Posted on 01/16/2003 10:15:20 AM PST by fuddy duddy
Edited on 01/16/2003 10:36:31 AM PST by Admin Moderator. [history]
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My mother became disabled after she broke 2 vertebrae in her neck from a serious infection and could no longer work and was repeatedly turned down for disability, hence why she got back into her past employment as a drug dealer.
So adults should have only a "moderate" amount of liberty?
My wife broke her back, T10 - T12 if memory serves me right, by falling off a pier and onto rocks 30 feet below. Under great pain and difficulty she was back in college a month and a half later. She is not so much disabled as unable to do certain tasks. But she has never cried victim or blamed her back for any failings. She has gone out and done the best she can and has succeeded very well in her choosen profession. Stripping!
Just kidding, she's a banker.
Anything can be carried too far. The Libertarian Party wants open borders and unlimited immigrations, because that limits people's "liberty" to move around the world as they wish. Never mind that hundreds of millions of people would love to come here from the third world which would effectively destroy the USA as we know it. The L's say this is only because of welfare and is we ended that they wouldn't come here. That's a ridiculous assertion, but they make it because reality does not conform to their absolutism.
Likewise they would gut national defense and promote an isolationist foreign policy, even after 9/11. They make no provision for children, who do not fit the libertarian model. They see no role for government in controling things like polution, since it interferes with their absolutist view on property rights. In short, they never let reality interfere with their ideology.
BTW, I am a registered Libertarian. I believe the maximum amount of individual liberty that is practical in a modern world, but I also am a nationalist who believes we need to protect our borders, language and culture. So while I think libertarianism in theory is a good idea, I've found the people who run the party are ideologs who are ultimately as unrealistic as any leftist academic. That's why I stoped paying party dues. I am moving soon and will probably re-register as Republican when I do.
Does that maximum amount include (getting back to the now-zotted original subject) the liberty to use drugs?
To which you replied:
So adults should have only a "moderate" amount of liberty?
Not at all. I consider myself a "moderate" libertarian, and I think that the Libertarian Party has become too insular and utopian. Many of them take the Henry David Thoreau's "That government is best which governs least" and extrapolate "that government is best of all which governs not at all."
Yes. If people want to kill themselves with drugs or alcohol that's their business (as long as no children are involved). BTW, this is not simply academic to me. Several people who were once near and dear to me have assumed room tempreture due to drugs and alcohol. But the WOD is far worse problem than drugs themselves. It does nothing to help drug abusers, degrades our liberty, and directly does incredible damage to millions who are not hard core druggies. And the black market created by drug prohibition supports gangs and terrorists.
It's been JimRob's assertion in the past that opposing the federal component of the INSANE War On (some) Drugs is perfectly consistent with conservative ideas. Th WO(s)D represents a vast overreach of federal authority, has the potential to turn the USA into a police state, shreds the 4th Amendment, and has virtually no effect on the quantity and availability of "illegal" drugs. It is the worst form of authoritarian socialism, and is most certainly NOT a conservative idea as we know it.
Please consider removing the ZOT and reposting this as it originally appeared.
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