No Joke: Poland is our best friend in Europe

The Weekly Standard ^ | 02/03/03 | Matthew Kaminski

[PeteyBoy]

In my hometown, Kosciuszko Square is a triangle---honest!

[Spirited]

"They helped the nazis identify all the Jews in Poland better than any other country. 90% of the Jews in Poland were killed in the holocaust."

That is post-war rhetoric written by Jews. Many of the Jews who were identified were done by their own fellow Jews. That was the case in the area of my family.

My own spouse is a descendantt of Judah and we have spent enough to get Russian Jews back to Israel so don't give me the old anti-semetic line. It is tired and very like what I hear from the Jesse Jackson/Al Sharpton group wresting privilege out of someone elses' pain. It is time to stand up and insist on truth not whining for or trading for privileged treatment.

Please take revisionist history surmised by those who were not there with grains of salt.

[College Repub]

When did I ever say anything about demanding privileged treatment or call anyone anti-semetic? I merely replied to a post that was talking about how brave the poles were in fighting the nazis with some facts that suggest otherwise.

[uncbuck]

Wasn't Copernicus Polish?

[justa-hairyape]

Actually, Hitlers plans for extermination also included the Poles. His plan called for the elimination of the Polish people by 1975. Not only that, Hitlers first visible racism occurred when he saw the slavic Poles living in Austria. That was documented in the book Hitler and Stalin. Obviously Hitler was an idiot. Little did he know that the King of Poland had saved Austria from the Turks a few centuries before. But then again, Old Europe has a history of stabbing New Europe in the back. Germanies invasion of Poland in 1939 took the Poles by complete surprise. You see the Old Europian country Germany had just signed a treaty. And when the Russians invaded Poland from the east about 2 weeks later, the Poles at first thought the Russians had come to help them fight the Germans. Stabbed in the back twice in two weeks by Old Europe. Never trust an Old Europian signature or for that matter their new champion, Saddam Hussien's.

[uncbuck]

They are welcome in the Union on this side of the pond whenever they like.

Anyone know the steps to statehood they would have to take?
The Constituion isn't very clear on this other than that its up to Congress.

[justa-hairyape]

When I was a young lad, the best Polish jokes I heard were told to me by my 100 % Polish relatives. I think the Polish have a great sense of humor, too.

[Austin Willard Wright]

Interesting. The Eastern block knows how to take orders and fall in line. It is a story of uniformity in both cases.

[Snake65]

Tak! Dzenkuje Bardzo!

[mamelukesabre]

yep. THey'd be even cooler though if they were protestant:)

[Petronski]

We would all do well to remember that when the German Enigma code was broken in Britain in 1940, it was done on the back of some mathematical work done by Poles and smuggled out of Poland by those same mathematicians in September 1939.

Anyone telling Polish jokes should be asked to sit down with slide rule and pencil and break the Enigma code.

[cynicom]

Poland will never trust Germany and France. History is their teacher.

[duke_h3]

Poland knows better than to rely on the French, who didn't do a damn thing to help Poland in her hour of need even after the French declared war on Nazi Germany.

Well, Poland didn't deserve any help. They saided with the Nazis them selfs and where very happy to help Hitler destroy Czechoslovakia 38. They got exactly what they deserved.

[happygrl]

I pointedly excluded them.

Go throw your cold water on another post.

This post is celebrating good friends, which the KLA and Bosnians are NOT.

[happygrl]

Most of those spoke out to try to save the Jews but the Jews have almost nothing to say about them.

What a lie and I'm not Jewish.

There is very much the tradition of speaking about them.

They are deemed "Righteous Gentiles". There is a grove of trees and a monument to them in Israel.

[happygrl]

The Eastern block knows how to take orders and fall in line. It is a story of uniformity in both cases.

Huh?

Your answer shows your knowledge of history is short. The Poles and Eastern Europeans were part of the "eastern Bloc" for a very short time in terms of their history.

Quips aren't a substitute for knowledge.

[dfwgator]

Well, Poland didn't deserve any help. They saided with the Nazis them selfs and where very happy to help Hitler destroy Czechoslovakia 38. They got exactly what they deserved.

Czechoslovakia stole Teschen (Cieszyn) back in 1919, the Poles rightfully stole it back in 1938. Don't play the Czechs as being completely innocent here.

[Spirited]

"What a lie and I'm not Jewish.

There is very much the tradition of speaking about them."

Then you can assure me that those who know the current meaning of holocaust also know of and about the righteous gentiles, too, or that holocaust applies to gentiles at all. Does holocaust these days apply to other than Jews who were "holocausted"?

I very well know about the grove of trees memorial. I know of very few Americans, English, Polish, or others globablly who do. Nor do I think it matters except that some can get the idea that goyim can only be righteous if they relate to certain people in a specific way.

Happygirl, the fact that you are not Jewish is of no consequence to me. People I respect,love and serve include Jewish, goyim, heathen, religious, etc.

They have something in common, however, truth is vitally important to them. They do not have one standard for the Jew, another for gentile, another for heathen, another for Republicans, etc. Truth is rarely used these days as a touchstone so it makes for a unique filter. Society's lack of it has brought us to the degradation, harm and the confusion we see all about us.

[Spirited]

"Actually, Hitlers plans for extermination also included the Poles. His plan called for the elimination of the Polish people by 1975. Not only that, Hitlers first visible racism occurred when he saw the slavic Poles living in Austria."

Thank you for that. I did not know it. The Austrian border changed so often that without moving one's family could have had a houseful of children born in various countries depending on the date.

[duke_h3]

Czechoslovakia stole Teschen (Cieszyn) back in 1919, the Poles rightfully stole it back in 1938. Don't play the Czechs as being completely innocent here.

I don't, not least since my knowledge of history in that area is not that good, impressive to find an American? T that knows the pre WW2 history this well. But in the case of Poland, the lessons learned should be that if you sleep with a serpent you should expect to get bitten. I don’t like the modern history teaching that constantly display Poland as an innocent victim of an aggressive Germany. The Poles played the same game, but they lost much earlier.