian officials, said American contribution toward Mexico's economic development would be mutually beneficial in helping solve his country's illegal immigration.

Lack of jobs and economic desperation is what drives hundreds of thousands of Mexicans to cross the border illegally every year seeking jobs here, according to Arnal Palomera.

He said the situation is most difficult in the states of Oaxaca, Zacatecas, Puebla, Guanajuato, Guerrero and Chiapas.

"It's cheapest for the United States to help Mexico to grow" by stimulating jobs and industry there than to continue to pay for "security, helicopters, Border Patrol, fences, walls," Arnal Palomera said.

He said he planned to deliver the same message during a scheduled meeting Friday with southern Arizona Reps. Jim Kolbe and Raul Grijalva.

The delegation met with Gov. Janet Napolitano for nearly a half-hour behind closed doors to discuss illegal immigration-related issues, including efforts of private groups patrolling the Arizona border.

Congressman Tarcisio Navarrette Montes de Oca, who headed the delegation, said the group proposed creating a binational working group of state, local and federal officials "to study, analyze and propose an urgent solution" to soaring deaths of Mexican migrants trying to cross the Arizona desert.

A record 145 illegal immigrants died during the past fiscal year, including 83 of heat exposure.

Arnal Palomera said he and his colleagues were concerned that ranchers and groups organizing patrols along the Arizona border have weapons and could cause a confrontation with illegal immigrants leading to violence.

Navarrette Montes said he hopes "to find a win-win solution for both countries and promote protection for human rights and we are open to promote commercial and economic exchange."

The group also met with Tucson Mayor Bob Walkup and the Tucson-Mexico Trade Office to develop new ways for improving trade activities - including improved rail connections.

©Santa Fe New Mexican 2003


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events; US: Arizona
KEYWORDS: az; borders; napolitano
Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first 1-5051-100101-150151-163 next last

1 posted on 01/10/2003 1:47:01 PM PST by hsmomx3
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | View Replies]

DONATE TODAY!!!.
SUPPORT FREE REPUBLIC

Donate Here By Secure Server

Or mail checks to
FreeRepublic , LLC
PO BOX 9771
FRESNO, CA 93794

or you can use

PayPal at Jimrob@psnw.com
STOP BY AND BUMP THE FUNDRAISER THREAD


2 posted on 01/10/2003 1:48:45 PM PST by Anti-Bubba182
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: madfly; Free the USA; B4Ranch; Tancredo Fan; Marine Inspector; Ajnin; agitator; Tancred; backhoe
Ping!
3 posted on 01/10/2003 1:51:23 PM PST by Madcelt (tis better to starve free, than live a fat slave!-Aesop)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: hsmomx3
Pre-911, helping Mexico could have been a win-win for Fox and Bush. Now, it's just too hard.
4 posted on 01/10/2003 1:54:49 PM PST by conservatism_IS_compassion
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: hsmomx3
Lack of jobs and economic desperation is what drives hundreds of thousands of Mexicans to cross the border illegally every year seeking jobs here, according to Arnal Palomera.

OK so this is our fault? We have to spend billions of OUR dollars to fix it? I guess everyone figures we enjoy being a candy store for the world.

5 posted on 01/10/2003 1:56:23 PM PST by Reaganwuzthebest
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: hsmomx3
Nonsense!! This is just a Mexican tactic to see it they can get a pool of gringo money to steal. The gringo money that did get through would simply say, "Look, if they are willing to send this too us, think how much we could get if we went up there."<p.There would NEVER be a word of thanks. Mexicans are arrogant and they have so little to be arrogant about.
6 posted on 01/10/2003 1:59:06 PM PST by Tacis (FLAMING BARBRA STREISAND!!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: hsmomx3
"1/2 hour closed door session"

Geez, I wonder what un-Godly deals were struck there.

If I were an AZ resident, I'd probably serve a life sentance for stringing up any polititian on a light post like the old days, for giving one penny to the Mexican government.

