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Byrd's KKK Alibi Comes Unraveled
NewsMax.com ^ | 1/22/03 | Carl Limbacher and NewsMax.com Staff

Posted on 01/22/2003 4:18:26 PM PST by kattracks

Sen. Robert Byrd, D-WV, has said repeatedly over the years that he joined the notorious anti-black hate group the Ku Klux Klan during World War II - not because he was a racist - but because the Klan had taken a strong stance against communism, a system of government that then existed only in the Soviet Union.

But Byrd's KKK alibi doesn't stand up to even the most cursory historical scrutiny, as a World War II veteran pointed out to NewsMax.com Wednesday.

"When Byrd said he joined the Klan, it couldn't have been famous for being anti-Communist, since in 1943 the Soviet Union was our crucial ally in World War II," said our source, who served in Air Force, then known as the Army Air Corps, in preparation for the Normandy invasion.

"In 1943 Franklin Roosevelt was still calling Stalin 'Uncle Joe'," he added. "And I remember U.S. military maps that showed the Red Army's advances toward Berlin, which was something we were all happy about."

Further puncturing Sen. Byrd's KKK alibi, the World War II vet recalled, "There would have been no reason for any patriotic American to have been anti-Communist in 1943 - because we were doing everything we could to help the Reds beat Hitler on the Eastern Front."

In fact, anti-communism didn't emerge as a genuine force in American politics until 1947, with the outbreak of the Cold War - four years after Byrd says he left the Klan. Two weeks ago the West Virginia Democrat's press secretary Tom Gavin said his boss had belonged to the Klan for only "a number of months."

It was during this period that Byrd - supposedly by then an EX-Klansman - was advising Grand Imperial Wizard Samuel Green on whom to appoint to important posts in the hierarchy of the hate group. In a letter to Green, Byrd urged, "the Klan is needed today as never before and I am anxious to see its rebirth here in West Virginia" and "in every state in the Union."

A year later in 1948, Byrd opposed President Truman's initiative to integrate the Armed Forces - and he did so using the language of a very much active Klansman.

The powerful Senate Democrat vowed then that he would "never submit to fight beneath that banner (the American flag) with a Negro by my side. Rather I should die a thousand times, and see Old Glory trampled in the dirt never to rise again, than to see this beloved land of ours become degraded by race mongrels, a throwback to the blackest specimen from the wilds."

"If Byrd said he thought the Klan's main job was fighting communism, he's either not being honest about why he joined - or he was a Klansman a lot longer than he now wants to admit," said the World War II vet.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events; US: West Virginia
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1 posted on 01/22/2003 4:18:26 PM PST by kattracks
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2 posted on 01/22/2003 4:19:12 PM PST by Bradís Gramma (Rid the country of the Clintons Donate $5 a month to Free Republic.)
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To: kattracks
Maybe he was a Trotskyist
3 posted on 01/22/2003 4:20:40 PM PST by spokeshave
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To: kattracks
"Sheets" Byrd has voted against Thurgood Marshall and Clarence Thomas. One liberal, one conservative, one thing in common.
4 posted on 01/22/2003 4:22:26 PM PST by dogbyte12
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To: kattracks
So he's a dem and he lied.

Not much of a story there.

6 posted on 01/22/2003 4:23:12 PM PST by South40
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To: kattracks
The Klan may have toned down its anti-Communism while the Soviets were our allies in WWII, but I'm reasonably sure they had a long history of being against Communism.
7 posted on 01/22/2003 4:26:22 PM PST by aristeides
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To: spokeshave
Maybe he was a Trotskyist

Good point.

8 posted on 01/22/2003 4:28:25 PM PST by Maedhros (mpaa sux0r)
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9 posted on 01/22/2003 4:29:42 PM PST by mhking
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To: South40
You get Jesse or Al Sharpton to admit that in public and you would have a story. As it is, this is huge in light of the Trent Lott race baiting exploitation by the despotic democrat party.
10 posted on 01/22/2003 4:30:41 PM PST by MHGinTN (If you can read this, you've had life support from someone. Promote Life Support for others.)
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To: kattracks
Yep ! 'Twas Southern Democrats who favored segregation, and Northern Republicans who brought about de-segregation. I was around, back then, and remember it well.

De-segregation was NOT a particularly popular cause- North or South - and there WERE plenty of rascists in BOTH parties. One of the things that slowed progress down was the very active role the Communist Party took in de-segregation efforts : not that they really cared, one way or the other . The important thing to them was to LOOK good to "The Negros", and to make Mainstream America look BAD.

The Klan was pretty active in Northern states. In the small NY town I grew up in, KKK members ( hoods and all ) torched a Roman Catholic church - for being Roman Catholic, I guess. A relative of ours ran a KKK cell in a nearby State Prison- much to the chagrin of other family members. Many small town police departments or Sheriff's Offices had KKK cell members. ( In our area, the Klan was most focused on Jews; there being a shortage of Afro-Americans nearby.)

