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Peggy Noonan: A Tough Roe
Opinion Journal ^ | 01/20/03 | Peggy Noonan

Posted on 01/19/2003 9:05:00 PM PST by Pokey78

Edited on 04/23/2004 12:05:08 AM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

It is now 30 years since the Supreme Court, in its Roe v. Wade vision, blew down the barriers to abortion on demand, using as the essential rationale a constitutional right of privacy that the court had discovered less than eight years earlier. Since 1973 roughly 40 million abortions--that seems to be the generally accepted number--have been performed in America, and 40 million children banished from life.


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1 posted on 01/19/2003 9:05:00 PM PST by Pokey78
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2 posted on 01/19/2003 9:06:00 PM PST by Pokey78
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3 posted on 01/19/2003 9:06:02 PM PST by Support Free Republic (Your support keeps Free Republic going strong!)
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4 posted on 01/19/2003 9:24:05 PM PST by Jeff Chandler ( ; -)
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To: Pokey78
B and B (Bump and Bookmark) for later reading....
5 posted on 01/19/2003 9:25:23 PM PST by syriacus (What if Washington stayed at Mt. Vernon, because he was afraid soldiers would be killed?)
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To: Pokey78

Respectfully, wrong, Peggy. Abortions are not performed on children. They are committed. Otherwise, we would be saying that "al Qaeda performed murder on 3,000 Americans."

6 posted on 01/19/2003 9:30:00 PM PST by Cultural Jihad
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To: Pokey78
Awesome article. Peggy Noonan is so much better in print than she is on TV.
7 posted on 01/19/2003 9:31:51 PM PST by nwrep
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To: Pokey78; All
No party can long endure, or could possibly flourish, with the unfettered killing of young humans as the thing that holds it together. And so a prediction on this grim anniversary: Someday years from now we will see abortion's final victim, and it will turn out to be the once-great Democratic Party, which was left at the end deformed, bloody and desperately trying to kick away from death, but unable to save itself.

The democrats have ceased to stand for anything except treason, power and money to the corrupt lawyer industry, and murdering third trimester babies.

Let their demise be slow and excruciating, over the course of many, many years of inexorable decline.

8 posted on 01/19/2003 9:35:11 PM PST by friendly
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To: friendly
On a lighter note......a professor asked one of his blond students if she knew what Roe vs. Wade meant. She said she thought she knew so he asked her to say what Roe vs. Wade means. She said, "I think that's the decision George Washington had to make before he crossed the Delaware.
9 posted on 01/19/2003 9:39:38 PM PST by PatriotGames
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To: Pokey78
No party can long endure, or could possibly flourish, with the unfettered killing of young humans as the thing that holds it together.

Abortion and sexual perversion. Those are the great motivating and clarifying ideas of the modern Democrat Party. That's what they've been reduced to.

10 posted on 01/19/2003 9:40:33 PM PST by Kevin Curry
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To: Pokey78
a very prophetic article. It is not Republicans against Democrats, it is good against evil, not that Republican are good or democrats bad (the party maybe bad but some democrats are just ignorant). It is spiritual!!!!!!
11 posted on 01/19/2003 9:40:59 PM PST by AgThorn
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To: Pokey78
Please add me to your Peggy Noonan ping list.
12 posted on 01/19/2003 9:42:56 PM PST by Conservababe
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To: PatriotGames
LOL
13 posted on 01/19/2003 9:43:32 PM PST by friendly
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To: friendly
The democrats have ceased to stand for anything except treason, power and money to the corrupt lawyer industry, and murdering third trimester babies.

You left out the maintenance of the monopoly of the deconstructionist indoctrination centers (AKA public schools).

14 posted on 01/19/2003 9:43:54 PM PST by Jeff Chandler ( ; -)
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To: Conservababe
You have been added.
15 posted on 01/19/2003 9:48:54 PM PST by Pokey78
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To: Jeff Chandler
Great article, and great point about the dems committment to the public school machine. The two biggest targets of demonrats are babies and schoolchildren. If they can't kill 'em first, they figure they'll indoctrinate them next. Sickening, when one actually thinks about it.
16 posted on 01/19/2003 9:50:24 PM PST by Kryptonite
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To: Jeff Chandler
You left out the maintenance of the monopoly of the deconstructionist indoctrination centers (AKA public schools).

Ah yes, that powerful tool of enslavement for the slaves who toil in ignorance on the democrat plantation.