Not only is our own government bloated and saturated with tax money, now we have to make our neighboring countrys' economy viable.

This is indeed the beginning of the end.
7 posted on 01/10/2003 2:04:01 PM PST by taxed2death
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Reaganwuzthebest
It's not a matter of fault it's a simple matter of solution. If we want to solve the problem that's the best solution, like most functional solutions determining who screwed up is really a waste of effort. I think it's a crappy answer too, but it's the one that'll work.
8 posted on 01/10/2003 2:07:00 PM PST by discostu (Life sucks, humans are fallible, feces occurs... deal)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 5 | View Replies]

To: discostu
I think it's a crappy answer too, but it's the one that'll work.

You actually believe that throwing billions of dollars into Mexico will solve its problems? What has NAFTA done to keep illegals from coming here besides nothing?

It's time Mexico learned to stand on its own two feet, the US became a superpower without anyone's help. With all the resources that country has, they could and should be wealthy too.

9 posted on 01/10/2003 2:12:40 PM PST by Reaganwuzthebest
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 8 | View Replies]

To: hsmomx3
This crap has got to stop.

This is no different than what the North Koreans are trying to pull: international blackmail.

I'd rather spend extra money militarizing the southern border and maintaining what little sense of soveriegnty we have left.
10 posted on 01/10/2003 2:12:43 PM PST by x1stcav (HooAhh!!!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Reaganwuzthebest
Throwing? No. But I do know that the most effective way to stop massive Mexican immigration (legal and otherwise) is to make Mexico a place worth staying in. People leave the country in droves because it's poor and they can't feed they're family. Wise spending can accomlish a lot.

NAFTA in this case is a red herring, at the time NAFTA went through Mexico still had hardcore socialists in charge and the first thing they did was outlaw requesting a raise. Whatever NAFTA could have done for them went away the minute that was done (I believe that law is now gone). Also when you have as much unemployment as they have it takes a LOT of new jobs before the fuller employment begins lifting the wage scale.

It is time Mexico learned to stand on it's own feet. But remember the mess they're in was created by 80 years of socialism, you don't fix messes like that overnight. It's all a matter of timing. Eventually, if they manage to avoid sliding back into socialism, they will stand on their own feet, but that's a long way off. With guidance (and greenbacks) from us that necessary time can be shrunk drastically.

As for the resources they don't have anybody with the capital to get to them, they're being smart and not giving them away to foreign interests, they know the resources are the key. It's like having $10 million buried in your backyard but not being able to afford a shovel and the only people willing to lend you one want control of what's found.
11 posted on 01/10/2003 2:23:52 PM PST by discostu (Life sucks, humans are fallible, feces occurs... deal)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 9 | View Replies]

To: Reaganwuzthebest
MEXICO HAS OIL
MEXICO HAS LARGE MINERAL RESOURCES
MEXICO HAS EXCELLENT FARMLAND
MEXICO can take care of its own people...if its govt can get out of the way (like privatizing Pemex!)
12 posted on 01/10/2003 2:27:51 PM PST by kaktuskid
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 9 | View Replies]

To: discostu
"It's not a matter of fault it's a simple matter of solution. If we want to solve the problem that's the best solution, like most functional solutions determining who screwed up is really a waste of effort. I think it's a crappy answer too, but it's the one that'll work."

The best solution is to round up all the SOB's and send them back to the third world toilet they came from, and tell the Libs and the Soccer moms to kiss our a**. Then seal the border,and start putting anyone who knowingly hires an illegal, in jail. If the government doesn't start doing what we hired them to do I am willing to bet that within 3-5 years you will see a civil war in this country the likes of which will make the civil war of the 1800's pale in comparision.

13 posted on 01/10/2003 2:28:57 PM PST by JustAnAmerican
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 8 | View Replies]

To: discostu
You make a few moderately good points. But, will this be the final shakedown? No, really, I mean that. Will they promise and double-promise that this will be the final shakedown? Scout's honor?

