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Homeschooler Seeks To Particpate In After-School Activities
Bucks County Courier Times ^ | 14 Jan 03 | JOAN HELLYER

Posted on 01/14/2003 7:10:34 AM PST by Lancey Howard

Home-schooled student seeks to participate in activities By JOAN HELLYER Bucks County Courier Times

Jason Keating brought his grade point average up from B-C to A-B in less than a year and points to home schooling as the key to his success.

"I love it. I work at my own pace. I have more time for more work," said Jason, 15, who attended William Tennent High School in the Centennial School District last year.

He and his parents decided to try the home-school route this year to avoid the "distractions" Jason said he ran into in class during the 2001-02 school year.

Although he no longer attends the Warminster high school, Jason said he still wants to be a member of Tennent's bowling team, as he was last school year.

"I really like the sport. It's not like you're told what to do. You make your own decisions. If you make a mistake, it's your fault. It's a very mental game," said Jason, who recorded a 202 average during last month's preparations to join the team.

But district administrators recently informed the Keatings that Jason could not be a member of the bowling team because Centennial bars home-schooled students from participating in extracurricular activities.

Jason and his mother, Lynette Keating, plan to ask the school board tonight to change the policy.

"We have paid our taxes. At least let the kids try. Don't just give a flat-out no," Lynette Keating said.

Technically, Jason could sign up to bowl for Neshaminy High School because the border separating that district and Centennial runs through his family's property, Lynette Keating said. Part of the family's land is in Upper Southampton and the rest in Lower Southampton, which is served by the Neshaminy School District.

Neshaminy began allowing home-schooled kids to take part in extracurricular activities last year. But Jason said he wants to bowl for Tennent.

"I feel if we push this, it would not just be good for me, but also other [home-schooled] students," Jason said.

The issue, according to Superintendent David Blatt, is not about Jason, who "by all accounts is a great kid and from what I understand a pretty good bowler, too." Blatt said it's just not possible for him to allow a student to do something that goes against board policy. The policy is based on concerns surrounding eligibility and liability issues, he said.

Although the issue is not included on the board's agenda tonight, Blatt said he included a copy of Lynette Keating's initial letter inquiring about Jason's participation on the bowling team in the information packet sent to board members last week.

During the public comment portion of the meeting tonight, the board will listen to what the Keatings have to say, board President Joan Jankowsky said. Then, following standard procedure, the board will ask the administration to provide it with a history of the issue, as well as a recommendation from its point of view, the president said.

"The board will take action dependent upon all of the information," Jankowsky said.

The Centennial school board meeting begins at 7:30 p.m. It will be held in the boardroom at the Johnsville Administration Building off Centennial Road in Warminster.

Joan Hellyer can be reached at 215-322-9714 or jhellyer@phillyBurbs.com.

January 14, 2003 5:35 AM


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Front Page News; Government; News/Current Events; US: Pennsylvania
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To: amused
They will probably use some argument saying many taxpayers pay into the system but cannot join after-school teams such as private schooled children.

Why stop there? Let's have every person who pays taxes be able to participate!

I admire homeschoolers. It's the equivalent of putting your money where you mouth is; but this particular argument is straight out of the liberal handbook.

41 posted on 01/14/2003 2:18:59 PM PST by Howlin
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To: Howlin
Magnet schools are wonderful, but they are also a way to AVOID providing those classes to all for reasons of expense.

That is true. There may be only a handful of students in a district that can keep up with an advance curriculum. It is certainly more cost effective to put all of those kids in one school rather that run several small programs at each school.

42 posted on 01/14/2003 2:21:22 PM PST by TankerKC
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To: unixfox
I don't care for it or agree with it, but it's something I put up with and don't lose any sleep over. And one of my children is now in a public high school (because of their International Bacaulaurette program), I'm paying into a system that does support my daughter's present education.
43 posted on 01/14/2003 2:42:59 PM PST by Celtjew Libertarian
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To: Howlin
Why stop there? Let's have every person who pays taxes be able to participate!

That is what I was originally thinking.

However, I consider it a poke in the eye of critics citing the "socialization" issue with homeschoolers. It makes quite the spectacle for one to plead for the need of "socialization" in the "unique" environment of public school then to deny homeschoolers that opportunity in the form of after-school activities.

You are correct that one must be careful when adopting such a policy.

44 posted on 01/14/2003 3:00:42 PM PST by amused (socialism is totalitarianism in sheep's clothing)
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To: Celtjew Libertarian
If this student's family thinks that the public school isn't good enough for the education of their child, why would they want their child involved in the school's extracurricular activities?

THAT is the first question that occurred to me when I read about this case. It is certainly understandable for (good) parents to wish to shield their children from liberal teachers, the NEA, and all the scum that comes with a government school, but then why turn around and fight to get your kid exposed to the same crap even if only on the periphery in after-school activities? On the surface, it doesn't make sense.

45 posted on 01/14/2003 3:58:15 PM PST by Lancey Howard (Tag line (optional, printed after your name on post):)
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To: Lancey Howard
I'd say a good education instead of a bowling trophy was a fair exchange.
46 posted on 01/14/2003 4:05:44 PM PST by Flashman_at_the_charge
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To: Howlin; Celtjew Libertarian; amused; mil-vet
Be careful what you ask for here: according to your logic, you're opening up the school/system to particpation by ALL members of the community.

I hear you on that account, but check out post #31.

Participation in extracurricular activities at the school a homeschooler would normally attend should be automatic. That's the way it is here in Texas!

The key is "would normally attend".