One in six delegates at every democrat national convention are representatives of the dispicable teachers' unions.

17 posted on 01/19/2003 10:02:04 PM PST by friendly
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To: Pokey78
Peggy's always good, but this one is definitely a keeper.
18 posted on 01/19/2003 10:03:26 PM PST by Amelia (Who's sending missile parts to Iraq?)
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To: Kryptonite
Peggy Noonan really nails it. The rat's embracing of abortion as the centerpiece of their platform was a key factor in my leaving the party. They sold their soul, and it's been downhill ever since. Look at how low they've sunk: the Boy Scouts are the enemy to them-the BOY SCOUTS! First motherhood, then the Boy Scouts. I suppose apple pie is out too because of the fat content, and the evil processed sugar. They are terribly squeemish about displays of patriotism or religious expressions. What's left for them to hate, baseball?
19 posted on 01/19/2003 10:07:08 PM PST by Jeff Chandler ( ; -)
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To: Pokey78
From Peggy's mouth to God's ear. Let us hope that the United States destroys the Democratic Party before the Democratic Party destroys the United States.
20 posted on 01/19/2003 10:07:25 PM PST by Arthur McGowan
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To: friendly; Kryptonite
The rats might as well abandon their traditional party symbol. The Donkey is far too noble a beast to accurately represent them. of course, there would be the problem of finding a replacement symbol, but not to worry. I have a modest suggestion.

The new Democrat Party symbol should be a graphic of a dirty old man in a sticky trenchcoat.
21 posted on 01/19/2003 10:12:41 PM PST by Jeff Chandler ( ; -)
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To: Jeff Chandler

Basic hygiene. Maybe the Greens can share their shtick with the Democrats.

22 posted on 01/19/2003 10:15:42 PM PST by Cultural Jihad
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To: Pokey78
Wake up GOP and Christians!

Overturning Roe v. Wade is not the correct tact to defeating abortion. Any legislation should be aimed at gaining even-handed counseling for those women and men considering abortion. This counseling would make the woman and the prospective father aware of the emotional and physical consequences of abortion as well as alternatives. An abortion doctor has an obvious conflict of interest and this would balance this with alternatives such as adoption and information regarding the scientifically established emotional and physical ramifications of abortion. This is the best tact against abortion. It is unassailable by pro-choice groups. While the true victim is the unborn child, such an approach addresses the pro-choice established victim- the woman. Changing hearts is key to victory against abortion and such a law can help change hearts without arousing a severe backlash from the pro-choice groups. Roe v. Wade will become superfluous with this type of approach.
23 posted on 01/19/2003 10:19:23 PM PST by Rockitz (Let us seek to change hearts.)
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To: Rockitz
Overturning Roe v. Wade is not the correct tact to defeating abortion.

Nonsense. Overturning Roe v. Wade would simply hand the issue back to the states, where the people through their elected representatives could try out different approaches. It is not only the "correct" tack, it is an absolutely essential tack. Nothing would do more to make your suggestions workable and effective.

24 posted on 01/19/2003 10:24:38 PM PST by Kevin Curry
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To: nwrep
Really? I love to see Peggy on TV as well as reading her fantastic articles! I think she just reeks of class. Such a lady, and talented as well!
25 posted on 01/19/2003 10:27:44 PM PST by ladyinred
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To: Rockitz
hearts without arousing a severe backlash from the pro-choice groups

Don't you know them by now? Some organization could offer every pregnant woman in America a million dollars to carry to term and adopt out her child rather than abort and the feminists would say that they were no better than NAZIs in their blatant attempt to oppress womyn.

26 posted on 01/19/2003 10:30:46 PM PST by Jeff Chandler ( ; -)
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To: Pokey78; Chemnitz; jwalsh07
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8/5/02 | jwalsh07
Posted on 08/05/2002 5:30 PM PDT by jwalsh07

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74 posted on 08/05/2002 6:30 PM PDT by Bowana

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...I hope the photos help the innocent who are misled by the medical people. I used to work in a pro-life counseling center. We showed videos to women while they waited for their test. (Good tests used to take a long time.) Many women and girls told me that they never realized how much was already happening inside them. For that reason the new technology will be a blessing. But I have little hope for the thousands of teachers, nurses, doctors, social workers, and government officials who have hearts harder than flint about the unborn.

87 posted on 08/05/2002 6:39 PM PDT by Chemnitz

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To: Chemnitz

For that reason the new technology will be a blessing

Yes, I think it will. It is why I posted the thread.