OK. But, can we pay them in pennies?
14 posted on 01/10/2003 2:31:08 PM PST by lonewacko_dot_com (http://lonewacko.com/blog)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 11 | View Replies]

To: JustAnAmerican
Yeah right. Just round up a couple million people scattered randomly through out the nation and seal a 2000 mile long border on rough terrain. Easy stuff. I'm talking real world here not hypotheticals. If your solution were even remotely physically possible it would be the best solution, problem is there's no way it can be done.
15 posted on 01/10/2003 2:33:41 PM PST by discostu (Life sucks, humans are fallible, feces occurs... deal)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 13 | View Replies]

To: lonewacko_dot_com
No, the last shakedown won't occur until we say no a few times, that's just human psychology people (and nations) will continue to ask for handouts until you've proven they aren't getting anymore. The trick is to make this one work, so then we can say no without guilt (or give up and start saying no now, I'm hep to that).
16 posted on 01/10/2003 2:35:50 PM PST by discostu (Life sucks, humans are fallible, feces occurs... deal)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 14 | View Replies]

To: discostu
With guidance (and greenbacks) from us that necessary time can be shrunk drastically.

It isn't going to work because the environment that has created the mess in Mexico has shown no signs of going away. We cannot spend it into prosperity. Until they have created a system where the rule of law is supreme and free enterprise can thrive without government interference, giving them money is like throwing it down a black hole.

17 posted on 01/10/2003 2:36:24 PM PST by Reaganwuzthebest
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 11 | View Replies]

To: Reaganwuzthebest
IMHO that's the kind of stuff the money should be spent on, creating the infrastructure necessary to actually have that kind of society.
18 posted on 01/10/2003 2:37:39 PM PST by discostu (Life sucks, humans are fallible, feces occurs... deal)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 17 | View Replies]

To: kaktuskid
Mexico has such abundant resources they could be as wealthy as Japan. They need more than a change of leadership, they need a whole new system.
19 posted on 01/10/2003 2:40:01 PM PST by Reaganwuzthebest
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 12 | View Replies]

To: kaktuskid
Hmmm .... so let's conquer it. Sell the resources, buy back the American debt and develop it.
20 posted on 01/10/2003 2:41:43 PM PST by Centurion2000 (Darth Crackerhead)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 12 | View Replies]

To: hsmomx3
Hmmm... maybe there is an idea here. The Romans used allied barbarian tribes to protect their borders from other barbarian tribes. Maybe we can pay those Mexican jurisdictions bordering us to protect our border from migrants from the South. Would be cheaper, and potentially more effective.

Of course, the intent of our Federal Government is to keep the border porous, so Dems can import voters, and so Pizza Hut can sell pizzas more profitably. The cost of border security has never been the issue, has it?

21 posted on 01/10/2003 2:43:01 PM PST by Plutarch
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: hsmomx3
Does the Mexican government EVER do anything to try to help their own people (besides encouraging them to illegally enter the U.S.)?
22 posted on 01/10/2003 2:43:05 PM PST by judgeandjury
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: hsmomx3
i doubt that because one of the effects of nafta is the destruction of mexican agriculture by american agribusiness.

since the majority of immigrants are rural, i expect an increase in illegal immigration.

23 posted on 01/10/2003 2:44:09 PM PST by koax
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: discostu
People leave the country in droves because it's poor and they can't feed they're family.

Most of the people in Mexico may be poor, but the country of Mexico is not poor.

24 posted on 01/10/2003 2:45:43 PM PST by judgeandjury
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 11 | View Replies]

To: judgeandjury
No the country of Mexico is poor. There are a lot of resources in the ground, but no companies that can foot the bill to get to them. Much like how Syberia would stop being poor if somebody could figure out a decent way to carve through the permafrost. Resources in the ground don't accomplish anything, they're potential riches but they aren't riches.
25 posted on 01/10/2003 2:47:40 PM PST by discostu (Life sucks, humans are fallible, feces occurs... deal)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 24 | View Replies]

To: discostu
Mexico has had over a 1,000 years to solve its economic problems.