11 posted on 01/22/2003 4:34:29 PM PST by genefromjersey
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12 posted on 01/22/2003 4:34:32 PM PST by Free ThinkerNY
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To: kattracks
Has there been a careful scrutiny of what Byrd's Klan group was up to while he was a member?

Were they 'active'? Were they out in the woods lynching hapless Negroes who "sassed" them? Did they engage in kidnappings? In beatings? Did they burn crosses?

These Klan guys were, and are, hard-core terrorists, and Byrd admits that he was a member.

What's the scoop here?

13 posted on 01/22/2003 4:37:36 PM PST by DWSUWF
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To: kattracks
Maybe during Black History Month PBS could schedule a 60th anniversary KKK tribute to Byrd.
14 posted on 01/22/2003 4:45:08 PM PST by Post Toasties
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To: kattracks
Big Byrd needs to come forward and be HONEST!
15 posted on 01/22/2003 4:47:11 PM PST by Arpege92
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To: kattracks
His argument is pretty lame really. Especially compared to what Ronald Reagan accomplished at the same time in Hollywood fighting the union strikes, and commie influences.

If you believe that Byrd was in the KKK ONLY to do his part to stop Communism, raise your hand.

16 posted on 01/22/2003 4:55:15 PM PST by perfect stranger (I see no hands raised.)
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To: genefromjersey
So, how much Jersey Klan was Democrat, do you think? 90%, 99%, all?
17 posted on 01/22/2003 4:56:01 PM PST by Post Toasties
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To: South40
Does have a bit of a "dog bites man" flavor about it, doesn't it?
18 posted on 01/22/2003 4:58:11 PM PST by Cyber Liberty (© 2003, Raving Lunatic LLC)
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To: kattracks
Well shoot! Lester Maddox, Bull Conner, George Wallace, Orville Faubus, and a double handfull of Southern democrats, then called dixiecrats, voiced the same sentiments. That is, until the black man decided to vote. Then reelection became the moving force, described for the past four and a half decades as inclusion.

What a bunch of phony pols. They have happily worked hand in hand with race entrepeneurs like Jesse Jackson and the current version of the NAACP to keep the status quo.

Historians will very likely come to the conclusion that, while slavery was hideous, what a small group of self appointed and self described "leaders" did to their own race was even worse. There was a genuine contrition among a majority of whites many years ago that would have allowed a much more rapid recovery, had the preachers of hatred from both camps not used the situation to feather their nests.

That, of course, is just my opinion.

19 posted on 01/22/2003 5:07:16 PM PST by billhilly (On fire for BIG AL)
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To: kattracks
Well shoot! Lester Maddox, Bull Conner, George Wallace, Orville Faubus, and a double handfull of Southern democrats, then called dixiecrats, voiced the same sentiments. That is, until the black man decided to vote. Then reelection became the moving force, described for the past four and a half decades as inclusion.

What a bunch of phony pols. They have happily worked hand in hand with race entrepeneurs like Jesse Jackson and the current version of the NAACP to keep the status quo.

Historians will very likely come to the conclusion that, while slavery was hideous, what a small group of self appointed and self described "leaders" did to their own race was even worse. There was a genuine contrition among a majority of whites many years ago that would have allowed a much more rapid recovery, had the preachers of hatred from both camps not used the situation to feather their nests.

That, of course, is just my opinion.

20 posted on 01/22/2003 5:08:02 PM PST by billhilly (On fire for BIG AL)
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To: genefromjersey
"( In our area, the Klan was most focused on Jews; there being a shortage of Afro-Americans nearby.)"

John Huang II, if you are listening, this could be the quote of the year.
21 posted on 01/22/2003 5:12:22 PM PST by billhilly (On fire for BIG AL)
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To: kattracks
There was an anti-communist group in existence in 1943.

They were called Nazis

22 posted on 01/22/2003 5:25:58 PM PST by syriacus (Those who attempt to cool the earth would bring freezing death to the poor and homeless.)
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To: kattracks
Bobby Byrd sure rose to a lofty position - Grand Kleagle and recruiter - for someone who had almost nothing to do with the Klan for just a couple of months.
23 posted on 01/22/2003 5:27:15 PM PST by mountaineer
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To: mountaineer
Bobby Byrd sure rose to a lofty position

He seems to be a person who likes to be in charge. I don't think he'd be very happy with being on a lower rung.

24 posted on 01/22/2003 5:34:07 PM PST by syriacus (Those who attempt to cool the earth would bring freezing death to the poor and homeless.)
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To: Free ThinkerNY
I know a Caucasian lady with a mixed-race child who refuses to move to the "white suburbs" of Pittsburgh because she's afraid of klan intimidation. To be honest, I didn't think this was a problem in this day and age, but she claims that the klan is still active.

Isolation of blacks was one of the goals of the klan in Byrd's day, so maybe that was one of his crimes.

25 posted on 01/22/2003 5:59:58 PM PST by Ciexyz
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To: Post Toasties
This was rural NY, not NJ. In that area, at that time, Democrats were about as common as blizzards in July.
My Dad was one, and there were at least 30-40 others in the township. The Republicans there had been in power so long, they felt they owned the place; and there were a few who treated local, county, or state government as if it were a cash cow. ( Politicians, no matter what their stripe, find it hard to resist being politicians.)
26 posted on 01/22/2003 6:12:29 PM PST by genefromjersey
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To: kattracks; All
The best summary of Byrd's KKK career appeared in the Washington Post earlier this year in a column by Colby King.

