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Tax Protester Told to Stop Giving Advice
Associated Press ^ | Mon, Jan. 13, 2003 | MARC LEVY

Posted on 01/13/2003 1:26:05 PM PST by heyhey

Edited on 04/13/2004 3:30:09 AM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

HARRISBURG, Pa. - A tax protester who allegedly promotes a bogus legal loophole to convince people they owe no taxes was ordered by a federal judge to stop the practice and turn over his clients' records.

The order came Friday in the government's effort to force Thurston Bell of Hanover to stop giving clients allegedly false tax advice and charging large fees for filing tax returns.


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To: blackdog
"we all share equally in the burden of paying taxes don't we???????"

No, actually we don't. Top 50% of wage earners pay 96+% of income taxes. Source: IRS
41 posted on 01/13/2003 5:30:55 PM PST by jaugust
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To: jaugust

Something the tax-and-spend liberals do not like to admit come tax reform time.

42 posted on 01/13/2003 5:34:00 PM PST by Cultural Jihad
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To: heyhey

Seems to me that the burden of proof should lie with the Government. If he's so bad then it shouldn't be any trouble to prove it, right?

43 posted on 01/13/2003 5:36:31 PM PST by Jhoffa_ (We have vays of making you zee the movie, mister Cmsgop.. You vill buy da action figures also.)
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To: SoDak
Is it against the law for me to do people's taxes for them?

The key word here is 'selling'. Unless you are a certified public accountant, or licensed to do so ... you may be sued for your efforts. The issue is 'selling' your talents. Whether it's a haircut, oil change, or even recommending a stock. You have to be licensed.

44 posted on 01/13/2003 5:39:10 PM PST by Hodar
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To: weikel

There's a pressing issue which will certainly resonate with about .025% of lucid voters. ;)

45 posted on 01/13/2003 5:42:21 PM PST by Cultural Jihad
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To: Hodar
So unless you are willing to do it the way the Government dictates you have no right to be in business?
46 posted on 01/13/2003 5:45:00 PM PST by The Obstinate Insomniac
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To: Jhoffa_
Seems to me that the burden of proof should lie with the Government. If he's so bad then it shouldn't be any trouble to prove it, right?

Try reading the article again. Bell is in court. The judge has issued the order. Presumably, the gov't has already presented a sufficient case for the judge to do so, because judges just don't issue orders like that on their personal whim. Just because Bell tells the press that he's innocent (as everyone being prosecuted is known to do) is no reason for you to take his word that there's no evidence against him.

47 posted on 01/13/2003 5:48:26 PM PST by PatrickHenry (PH is really a great guy!)
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To: jaugust
It was a joke....Sorry
48 posted on 01/13/2003 5:48:31 PM PST by blackdog
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To: Cultural Jihad
"Something the tax-and-spend liberals do not like to admit come tax reform time."

And which is why the BIG THREE networks, which still has a loud voice in America are better at getting the liberal message out about "tax breaks for the rich." Don't know how many times I've had to dispell stories heard by my colleagues at work over something they've heard from RatherJenningsBrokaw that was either only partly true or not true at all. It is to weep, sometimes.
49 posted on 01/13/2003 5:52:03 PM PST by jaugust
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To: blackdog
"It was a joke....Sorry"

No apologies needed...I'm tired and cranky so it went over my head...way over, in fact. So my apologies to you.
Cheers!
50 posted on 01/13/2003 5:54:27 PM PST by jaugust
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To: jaugust
It's the same as with the public schools teaching the Marxist ideas about how "America has one-tenth of the world's population but consumes one-half of its resources" as if one-tenth of the world's population doesn't really create one-half of its wealth, and are not entitled to enjoy the wealth they create if they do.
51 posted on 01/13/2003 5:56:31 PM PST by Cultural Jihad
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To: Cultural Jihad
Well okay given that tariffs have decreased since WH Taft's Presidency Kennedy's tariff reductions can be valid too.
52 posted on 01/13/2003 5:56:59 PM PST by weikel (Mercy to the Guilty is Cruelty to the Innocent)
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To: Jhoffa_

Seems to me that the burden of proof should lie with the Government. If he's so bad then it shouldn't be any trouble to prove it, right?

Seems to me the government has met the burden.

The government has answered repeatedly in no uncertain terms through Congress, the IRS, DOJ and the Courts.