A gift from America cannot change a culture which relies on fraud, graft, and payoffs to deliver goods and services to its citizens.

26 posted on 01/10/2003 2:53:10 PM PST by Tripleplay
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 11 | View Replies]

To: discostu
Yeah right. Just round up a couple million people scattered randomly through out the nation and seal a 2000 mile long border on rough terrain. Easy stuff. I'm talking real world here not hypotheticals. If your solution were even remotely physically possible it would be the best solution, problem is there's no way it can be done.

We wouldn't need to round up any illegal aliens if we simply enforced existing laws against American employers who hire illegal aliens, plus cut off ALL social services to illegal aliens. No jobs, no welfare, no food stamps, no free medical care, and no free schooling = no attraction for illegal aliens to come here or continue to stay here.

27 posted on 01/10/2003 2:54:09 PM PST by judgeandjury
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 15 | View Replies]

To: discostu
"Yeah right. Just round up a couple million people scattered randomly through out the nation and seal a 2000 mile long border on rough terrain. Easy stuff. I'm talking real world here not hypotheticals."

And I suppose it's better to pay Mexico off every time they say money will fix the problem? Remember NAFTA and all the Billions sunk into Mexico by the US taxpayer? That really stopped illegal immigration huh? What I suggested can be done, and I am getting mighty tired of people saying it cannot be done. Guess you feel we should

(1) Give them amnesty?
(2)Pay them off with US taxpayers money?

I am just telling you that from all the things I am hearing on the street, things are coming to a boil, Americans are getting tired of the "Press 1 for English 2 for Spanish" culture. You would be surprised what a couple of hundred Million pissed off Americans can do if the Politicians will not.

28 posted on 01/10/2003 2:54:51 PM PST by JustAnAmerican
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 15 | View Replies]

To: Tripleplay
Wrong set of economic problems. Most of the ones they're dealing with now were created in the 20th century. They had a socialist government longer than any other nation on earth (though China will probably pass them soon), look at eastern Europe right after Russia's collapse. Mexico is cleaning up the same mess.
29 posted on 01/10/2003 2:56:10 PM PST by discostu (Life sucks, humans are fallible, feces occurs... deal)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 26 | View Replies]

To: hsmomx3
Heaven help us.
30 posted on 01/10/2003 2:57:44 PM PST by neutrino
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: judgeandjury
Of course you still have to find them first. The laws should be enforced better when we catch employers hiring illegals, but even with 100% enforcement of those that get caught most will probably never get caught. As for the social services, well most of those should end period since they're just commie wealth redistribution so you'll get no arguement from me on that issue.
31 posted on 01/10/2003 2:58:07 PM PST by discostu (Life sucks, humans are fallible, feces occurs... deal)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 27 | View Replies]

To: hsmomx3; Free the USA; B4Ranch; Tom_Tancredo_Fan; Marine Inspector; Ajnin; Tancred; backhoe; ...
"It's cheapest for the United States to help Mexico to grow" by stimulating jobs and industry there than to continue to pay for "security, helicopters, Border Patrol, fences, walls," Arnal Palomera said.

Wonder what what the border governors and the bi-national groups will want next week. Napolitano was on ABC this week this month asking for more Federal Money to support the skyrocketing health care and court system charges brougt about by the flow of illegal aliens. There are quite a few bi-national groups that meet year round and plan these media events.

Anyone in Tucson tomorrow may want to attend this event by a man also looking for solutions.

SPENCER IN TUCSON TOMORROW, JAN. 11
Glenn Spencer of American Border Patrol will appear at a meeting of Arizonans for Immigration Reform tomorrow, Saturday, January 11, at 1:30 p.m. The meeting will be held at The Himmel Park library at 1035 N Treat Ave., Tucson, AZ 85716 (9 blocks east of N. Campbell and 1 block south of E. Speedway). The ABP MIST/BorderCam system will be on display.
For information, call 520-298-1939.