96 posted on 08/05/2002 6:44 PM PDT by jwalsh07

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27 posted on 01/19/2003 10:33:39 PM PST by RonDog
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To: Rockitz
We lose this fight no matter what when we let the left use the words choice or choose: they only want to choose to have an abortion and end a life. They don't want us to choose to own firearms. They don't want us to choose where our kids go to school. They don't want to us to choose how we spend our money instead of the gov't. When these Dem candidates are running for president and they talk about "a woman's right to choose", they have to clarify "to kill a baby" or "to have an abortion". By automatically giving them the understanding that we know they mean abortion, puts us in the loss column.
28 posted on 01/19/2003 10:34:14 PM PST by BUSHdude2000
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To: Pokey78
"Will the Democratic Party be abortion's final victim?"

I certainly hope so - sooner rather than later!!
29 posted on 01/19/2003 10:44:49 PM PST by victim soul
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To: ladyinred
I think Peggy missed a point that I expected in a piece about the effect of abortion on the Rat party. Who's out there having abortions-liberal women, or conservative ones? By killing off potential Democrat voters, abortion eviscerates the future of this evil party.
30 posted on 01/19/2003 10:45:11 PM PST by hunter112
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To: RonDog
I have said this before but will repeat it: Everyone, in discussing late term abortion, there is one more gruesome fact never discussed: three percent of natural births are breech (feet first), 100 percent of late term abortions are breech. How come? Because FIRST the abortionist has to reach in and twist the baby feet first. Why? Because if the head is born the child cannot be legally murdered. If he is hanging out with his head still unborn he can be "aborted." The general public does not know this. Please, call your local talk shows!!!!!
31 posted on 01/19/2003 10:54:49 PM PST by linton59
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To: linton59
What a horrid evil.
32 posted on 01/19/2003 10:57:03 PM PST by Cultural Jihad
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To: nwrep
She is even better in print. She is a real lady, a beauty, and an articulate spokesman for the unborn.
33 posted on 01/19/2003 10:57:33 PM PST by Chemnitz (Protect the weakest of the weak - the unborn)
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To: BUSHdude2000; Jeff Chandler; Kevin Curry
As I said in my first post "Roe v. Wade will become superfluous with this type of approach." There's already a law against abortion- it's called murder. We just have to change the public's perception and the truth is the best way to do that. The truth is on our side.

What is it? It is a child, not an tissue mass. The counseling I suggested will reveal that truth and hearts will change.
34 posted on 01/19/2003 11:17:15 PM PST by Rockitz (Let us seek to change hearts. The law against abortion already exists!)
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To: Rockitz
We don't disagree. We have to make the left use the word abortion when stating their principles and platform. We have to say we're the pro-choice folks, we're pro-choice with regard to tax cuts, school choice and gun rights. They can't get away with saying they're pro-choice, they must be forced to say "we support the right to abortion" etc. Doing this will awaken a lot of people to the horror that abortion is and like you said< will hopefully change hearts and minds.
35 posted on 01/19/2003 11:40:36 PM PST by BUSHdude2000
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To: BUSHdude2000
Ping! Thanks Pokey.
36 posted on 01/19/2003 11:51:31 PM PST by lainde
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To: Rockitz
I hate to say it, but many attempts have been made by various state legislatures over the years at introducing laws to require just what you advocate, informed choice. Unfortunately, in the spirit of Roe vs. Wade, every one of these laws have been struck down by the Supreme Court as being "unconstitutional." Without overturning Roe vs. Wade, true informed consent laws may be impossible.

Personally, I am not at all for making abortion illegal. I am for full informed consent, mandatory pre-abortion sonograms, and for showing the post-abortive mothers their "products of conception." Such measures would, I believe, cause a drastic drop in the number of birth-control abortions.
37 posted on 01/19/2003 11:52:06 PM PST by exDemMom (W in '04)
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To: Jeff Chandler
The rats might as well abandon their traditional party symbol. The Donkey is far too noble a beast to accurately represent them.

In keeping with the animal images created by political cartoonist Thomas Nast 130 years ago (he invented the donkey and the elephant, among many other things), I would be simple.

The Rat!! It is so obvious. Lawyers, abortionists, felons, Clintons...It is the perfect new symbol of the 'rats!!!

