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Weapons Found in Mosque Raid
BBC ^ | 1/20/03

Posted on 01/20/2003 1:13:57 PM PST by marshmallow

A stun gun, blank-firing replica firearm and CS gas canister were among the items seized in a raid on a London mosque, police have revealed. Seven people were held by anti-terrorist officers after the night operation at the mosque in Finsbury Park, north London.

Scotland Yard said the "intelligence-led" raid was linked to the discovery of the poison ricin in nearby Wood Green earlier this month.

The cleric at the North London Central Mosque, radical preacher Sheikh Abu Hamza, told the BBC there had been "a clear desecration".

He maintained the police had been "unprofessional" in raiding a location that was under constant surveillance.

"Anytime they wanted to visit or search they were welcomed."

The cleric - who was not arrested - dismissed the discovery of weapons at the mosque suggesting they could have belonged to a cleaner of security guard who had been staying in the building.

"This is no terrorist weapon... this has got nothing to do with the mosque."

He also criticised the heavy-handed nature of the 0200 GMT raid, involved helicopters, dozens of police vans and 150 officers - some using battering rams.

Mr Hamza added: "It was very childish, just propaganda."

Police also said a large quantity of documents - including passports, identity cards and credit cards - were recovered. These have been taken away for examination.

Of the seven men arrested, six were described as North African and aged between 23 and 48, and one as east European and aged 22.

The men, said to be "residing" at the mosque, were arrested under the Terrorism Act 2000 and taken for questioning to a central London police station.

Scotland Yard said intelligence suggested the mosque had been involved in recruiting terrorists, and in supporting terrorism in the UK and abroad.

Officers were primarily looking for documents, computers and people, and no chemical substance had been found in the mosque, it said.

Police insisted the raid was carried out sensitively, and said they had not entered parts of the mosque used for prayer, instead focusing on office and accommodation areas.

They said they had "no quarrel" with ordinary worshippers at the mosque, and had been handing out leaflets suggesting alternative places of worship.

'Determined effort'

But Deputy Assistant Commissioner Andy Trotter said the raid had been highly successful, and he expected it to lead to "more action in the future" as "part of our absolutely determined effort to keep the country safe".

Home Secretary David Blunkett said the operation had his "complete support".

He said in a statement: "We must take firm action to investigate, and if necessary deal with, any potential threat to public safety without fear or favour."

Sheikh Abu Hamza faces exclusion from the mosque because of "inflammatory and highly political" speeches at prayers.

The Charity Commission wants him expelled as an agent of the North London Central Mosque trust, which runs the mosque, because of his "political" preaching.

He has until late on Monday to answer complaints, but has said he would have to be "put in prison" before he stopped preaching.


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1 posted on 01/20/2003 1:13:57 PM PST by marshmallow
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To: marshmallow
Hamza...said he would have to be "put in prison" before he stopped preaching

I believe if he were to assume room temperature, he would also stop preaching.

2 posted on 01/20/2003 1:18:48 PM PST by Sender
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To: marshmallow
"A stun gun, blank-firing replica firearm and CS gas canister"

A pretty sorry collection of weapons.

3 posted on 01/20/2003 1:21:19 PM PST by BenLurkin (Socialism is immoral.)
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To: marshmallow
"A stun gun, blank-firing replica firearm and CS gas canister" hardly qualify as weapons -- except to the English.

Conducting non-productive raids like this simply causes people to sympathize with the mosques. Or is that the idea? Sometimes I wonder about Tony Blair (F.O.B.)??!!
4 posted on 01/20/2003 1:22:08 PM PST by steplock
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To: marshmallow
Those aren't weapons.
5 posted on 01/20/2003 1:24:12 PM PST by Fred Mertz
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To: marshmallow
The cleric at the North London Central Mosque, radical preacher Sheikh Abu Hamza, told the BBC there had been "a clear desecration".

How can you call disinfecting a sewer a desecration?