32 posted on 01/10/2003 2:58:27 PM PST by madfly (Anyone wanting info on border cam plans for Sunday, click private reply.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

Comment #33 Removed by Moderator

To: discostu
No the country of Mexico is poor. There are a lot of resources in the ground, but no companies that can foot the bill to get to them.

If no Mexican company can get the job done, then the Mexican government should contract with a foreign company to come in and do the job. Like I said before, the country of Mexico is not poor. They just have a lot of natural resources that have yet to be developed.

34 posted on 01/10/2003 2:59:18 PM PST by judgeandjury
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 25 | View Replies]

To: hsmomx3; _Jim
The John Birch Society warned me that this was going to happen way back in '64. Run away \(^o^)/
35 posted on 01/10/2003 3:03:15 PM PST by LibTeeth
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: JustAnAmerican
Nope. It's better to fix they're economy with their help or without it, a point I've already made on this thread. I've aso already addressed why NAFTA didn't work (socialist government in action).

Don't put words in my mouth. I've stated EXACTLY what I think should be done, and your strawman list wasn't in it.

I don't give a crap what you're "hearing from the street", I'm just telling you the reality of the situation. It is not now, nor is it likely to be, possible to deport all the illegal aliens and/ or seal the border. Cannot be done, all the pissing and moaning on "the street" isn't going to change what's possible, and as long as the demands of the people can't be accomplished there's not much reason to try to appease them.

Things aren't coming to a boil, there isn't going to be a revolution, people have been making the same dire predictions as long as I've been alive and probably longer and they have yet to be right even once. You'd be suprised just how few Americans are terribly concerned about much of anything, most folks get up in the morning, go to work, and basically don't give a crap. That's why 15 million voters was an amazing miracle that tested our ability to get the vote counted. If only 15 million are willing to let their opinion be known when it's asked just what makes you think 200 million will "rise up" of their own volition. Ain't gonna happen.
36 posted on 01/10/2003 3:04:26 PM PST by discostu (Life sucks, humans are fallible, feces occurs... deal)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 28 | View Replies]

To: judgeandjury
No the Mexican government SHOULDN'T contract with a foreign company, for all the same reasons we get scared when major manufacturing companies move out of America. They want to keep the money within Mexico, if somebody else comes in and taps the resources most (and possibly all) of the money will leave Mexico, which leaves them in the same mess they're in now only they don't have the resources in the ground anymore.

Like I said they ARE poor. Untapped resources aren't wealth, they're potential wealth. What you're effectively saying is that an elevator at the top floor of a tall building is descending rapidly simply because if you cut the cable it would. Until those resources are tapped (the cable is cut), in a way that keeps the wealth in Mexico, it's a poor country.
37 posted on 01/10/2003 3:07:57 PM PST by discostu (Life sucks, humans are fallible, feces occurs... deal)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 34 | View Replies]

To: discostu
I repeat

A gift from America cannot change a culture which relies on fraud, graft, and payoffs to deliver goods and services to its citizens.

Venture capital cannot be enticed to invest in a corrupt society.

38 posted on 01/10/2003 3:08:49 PM PST by Tripleplay
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 29 | View Replies]

To: Reaganwuzthebest
Simple solution - we print pesos and hand them out at the border. The trade-off is the person taking the pesos can't cross the border into here.
39 posted on 01/10/2003 3:10:33 PM PST by Bernard
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 5 | View Replies]

To: discostu
WE THE PEOPLE make up enough of a population to solve this problem. Since the government utterly refuses to enforce the law, coalitions should file lawsuits against firms employing illegal aliens - if nothing more than harassment and bad publicity. If this doesn't persuade seditionist employers, then at least the court awards will underwrite local militias that can form roving patrols.

The "problem", according to the article is to make staying in Mexico more enticing than illegal entry into the Estados Unidos. Their solution requires looting honest people as a form of endless extortion. The "solution" should be one of making it more rewarding to stay south of the Rio Grande. If there are zero rewards in the US, then whatever there is in Mexico would seem "more rewarding".