Here's the LINK

27 posted on 01/22/2003 6:35:34 PM PST by aculeus
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To: Post Toasties
Up until the late '60s, the Klan was an exclusively Democratic organization. Republicans, like Jews and Roman Catholics were barred from membership.
28 posted on 01/22/2003 6:43:05 PM PST by reg45
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To: aristeides
The Klan may have toned down its anti-Communism while the Soviets were our allies in WWII, but I'm reasonably sure they had a long history of being against Communism.

In my readings, the Klan was not especially anti Commie in the 1920s-50s. Their focus was anti Black, anti-Jew and anti-Catholic. They likely were involved with the pre-Pearl Harbor, America First movement which opposed America involvement in the war, but the American Communiust party also took a lead in that movement until Hitler invaded Russia in June of 41.

29 posted on 01/23/2003 8:44:24 AM PST by Ditto
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To: kattracks
"never submit to fight beneath that banner (the American flag) with a Negro by my side. Rather I should die a thousand times, and see Old Glory trampled in the dirt never to rise again, than to see this beloved land of ours become degraded by race mongrels, a throwback to the blackest specimen from the wilds."

Well, I see Byrd's penchant for bloviation has never been abandoned. I wonder about his racism.
30 posted on 01/23/2003 8:49:12 AM PST by aruanan
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To: aristeides

What I found incredibly ridiculous was the credibility of the story attached. One of my obsessions is American history, less of what we were taught in our textbooks and more of what really happens behind the scenes. Namely historically documented secretive and/or selective elite societies and fraternities, etc. Lets look at this dissect this sophomoric and factually irrelavent article.
“When Byrd said he joined the Klan, it couldn’t have been famous for being anti-Communist, since in 1943 the Soviet Union was our crucial ally in World War II,” said our source, who served in Air Force, then known as the Army Air Corps,

Uhhhh...........Karl Mark and Friedrich Engals, were spouting communist rhetoric that rocked eastern Europe immediately following the conclusion of WWI. by the late 20’s to early 30’s communism (or some incarnation or variation) was rampant and at the doorstep of westrern Europe.

Their “source”, uhhh........”some guy” that was in the Air Force? Excellent credentials for your “expert.” Hey my Grandfather was in the Army Air Corps too. When he was alive I don’ty think I ever heard him testify that Communism was a “good” thing just because we allied with Russia.

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In fact, anti-communism didn’t emerge as a genuine force in American politics until 1947, with the outbreak of the Cold War - four years after Byrd says he left the Klan. Two weeks ago the West Virginia Democrat’s press secretary Tom Gavin said his boss had belonged to the Klan for only “a number of months.” Further puncturing Sen. Byrd’s KKK alibi, the World War II vet recalled, “There would have been no reason for any patriotic American to have been anti-Communist in 1943 - because we were doing everything we could to help the Reds beat Hitler on the Eastern Front.” In fact, anti-communism didn’t emerge as a genuine force in American politics until 1947, with the outbreak of the Cold War - four years after Byrd says he left the Klan. Two weeks ago the West Virginia Democrat’s press secretary Tom Gavin said his boss had belonged to the Klan for only “a number of months.”

Let me assure you that regardless of when our own national media propaganda began trying to scare your average joe about communism, that era of the klan was way ahead of the curve. Although being an organization with ideals of American national sovereignty and superiority, they closely watched what was happening with other racially based belief systems developing in Europe, specifically the British Union who supported fascism, and in Germanic societies, the Thule Society, Black Sun Society, and eventually, the NSDAP. The Klan was worried about communism early on, as were the Germans. Also don’t forget that at the time of the outbreak of the war probably 60% of the caucasian population of this country were of German decsent, and many supported the German- American Bund which was also WELL aware of the perilous situation of the “old country”.

Why can’t the guy just admit he was in the Klan and say “Hey it was a different time”. Did you know that we had AT LEAST one president who was a Klansman. Did you know that almost every president was a Mason. Hell we even had a president that saw Bigfoot. Societies change and morph. Enough said. But come on, nobody joins the Klan just because it is anti-communist. It was only anti communist because communism directly threatened it’s primary objective. “Homogenous society comprised of people of only Western European decsent who are Christian but NOT Catholic, living under the framework of the original Constitution as interpreted by the persons who drafted the Confederate Constitution”. Now isn’t that simple?


33 posted on 03/23/2008 9:41:33 PM PDT by Trey73
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To: genefromjersey

I had a FB war today with various liberal relatives over Byrd, the Klan and its ties to the American German Bund and the left’s dirty little secret—Eugenics. Awful stuff to fight with liberals. They smugly resort to ad hominems.


34 posted on 07/01/2010 7:57:36 PM PDT by Pinetop (Yoo, Executive Power, Constitution, History)
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