6 posted on 01/20/2003 1:25:16 PM PST by CROSSHIGHWAYMAN
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To: BenLurkin
"A stun gun, blank-firing replica firearm and CS gas canister"

Sorry collection to be sure, but for a religion that preaches peace and benevolence, what were they doing with weapons in a place of worship? I wonder what we'd find if we raided a few mosques here in the US?

7 posted on 01/20/2003 1:25:54 PM PST by cardinal4
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To: steplock
Conducting non-productive raids like this simply causes people to sympathize with the mosques. Or is that the idea? Sometimes I wonder about Tony Blair (F.O.B.)??!

It certainly wasn't non-productive, if it turns out the documents found are fraudulent. It may lead to a whole nest of terrorists.

Police also said a large quantity of documents - including passports, identity cards and credit cards - were recovered. These have been taken away for examination. </I

8 posted on 01/20/2003 1:30:39 PM PST by FR_addict
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To: marshmallow
Police also said a large quantity of documents - including passports, identity cards and credit cards - were recovered

Sounds like a productive raid. Hopefully additional intelligence can be gathered...

Police insisted the raid was carried out sensitively, and said they had not entered parts of the mosque used for prayer

Not necessary at this time, but perhaps in the future, depending on what is discovered among the documents siezed. Never can tell what was being stored in those areas "used for prayer" - Baby Milk, perhaps? I seem to recall there being a lot of Baby Milk factories in Iraq.

9 posted on 01/20/2003 1:32:54 PM PST by COBOL2Java
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To: CROSSHIGHWAYMAN
How can you call disinfecting a sewer a desecration?

My nomination for Quote of the Day.

10 posted on 01/20/2003 1:36:47 PM PST by marshmallow
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To: cardinal4
"A stun gun, blank-firing replica firearm and CS gas canister"

A stun gun - O.K., protection for the imam.

A blank-firing replica firearm - O.K., a starter for the three-legged-races.

A CS gas canister - Oops!

11 posted on 01/20/2003 1:38:22 PM PST by StriperSniper (Start heating the TAR, I'll go get the FEATHERS.)
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To: steplock
I think a raid on this mosque has been long overdue. WMVs on this website show some of the proponents of 'the religion of peace' who inhabit this place:

http://www.johnathangaltfilms.com/movie.html
12 posted on 01/20/2003 1:40:08 PM PST by orbital
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To: Fred Mertz
All banned in UK...mandatory jail sentence for owning replica weapons, CS gas and a stun gun
13 posted on 01/20/2003 1:41:19 PM PST by spokeshave
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To: marshmallow
But...but...but...I thought weapons were illegal in England. Maybe they need more gun control laws...
14 posted on 01/20/2003 1:42:32 PM PST by Some hope remaining.
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To: steplock
Conducting non-productive raids like this simply causes people to sympathize with the mosques.

I rather doubt that. Sure, it would have been nice to have pulled Osama bin Laden out of that mosque, but I'd be interested in knowing why that radical mosque had a collection of passports and credit cards.

15 posted on 01/20/2003 1:44:43 PM PST by Dog Gone
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To: marshmallow
I'm less concerned about the 'weapons' than this statement:

Police also said a large quantity of documents - including passports, identity cards and credit cards - were recovered.

Can someone please explain to me why there would need to be such documents present in the first place?

16 posted on 01/20/2003 1:53:09 PM PST by taxcontrol
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To: taxcontrol
"Can someone please explain to me why there would need to be such documents present in the first place?"

Proabably the liberal biased media does not really want to give this raid as much signficance as it really was. Perhaps a genuine terrorist operation was really uncovered here.

17 posted on 01/20/2003 3:06:34 PM PST by Bob Mc
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To: cardinal4
Dunno, but here's what they found in Hillary's basement:

18 posted on 01/20/2003 6:50:28 PM PST by BenLurkin (Socialism is immoral.)
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