Unfortunately, this crap from the cultural Marxists that "all cultures are the same" leads the non-thinking American into believing that "prosperity happens", not that contracts should be honored, property not seized, rule of law, not rule by the connected, and an educated and skilled workforce should be in place. Instead they think that just pouring someone else's money into the area will cure all ills.

I am seeing the economic fall of the united States as a good thing. As less and less money come in to be pissed away by the politicians, they often punish the taxpayers by releasing criminals into society, closing parks, ending road construction, and stiffing the hospitals. The politicians strike back at the taxpayer by preserving wealth transfer schemes (midnight basketball,studies on the mating habits of sea turtles,etc.) and waging war against the taxpayer by failing to do that which is mandated by the Constitution. As the taxpayer realizes that the politicians have greater allegiance to the Parasites and contempt for the Producers then more and more people will rally to the cause and decide that rationing what little services we have left with illegal aliens is counterproductive. The seed of resentment often grows into a tree of rebellion. The down side to this, is that almost every time this happens, a charismatic leader arises and ultimately gains tyrannical control by promising to fix all of the problems overnight - the people who are at wits end will give away everything in the hopes of ending the present evil. The trump card here is that the communist media will sling mud at any "savior" that appears to be conservative, and the left certainly won't ever take up the "Language, Borders, Culure" cause.

The average sheeple will toe the PC line until their child is denied medical care because the hospital ran out of money performing expensive surgery on scores of illegal aliens. When the sheeple discover that their children are as ill equiped to compete in the modern world as those from the turd world nations, and they are taught that it is because their child's progress is tied to the progress of non-English speaking, then even more resentment will grow.

This is one of the reasons why we need school vouchers. That way we can put an actual dollar figure on the amount of taxpayer money that is confiscated from the hardworking citizens of this country and lavished on the thieves and parasites from the turd world.
40 posted on 01/10/2003 3:11:27 PM PST by Dr Warmoose
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 15 | View Replies]

To: Tripleplay
And I repeat: that's what the money should be used to try to fix. No where am I supporting a blind gift, no where are the people in this article calling for a blind gift. Focused expenditure of money to fix the root problem. It can be done. Now do you have a counter to what I'm ACTUALLY saying or are you going to continue to errect strawmen and place false words in my mouth?
41 posted on 01/10/2003 3:11:34 PM PST by discostu (Life sucks, humans are fallible, feces occurs... deal)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 38 | View Replies]

To: Bernard
Simple solution - we print pesos and hand them out at the border.

Lol hey that's a great idea. It's not like it will cause Mexico's economy to implode since it's already at the bottom.

42 posted on 01/10/2003 3:12:25 PM PST by Reaganwuzthebest
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 39 | View Replies]

To: discostu
It's not a matter of fault it's a simple matter of solution. If we want to solve the problem that's the best solution, like most functional solutions determining who screwed up is really a waste of effort. I think it's a crappy answer too, but it's the one that'll work.

I have a good solution that will work. Deduct all our expenses spent dealing with Mexican illegals from our foreign aid to Mexico.

I guarantee Mexico will snap the border closed in a heartbeat.

43 posted on 01/10/2003 3:13:40 PM PST by RJL
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 8 | View Replies]

To: hsmomx3
Vincente muses," Hmmmm, we make trouble, the U.S. pays; therefore, more trouble must we make!"

Dasboot muses, "Bass Akwards!: we should make it too expensive for Mexicans to flout U.S. law!"

44 posted on 01/10/2003 3:13:46 PM PST by dasboot
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: hsmomx3
TUCSON, Ariz. - Economic aid targeted to 50 regions in just six Mexican states could cut illegal immigration to the United States in half, a Mexican congressman said Thursday.

A stinking lie. Don't believe a word from creepy Mexican politicos. They will tell any lie they think will resonate with our stupid liberals.