Here's the IRS's written positions and answers on numerous protest positions:

FRIVOLOUS FILING POSITION BASED ON SECTION 861

NonFiler Enforcement Program

Here's the Department of Justice's written position on common tax protest positions:

DOJ CRIMINAL JUSTICE MANUAL, Section 40 TAX PROTESTORS

A comprehensive FAQ compiled by a lawyer of all the Tax Protest arguments that have failed repeatedly and why:

THE TAX PROTEST FAQ

And there are of course the many Court cases from the Article III Courts, (i.e. federal district, appellate, & Supreme Court) that support all the above.

The ultimate place to go for the answers, is Congress. They, afterall are the ones ultimately responsible for the condition of the Statutes, Regulations and Executive Orders. It is Congress in the end the enacts the enabling legislation and accepts or rejects the content of all Regulations and E.O.s.

The Courts have made it abundantly clear that the arguments presented in the above texts are failed and decided, and provide no relief to the defendant. Infact they have also made it very clear as to where to turn for relief from the very beginning as regards the income tax law.

Springer v. United States(1880), 102 U.S. 586

  • "If the laws here in question involved any wrong or unnecessary harshness, it was for Congress, or the people who make congresses, to see that the evil was corrected.
    The remedy does not lie with the judicial branch of the government.
    "
  • Champion v. Ames(1903), 186 U.S. 321

    And the standard you must meet to have a successful court case as regards arguments of Tax Law constitutionality:

    MCCRAY v. U S, 195 U.S. 27 (1904)

    And finally, for a blow by blow of the judgements of modern tax cases where many of the arguments bantered about in this thread have had their day-in-court:

    Quatloo's Tax Protestor Gallery

    Study the losses, find out why they occurred then build a strategy around something new instead of repeating the same old tired and dead as a door nail tactics. Judges get bored too, and when a Judge gets bored he throws the argument out as frivolous (we heard it before and weren't impressed) and tacks on a few more $K (FRNs acceptable but they will take payment in gold if you insist) on top of whatever else has been laid on you.

    Better yet, pound on Congress Critters, and get the law changed. A much more likely scenario than using the same old arguments that have failed hundreds of times.

    But then there are those who insist on doing it the hard way:

    United States v. Sloan, 939 F.2d 499 (7th Cir. 1991)
    Argued that there is no law imposing a tax on income, that "freeborn" state citizens are exempt from income tax, and that an individual is not a"person" under the tax code.


    A good article published in John Birch Society's "The New American" to read and consider:

    Patriot Beware!
    by Thomas R. Eddlem

    http://www.thenewamerican.com/tna/1997/vo13no04/vo13no04_patriot.htm

    53 posted on 01/13/2003 5:58:16 PM PST by ancient_geezer
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    To: Poohbah
    Nonresident aliens who do not have receive income from any source inside the United States. In other words, if you live in Pakistan, are not a US citizen, and do not receive income from any source within the United States, you don't owe US income taxes.

    And that is the totality of Thurston Bell's "strategery." You simply claim that you are a nonresident alien with no income from any source inside the United States.

    Can you point to the section or regulation where it says that only nonresident aliens are to use Section 861 to determine taxable income from sources within the United States?

    54 posted on 01/13/2003 5:59:51 PM PST by mvpel
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    To: ancient_geezer
    "not for revenue, but solely for the purpose of destroying rights"

    Sounds like liberalism to me...
    55 posted on 01/13/2003 6:06:08 PM PST by jaugust
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    To: PatrioticAmerican
    That's an "item" of income. Income has to come from a "source" in order for it to fall within the statutory and regulatory definition of "gross income," according to the Section 861 argument.
    56 posted on 01/13/2003 6:11:04 PM PST by mvpel
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    To: mvpel
    Can you point to the section or regulation where it says that only nonresident aliens are to use Section 861 to determine taxable income from sources within the United States?

    Let's try Title 26, Subtitle A, Chapter 1, Subchapter A, Part I, Section 1.

    That imposes a tax based on the income of any US citizen or resident alien from whatever source derived.

    Let's try Title 26, Subtitle A, Chapter 1, Subchapter N, Part II, Section 871:

    Except as provided in subsection (h), there is hereby imposed for each taxable year a tax of 30 percent of the amount received from sources within the United States by a nonresident alien individual... (followed by a description of what gets taxed, which refers extensively to Part I, Section 861).