47 posted on 01/14/2003 4:07:29 PM PST by Lancey Howard (Tag line (optional, printed after your name on post):)
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To: Under the Radar
Good post. Personally, I have to wonder why anyond would let their kids play ball at a school they wouldn't want them them to attend.
48 posted on 01/14/2003 4:17:54 PM PST by flyervet (This space for rent)
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To: mil-vet
By that logic, adult tax payers should expect to be able to use the pool at their local highschooler.
49 posted on 01/14/2003 4:22:49 PM PST by flyervet (This space for rent)
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To: Lancey Howard; homeschool mama; ladylib; Domestic Church
I think the solution to this issue is whether the school district claims federal funding for the homeschooled child. If the school district is receiving its $7,000 per pupil on the homeschoolers, then I believe it is only fair that homeschoolers be able to participate in public school sports. If the district is not, then the homeschooling family should stay away from the school. Which may be a good idea anyway.
50 posted on 01/14/2003 5:13:31 PM PST by Kuksool (The NEA is the Great Satan)
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To: Howlin
"They don't like the public schools and don't sent their kids there, even though it's a big hassel."

Many, many home educate because of health reasons...it's a matter of survival to those families with chronic illness or severe immune problems. There are myriad reasons behind this education movement not to mention the philosophical and political ones.
51 posted on 01/14/2003 5:50:08 PM PST by Domestic Church
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To: Kuksool
In Pennsylvania many school districts solicit the social security numbers of the homeschooled kids precisely to milk the federal/state monies that they can...while not allowing extra curricular stuff and often while continuing to harass the home educator. In PA as in many states the kids are the equivalent of so many thousand dollars per year to the districts and they see this untapped source as their due ( approx. $7000 per kid for 12 years is a good chunk especially when one considers the big families doing this.) I'm not interested in the extra curriculars but I would like to see the institutional discrimination against the PA home educator stopped. Things are so out of hand in the across the state harassment here that extra curriculars are small potatos. The NEA is dumping bucks into the legislature to maintain the status quo as it is a strong deterrent.
52 posted on 01/14/2003 6:05:58 PM PST by Domestic Church (time for class action)
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To: Domestic Church
"In Pennsylvania many school districts solicit the social security numbers of the homeschooled kids precisely to milk the federal/state monies that they can"

Isn't this fraud? Do they do the same stunt with kids in private schools? For instance, I heard there is a NJ school district passing out questionaires to every household in the district requesting information about their family (i.e. # of kids, what school the kids go to). It looks like some school districts have a culture that make Enron Executives appear honest. The Justice Dept. and the Department of Education need to investigate these NEA Nazis.
53 posted on 01/14/2003 6:24:43 PM PST by Kuksool (The NEA is the Great Satan)
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To: Howlin
It's amazing what ersatz "rights" so many folks are demanding these days. I guess the success of some in doing so has unleashed just about everyone. Maybe the powers that be should contemplate that. It makes for a more irritable society.
54 posted on 01/14/2003 8:52:41 PM PST by Torie
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To: Celtjew Libertarian
Your post was so much better than mine. I am glad to see others on this thread who recognize the "gimme" attitude in this proposition.
55 posted on 01/15/2003 5:37:53 AM PST by Under the Radar
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To: Under the Radar; Howlin; Celtjew Libertarian; amused; TankerKC; flyervet
I am very pro-homeschool, but I detest the "cafeteria-style" approach you described. Why should homeschoolers get to cherry pick only the classes they want?

Well, my response is "Why shouldn't homeschoolers cherry-pick" the classes they want?

In several states (I mentioned Florida, but another poster mentioned Texas) these are not issues. If the child is eligible to attend a public school, he is eligible to receive any of the benefits of that school that the parent wishes to enjoy. The Governors Bush were at the forefront of changing the way the education system in their states works.

I know of homeschool parents in Florida who send their kids to public school for lab sciences, foreign languages, advanced mathematics, or (most popular of all!) Driver's Ed. They can also play on sports teams, but I don't know personally of any kids who do that.

The "All or Nothing" approach you describe is Old Style Government. And, regardless of either of our opinions on the matter, at least two large states have dumped that approach, and the public schools haven't folded.

Even so, some homeschool families will not participate in any publicly funded program. For them, it's the principle of the thing. But not all homeschool families are that anti-government-school.

The reason we homeschool is to provide the best possible education for our son, and I'll use any resource available (reading at the kitchen table, music lessons from a private tutor, or public school classrooms) to service that goal. Of course, as I stated in a previous post, here in Maryland, the law says we aren't entitled to anything from the public schools.

Anyone who thinks that all homeschoolers have similar motivations is just wrong.

56 posted on 01/15/2003 5:41:41 AM PST by TontoKowalski
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To: Celtjew Libertarian
My son is in a private school. I don't believe that any of the public schools should be called upon to provide anything for him.

If your son had any type of handicapping condition, the school would be required to provide therapy; between the ages of 3-21.

57 posted on 01/15/2003 5:44:57 AM PST by lonestar
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To: Lancey Howard
If they pay taxes and are denied access to after-school activities, then they can sue and win, and should do so.
58 posted on 01/15/2003 5:48:17 AM PST by montag813
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To: TontoKowalski
I know of homeschool parents in Florida who send their kids to public school for lab sciences, foreign languages, advanced mathematics, or (most popular of all!) Driver's Ed.

How would they be called home-schooled if they're attending public school for all those classes?

59 posted on 01/15/2003 5:51:23 AM PST by FITZ
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To: TontoKowalski
I think that the "menu" approach will be the wave of the future.

Not likely in the public sector, since the cafeteria approach puts too much decision-making power in the hands of the serfs.

60 posted on 01/15/2003 5:53:56 AM PST by TomSmedley
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