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Episcopalian leader lashes out at Bush for 'reprehensible' policy (the world right to loathe us)
Newark Star Ledger ^ | 1/14/03 | KEVIN ECKSTROM

Posted on 01/14/2003 10:04:43 AM PST by Incorrigible

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So according to Bishop Griswald, it's more "Godly" of the US to let the people of Iraq suffer under the oppression of a tyrant.  To let Saddam Hussein take the money we do give him and spend it on palaces and weapons of war than on food and medical supplies for his people.  It's better to let Iraq be a safe haven for terrorists and the suffering of ordinary Iraqi Muslims to be an inspiration for America hating by the wicked of the world.

The US is already the largest donor and the largest donor per capita of foreign aid.  Yes, some of it is to help the righteous of the world defend themselves and their freedom from an Islamic onslaught (ie Israel) with weapons and intelligence but much of it goes to education and medical assistance for which we are resented for our generosity.

I don't expect Bishop Griswald or the Pope to come out singing "Onward Christian Soldiers" (though it would be nice) but at least the Pope simply reminded the world of the principles of a Just War and didn't come out and lambaste the President and the American people who support him and his actions.

We have a right to self defense and President Bush labeling Iran, Iraq and North Korea was probably more pragmatic and prescient.

1 posted on 01/14/2003 10:04:43 AM PST by Incorrigible
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2 posted on 01/14/2003 10:05:25 AM PST by Incorrigible
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3 posted on 01/14/2003 10:06:46 AM PST by Incorrigible
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What the H*** is going on? Is the Episcopal Church now part of the Left? Stupid question, probably.
5 posted on 01/14/2003 10:12:49 AM PST by Sam Cree
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"I'd like to be able to go somewhere in the world and not have to apologize for being from the United States," Presiding Bishop Frank T. Griswold 3rd said Friday in an interview with Religion News Service.

Ask us if we really give a ****.

7 posted on 01/14/2003 10:15:23 AM PST by dirtboy
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To: Incorrigible
"I'd like to be able to go somewhere in the world and not have to apologize for being from the United States," Presiding Bishop Frank T. Griswold 3rd said Friday...

This says more about him than it does about U.S. foreign policy or about the President.

8 posted on 01/14/2003 10:16:42 AM PST by EternalVigilance
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"I'd like to be able to go somewhere in the world and not have to apologize for being from the United States," Presiding Bishop Frank T. Griswold 3rd said Friday in an interview with Religion News Service.

Idiot, find some country more to your liking and STAY there.

9 posted on 01/14/2003 10:21:03 AM PST by dighton
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Is the Episcopal Church now part of the Left? Stupid question, probably.

Positively Van Winklian.

10 posted on 01/14/2003 10:22:17 AM PST by trad_anglican
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To: Incorrigible
I was an Eiscopalian for over 20 years. Reading about John Spong made me wonder. And then when one Rector said, "The Bible is not the word of God, but a history of man's effort to find God" I wondered more.
At a Bible conference I told this story to Fred Smith and his comment was, "No, the Bible is God's effort to find man".

Finally when my 12 year old son, on the day of his confirmation, came home from the service, and said that most of those kids all dressed in white did not believe anything, I stopped wondering and started making plans to leave. My 12 year old son really started the exodus by stating that he was going to start going to a Bible believing church.

Bishop John Spong said we had to do away with many "icons" such as the ressurection and physical body ascension.

That was almost 20 years ago and the Eiscopal church is still sliging down into meaningless.
11 posted on 01/14/2003 10:26:38 AM PST by bobg (Bob G.)
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To: Incorrigible
The Episcopal Church is not so slowly fading away. This is one of the reasons why (among many others).
12 posted on 01/14/2003 10:29:41 AM PST by yendu bwam
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"I'd like to be able to go somewhere in the world and not have to apologize for being from the United States," Presiding Bishop Frank T. Griswold 3rd said Friday in an interview with Religion News Service.
(All because Wally-World was closed?) Believe me, Bishop, we apologize for you being from the U.S., too. I believe there are pulpits available in Mecca, Baghdad, Islamabad, Cairo, ...
13 posted on 01/14/2003 10:31:27 AM PST by talleyman
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To: trad_anglican
"Positively Van Winklian."

Hey! though I guess you are right, the National Council of Churches is clearly a leftist force. I suppose the Episcopal Church belongs. Just hadn't realized they were so completely gone over to the "dark side."

14 posted on 01/14/2003 10:32:52 AM PST by Sam Cree
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"I'd like to be able to go somewhere in the world and not have to apologize for being from the United States," Presiding Bishop Frank T. Griswold"

Well, Mr. Griswold (I will withhold the title), who says you have to apologize for being from the U.S.? Get a spine and tell the jerks who demand that you do that it's not of their damn business.

Either that or move to a country where you can be 'proud'.

15 posted on 01/14/2003 10:35:35 AM PST by MEGoody
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To: Incorrigible
The episcopal church left me 40 years ago. In the 30's and 40's I attended sunday school, confirmation classes sang in the youth choir, and served the altar until 1950.The book of common prayer was the guide to the service, but that was tossed aside.This church is on a downslide,with no stop insight.
16 posted on 01/14/2003 10:36:37 AM PST by retiredtexan
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To: Incorrigible
Beware the false prophets!!
17 posted on 01/14/2003 10:38:35 AM PST by Chi-townChief
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To: talleyman
A little visit from Christy Brinkley would help his mood.
18 posted on 01/14/2003 10:43:29 AM PST by Deb
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To: retiredtexan
The Book of Common Prayer is still the guide to the service, at least in my parish. Every word is right out of it, or the Bible, or the hymnal. I'm in our choir, and the anthems we sing generally take their text from Scripture as well.

Other parishes may not do the same, but I have no experience in other parishes other than the one I'm in.
19 posted on 01/14/2003 10:58:38 AM PST by RonF
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Ahhh, the Episcopalians. Why don't they just stick to the ordination of lesbian priests and the promotion good old-fashioned anti-Christian values instead of involving themselves in world politics? Makes you pine for the good old days when Episopalians merely had to worry about whether or not the transgendered practicioner of bestiality could serve on the Potluck Committee...
20 posted on 01/14/2003 11:01:37 AM PST by egarvue (Martin Sheen is not my president...)
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