    Subchapter N, Part I, Section 861 only gives you the rules for determining what is and isn't taxable income if you fall under Subchapter N, Part II, Section 871--i.e., if you are a nonresident alien.

    If you're not a nonresident alien, you compute your taxable income using Chapter 1, Subchapter B.

    Yes, the rules ARE different if you're a US resident as opposed to a nonresident alien.

    57 posted on 01/13/2003 6:13:50 PM PST by Poohbah (When you're not looking, this tag line says something else.)
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    To: heyhey
    IF YOU WANT THIS MAN – AND MEN LIKE HIM – TO REMAIN IN CONTROL OF YOUR ECONOMIC AND PERSONAL DESTINY, CONTINUE TO TOLERATE THE CURRENT MARXIST INCOME TAX SYSTEM.

    ONE MORE TIME:

    IT’S ABOUT

    P O W E R AND C O N T R O L!!

    SIGN THE PETITION AT HTTP://WWW.VOTR.ORG. Then find out how you can do more to end America’s peculiar SPRING MADNESS.


    58 posted on 01/13/2003 6:15:13 PM PST by Dick Bachert
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    To: PatrickHenry
    Presumably, the gov't has already presented a sufficient case for the judge to do so, because judges just don't issue orders like that on their personal whim.

    What world do you live in? Judges have a personal vested interest in the income tax continuing to be a money well for the government. They have reason to believe that their continued salary payments depend on it.

    This was not a trial with a jury, just a judicial hearing. He should not be deprived of any rights until a jury says so. Of course the jury will be lied to as well, but at least he has a little chance there.

    59 posted on 01/13/2003 6:20:24 PM PST by Mike4Freedom
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    To: mvpel; Poohbah

    Can you point to the section or regulation where it says that only nonresident aliens are to use Section 861 to determine taxable income from sources within the United States?

    Doesn't matter as, compensation for labor or services earned in the United States by United States Citizens is treated as income from sources within the United States under 861 with certain exceptions applying to nonresident aliens.

    26 USC Sec. 861. Income from sources within the United States
    (a) Gross income from sources within United States
    The following items of gross income shall be treated as
    income from sources
    (activities) within the United States

    3) Personal services
    Compensation for labor or personal services performed in the United States;

    EXCEPT that compensation for labor or services
    performed in the United States
    shall not be deemed to be income
    from sources within the United States if -

    (A) the labor or services are performed by a nonresident
    alien
    individual temporarily present in the United States for a period or periods not exceeding a total of 90 days during the
    taxable year,
    (B) such compensation does not exceed $3,000 in the
    aggregate, and
    (C) the compensation is for labor or services performed as an
    employee of or under a contract with

    (i) a nonresident alien, foreign partnership, or foreign
    corporation
    , not engaged in trade or business within the
    United States, or
    (ii) an individual who is a citizen or resident of the
    United States
    , a domestic partnership, or a domestic corporation, if such labor or services are performed for an office or place of business maintained in a foreign country
    or in a possession of the United States by such individual, partnership, or corporation.
    In addition, except for purposes of sections 79 and 105 and
    subchapter D, compensation for labor or services performed in the
    United States shall not be deemed to be income from sources
    within the United States if the labor or services are performed
    by a nonresident alien individual in connection with the
    individual's temporary presence in the United States as a regular
    member of the crew of a foreign vessel engaged in transportation
    between the United States and a foreign country or a possession
    of the United States.

    If You are a citizen of the United States earning a wage in the United States, you get to include your wages in computation of the tax you owe.

     

    26 USC 7805(a) Rules and regulations
    (a) Authorization - … the Secretary [of the Treasury] shall prescribe all needful rules and regulations for the enforcement of this title [Title 26]…" [26 USC § 7805]

    Thus under amplifying Treasury regulations for 26 USC 1, 26 CFR 1.1-1(a),(b)

    Sec. 1.1-1 Income tax on individuals.

    (a) General rule. (1) Section 1 of the Code imposes an income tax on the income of every individual who is a citizen or resident of the United States and, to the extent provided by section 871(b) or 877(b), on the income of a nonresident alien individual.

    (b) Citizens or residents of the United States liable to tax. In general, all citizens of the United States, wherever resident, and all resident alien individuals are liable to the income taxes imposed by the Code whether the income is received from sources within or without the United States.


    60 posted on 01/13/2003 6:22:16 PM PST by ancient_geezer
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