Episcopalian leader lashes out at Bush for 'reprehensible' policy (the world right to loathe us)

Newark Star Ledger ^ | 1/14/03 | KEVIN ECKSTROM

[mhking]

Bishop Griswald

Is he related to Clark Griswold? [g]

[Marysecretary]

I'm not sure you're 100% correct on the one about children of leftist parents. I think during the 1960's a lot of good kids from wealthy parents and even pubbies got caught up in the "moment." I remember that time pretty well, bringing up my kids then. It wasn't a great time in our history! And it's gotten worse now that these peaceniks are in high office.

[Sam Cree]

You are probably right, I should have said that a lot of the main agitators were the kids of leftist parents, which I believe is fairly well documented. The fact that leftist dogma is so mainstream these days kind of supports your point that others have been taken in, I guess.

I was in college in those days, considered myself to be a liberal. I knew that leftist doctrine was wrong, just hadn't thought everything through. The Clintons were the wake up call that finally got my brain working.

It would be interesting to know whether (bishop) Griswold, and also Eric Yoffie, the very leftist chief rabbi of Reform Judaism, were the children of leftists, or were "caught up in the moment" and stayed caught. I tried to research this for Eric Yoffie, but found little info on his personal history.

Yoffie has mentioned having been a "rebellious," or something like that, college student.

[Marysecretary]

We must be around the same age, then. Old enough to remember when times were a whole lot saner. I wish all liberals would really take a close look at what they truly believe. All of them can't be bad but oh, that mindset.

[Sam Cree]

Well, I am 54, yes, you'd think that if alot of people that call themselves "liberals" would think things through, they'd see the truth.

For instance, my art teacher calls herself a libertarian, but loves the Clintons and all the other authoritarian leftists. Hasn't thought it through.

[Marysecretary]

You're 10 years younger than I am. I got in at the beginning of the hippy madness. I was even in the beatnik madness (not a part of it but an observer). The 40's and 50's were a great time to be alive and growing up in America. We've lost those values, unfortunately. Now being a Christian is spat upon; then it was something to cherish.

Liberals don't think--they feel. It's all emotional with them. Remember the adage, "If it feels good, do it?" I think it originated with them. They have emotion but no devotion and that leads to commotion (another line I stole from someone). Love, Mary

[N. Theknow]

I would like to go somewhere in the world where I don't have to apologize for being an Episcopalian.

Biggest difference between Episcopalians and Methodists is that Episcopalians wave to each other in the liquor store.

[AlexW]

Well, I always called myself a Whiskypalian...Now it is much better then claiming to be a true Episcopalian.
Having grown up in that church, going to church camps as a youth, being senior Warden at the oldest church in west Tennessee, and having been quite enthralled, I no longer set foot in the church...They lost me 5 years ago.

[Sam Cree]

I guess the character, Kookie, on, was it, "77, Sunset Strip," represented the end of the beatnik era. We used to like the show as kids.

Yes, it is certainly out of vogue to be a Christian in politically correct circles these days. The "counter culture" of the 60's is the so called "establishment" these days in many segments of Western society.

[dfwgator]

Another wolf in sheep's clothing.

[Marysecretary]

It's scary, isn't it, to have them be the establishment and even the former president of this country! That sure was a wake up call for me. We need to fervently pray that others of their ilk don't get into the White House.

[OldBlondBabe]

I've been an Episcopalian all my life, but I'm seriously reconsidering. I've E-mailed a copy to my pastor, expressing serious doubts about remaining an Episcopalian.

I've like being a member of a church, though, and I do like my church.