38 posted on 01/19/2003 11:57:42 PM PST by friendly
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To: Pokey78
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39 posted on 01/20/2003 1:00:53 AM PST by ppaul
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To: Pokey78
It is no good, we know it, it is avoidable, there are options, such as hundreds of thousands if not millions of Americans eager to adopt.

Just so! Bravo, Peggy!

40 posted on 01/20/2003 5:30:34 AM PST by FairWitness
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To: Cultural Jihad
Respectfully, wrong, Peggy. Abortions are not performed on children. They are committed.

Actually she IS right. Abortion is a medical procedure that is PERFORMED on a woman, but in doing so, the murder of a baby is COMMITTED. Most folks going through it realize the first part, and try not to think about the second part. The problem is, they can't run away from what they've done, and post abortion syndrome affects not only the woman who presented her baby to be killed, but other family members who encouraged or forced the decision.

41 posted on 01/20/2003 5:42:00 AM PST by SuziQ
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To: Pokey78; xsmommy; hobbes1
it should have been done politically, not judicially. That it was not, that a huge and radical change in law was forced on the entire country by black-robed fiat, caused avoidable and continuing unrest. It has contributed more than any decision in my lifetime to the national breakdown of faith in our institutions.

Ping!

42 posted on 01/20/2003 5:51:13 AM PST by NeoCaveman
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To: ppaul
WOW! What a poster ppaul, and so very true! Planned Parenthood has certainly targeted Blacks and Hispanics by setting up clinics in areas of towns heavily populated by the poor which tend to be minority areas. I don't know why there aren't more black leaders who are willing to stand up and say this. I guess they are concerned their sources of funding will disappear!

As far as Jewish women are concerned, it must be largely Reform Jews having abortions, because Orthodox women still consider the possibility that they could be the 'woman of the Promise', mentioned in the Old Testament, and could be carrying the Messiah.

43 posted on 01/20/2003 5:52:10 AM PST by SuziQ
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To: Pokey78
Bump to end the insane slaughter of our children.

God have mercy on our bloody nation.

44 posted on 01/20/2003 6:00:01 AM PST by Skooz ($ This space for rent--Your ad here $)
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To: Jeff Chandler

Sitting on a park bench
Eyeing little girls with bad intent
Snot is running down their noses
Greasy fingers smearing shabby clothes
democrats

45 posted on 01/20/2003 6:54:30 AM PST by NYpeanut
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To: exDemMom
Do you you know on what basis these informed consent laws were struck down and what courts were involved? I would like to read the decisions and understand how they fabricated the unconstitutional basis.
46 posted on 01/20/2003 8:31:55 AM PST by Rockitz (Let us seek to change hearts. The law against abortion already exists!)
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To: Rockitz
Do you you know on what basis these informed consent laws were struck down and what courts were involved?

Please forgive me; the one I remember the most clearly was a case that came up when I was in high school, around 1975 or so. It was in New York state, a law mandating informed consent (I believe that its intent was to inform potential abortion clients about fetal development; pretty basic stuff). I'm fairly sure it was the SCOTUS that struck it down on the basis that either it "interferes with a woman's right to choose" or it "violates the right to privacy." Every once in a while, I hear or read about another similar law being stricken down, for about the same bogus reasons.

I am very sorry I do not have more concrete information; I do not keep newspaper articles on the subject and I am not a lawyer, so I wouldn't even know where to begin to conduct a legal database search on such a subject.

47 posted on 01/20/2003 8:51:00 PM PST by exDemMom (W in '04)
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To: Pokey78
Decent piece except that in my view Roe is far more morally reprehensible than Dred.
48 posted on 01/20/2003 8:54:02 PM PST by wardaddy
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To: BUSHdude2000
And, on the other side of the coin, whatever happened to "Pro-Life?" Just as the Pro-Abortion crowd has sought to distance THEMSELVES from the "A word," they have tried to push the awkward "Anti-Abortionist" on their opponents. Personally I suspect that this is just one step on the way to the term they would really like to see: "Anti-Women."
49 posted on 01/21/2003 7:39:40 AM PST by WaveThatFlag
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To: Rockitz; WaveThatFlag; GOPcapitalist; 666beast
I'm watching the NARAL event that was on C-SPAN last night. NARAL must have read our thread, they've renamed themselves NARAL Pro-Choice America. The witch in charge also called for all pro-bortion senators to filibuster any Supreme Court nomineee put forward by President Bush that does not support "choice".
50 posted on 01/22/2003 1:17:47 AM PST by BUSHdude2000
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