45 posted on 01/10/2003 3:17:02 PM PST by dennisw (http://www.littlegreenfootballs.com/weblog/weblog.php)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Dr Warmoose
But again you have to find out IF they're employing illegals, then you've got to prove it in a court of law. Neither of these tasks are all that easy.

That is the problem, Mexico sucks and people are willing to walk hundreds of miles in the desert in July to get the hell out of the place. I don't know if you've been out in the desert in July, but doing 5 minutes outside in 110 degrees will teach you a lot about how crappy Mexico is.

Again I don't see ANYONE calling for "pouring money in", I see people calling to fix the problem which WILL require money, nothing in this world is free. I don't know why everybody on your side of this debate insists on describing what their asking for in terms that they aren't asking for. They are specifically looking for money to fix the border provinces by encouraging business and ownrship. They're even smart enough to want to focus efforts on the border provinces where it will have the most effect on illegal immigrants.

Oh yea another doom crier, we need a new section on FR for people predicting the end of America so the rest of us can ignore. No doom crier has been right yet, the empirical evidence is against you.
46 posted on 01/10/2003 3:18:02 PM PST by discostu (Life sucks, humans are fallible, feces occurs... deal)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 40 | View Replies]

To: madfly; discostu; Reaganwuzthebest; taxed2death
There are roughly 4 million people living in Puerto Rico, that's approximately 1 million families.

We're sending Puerto Rico between $15 to $20 billion dollars this year alone. That's a check for $15 to $20 thousand dollars to every family in Puerto Rico from the U.S. Taxpayers.

We've been sending Puerto Rico billions every year like this for decades and they are nowhere near able to stand on their own!

If we go down the same road with Mexico that we did with Puerto Rico, we'll never see an end to it.

47 posted on 01/10/2003 3:18:59 PM PST by 4Freedom
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 32 | View Replies]

To: hsmomx3
Arnal Palomera said he and his colleagues were concerned that ranchers and groups organizing patrols along the Arizona border have weapons and could cause a confrontation with illegal immigrants leading to violence.

Why, we can't have any of that! Defending their land, like the original Patriots who shed their blood defending their farms and villages against the British?

Don't they know: Someone might get hurt! Tell them to just surrender (their property, their rights, their liberty). Nobody is going to "hurt" anyone, just so long as everyone bows down and worships Big Brother!

48 posted on 01/10/2003 3:20:03 PM PST by BenR2
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: discostu
"Things aren't coming to a boil, there isn't going to be a revolution, people have been making the same dire predictions as long as I've been alive and probably longer and they have yet to be right even once."

Guess my memory must be failing me then.When has there ever been an event like 9-11? When in the history of this country have we had this many illegal aliens enter in such a short span of time? Hell even the immigration events of the late 1800's and early 1900's at least brought people to this country that worked hard, and learned and taught their children English. What part of illegal in illegal-aliens don't you understand?
(/Sarcasm on)
Heck since we can never hope to catch and lock up all criminals why not just stop trying? Thats what it sounds like you are saying to me. Since you don't think we can do it then lets not try. Lots of folks that rob others for a living would probably not do it any more if we just paid them to stop right?
(/sarcasm off)
The point is that you may not think Americans are tired of this Pay em off or Give em amnesty cr*p, and in your mind maybe you really believe that, but most Americans are fed up with the illegal immigration problem.

49 posted on 01/10/2003 3:20:03 PM PST by JustAnAmerican
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 36 | View Replies]

To: RJL
I like that solution, smooth and effective, with just a hint of "f#ck off". That's the kind of solution that speeks to me. Hard to sell to the rest of the country though, unfortunately there just aren't enough of us cold blooded realists in the world.
50 posted on 01/10/2003 3:20:12 PM PST by discostu (Life sucks, humans are fallible, feces occurs... deal)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 43 | View Replies]


Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first 1-5051-100101-150151-163 next last

Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.

Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

FreeRepublic, LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794
FreeRepublic.com is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson