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Drug Laws as Cultural Lobotomy
Liberty Magazine ^ | 9/1995 | John Dentinger

Posted on 01/26/2003 6:20:50 AM PST by RJCogburn

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To: KDD
This was written by a graduate student who will go unnamed.

OK. (David B. King takes credit at http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Olympus/7695/INDEX.HTM.)

Do you stand by the following? (You didn't quote it just now.) "The polite voice of a policeman is nothing more than a mocking, deceitful expression of tyrannous authority--the arrogant inhumanity of power--even if the policeman truly believes he is being polite! The fact of government's omnipotence over the individual renders his politeness a mere hypocrisy. In fact, the truant officer is a kidnapper; the tax collector is a thief; the soldier is a murderer."

121 posted on 01/27/2003 11:07:01 AM PST by MrLeRoy ("That government is best which governs least.")
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To: MrLeRoy
Our Enemy, the State,
Albert Jay Nock:

CHAPTER 1
If we look beneath the surface of our public affairs, we can discern one fundamental fact, namely: a great redistribution of power between society and the State. This is the fact that interests the student of civilization. He has only a secondary or derived interest in matters like price-fixing, wage-fixing, inflation, political banking, "agricultural adjustment," and similar items of State policy that fill the pages of newspapers and the mouths of publicists and politicians. All these can be run up under one head. They have an immediate and temporary importance, and for this reason they monopolize public attention, but they all come to the same thing; which is, an increase of State power and a corresponding decrease of social power.

It is unfortunately none too well understood that, just as the State has no money of its own, so it has no power of its own. All the power it has is what society gives it, plus what it confiscates from time to time on one pretext or another; there is no other source from which State power can be drawn. Therefore every assumption of State power, whether by gift or seizure, leaves society with so much less power; there is never, nor can be, any strengthening of State power without a corresponding and roughly equivalent depletion of social power.

If you think the writer of this essay is an idiot, what must you think of Nock, one of our greatest conservative thinkers?

Or J.S. Mill, for that matter?

122 posted on 01/27/2003 11:08:56 AM PST by KDD
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To: KDD
I saw nothing to disagree with in your Nock quote.

Why won't you answer my question: 'Do you stand by the following? (You didn't quote it just now.) "The polite voice of a policeman is nothing more than a mocking, deceitful expression of tyrannous authority--the arrogant inhumanity of power--even if the policeman truly believes he is being polite! The fact of government's omnipotence over the individual renders his politeness a mere hypocrisy. In fact, the truant officer is a kidnapper; the tax collector is a thief; the soldier is a murderer."'
123 posted on 01/27/2003 11:15:19 AM PST by MrLeRoy ("That government is best which governs least.")
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To: MrLeRoy
Why won't you answer my question: 'Do you stand by the following? (You didn't quote it just now.) "The polite voice of a policeman is nothing more than a mocking, deceitful expression of tyrannous authority--the arrogant inhumanity of power--even if the policeman truly believes he is being polite! The fact of government's omnipotence over the individual renders his politeness a mere hypocrisy. In fact, the truant officer is a kidnapper; the tax collector is a thief; the soldier is a murderer."'

What have we learned about the "polite voice of a policeman" from Ruby Ridge and Waco and Elian. No knock raids, warrantless searchs, drug stop roadblocks ect.

Where was the polite voice of the policeman who shot a boyscout in the face because??? The tax collector is not a thief...he is a robber, with all the armed power of the polite voiced policeman behind him.

"the truant officer is a kidnapper"

Think DFCS and CPS and understand they can take your child from you without due process.

"the soldier is a murderer"

This is the tipoff that I didn't write this. It is one of the few things in the essay I do not agree with. The soldier is just the soldier.

124 posted on 01/27/2003 11:29:43 AM PST by KDD
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To: KDD
Why won't you answer my question: 'Do you stand by the following?

I guess the short answer is yes.

125 posted on 01/27/2003 11:34:01 AM PST by KDD
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To: KDD
The soldier is just the soldier.

I agree---and policemen (local) still do spend much of their time defending individual rights.

126 posted on 01/27/2003 11:36:02 AM PST by MrLeRoy ("That government is best which governs least.")
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To: KDD
I didn't write this.

May I suggest you add "Author's name withheld" (or something like that) to your home page?

127 posted on 01/27/2003 11:40:47 AM PST by MrLeRoy ("That government is best which governs least.")
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To: MrLeRoy
I grant permission to anyone to use my writings, or any parts of them, in any way that may help to further the spread of reason and freedom in our society...David King

When I first posted this essay, Mr. King had not granted permission to use his name.

Now that he is publishing his writings, I will find something new to put there.

Rosco managed to turn this debate from the subject matter at hand to this essay posted on my homepage. In that manner he avoided anwswers to my #97-#100.

With your assistance, I might add. You should know better then to fall into that trap by now. It's a common statist tactic.

128 posted on 01/27/2003 11:51:06 AM PST by KDD
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To: robertpaulsen
who to believe. You? Or the article you posted?

That's an easy one, Bob. Believe me.

I don't agree with everything in every article I post, after all, but present it for discussion. The fact....there's that word again....is that Zyban was FDA approved after the article was published in 1995. Pearson and Shaw were wrong there.

What I stated was a fact

I'll assume you are referring to your comments about adverse reactions to Dilantin. I would not dispute that...after all, that is what had been reported, as have adverse reactions for virtually all meds. You seemed to be trying to suggest that the putative 'cure' for smoking, Dilantin, was worse than smoking.

If so, then, yes, I'd say you are uneducated on that fact, Bob.

129 posted on 01/27/2003 11:57:50 AM PST by RJCogburn (Yes, it's bold talk......)
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To: KDD; LadyDoc
You're wasting your time. LadyDoc may be an MD but she's no heavy thinker. She reacts emotionally to the small slice of drug user cross section that comes through her practice and extrapolates that sample throughout society.

I'm sure her heart is good, but the heart has no grey matter.

130 posted on 01/27/2003 12:05:29 PM PST by William Terrell (Advertise in this space - Low rates)
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To: William Terrell
she's no heavy thinker.

Talk about irony.

131 posted on 01/27/2003 12:09:55 PM PST by Roscoe
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To: William Terrell
I'm sure her heart is good, but the heart has no grey matter.

LOL
Good intentions are forging the links in our chains.

132 posted on 01/27/2003 12:10:39 PM PST by KDD
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To: Roscoe
Are you ready to answer my question, yet?

What's intrinsically wrong with being "high", euphoric or having an alterered state of consciousness? God says not to? Where does He say that?

Hello?

134 posted on 01/27/2003 12:19:10 PM PST by William Terrell (Advertise in this space - Low rates)
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To: WORLD SUCKELS USAS BREAST
When a drug users actions affects the rest of the population something should be done.

Perhaps---but what are those effects, and should that "something" be done by government?

135 posted on 01/27/2003 12:21:07 PM PST by MrLeRoy ("That government is best which governs least.")
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To: KDD
After I posted that , I came to the realization that the drug warriors out here are smart. They realize that the foundation for the drug war is so weak that they must fight down to the level of absurdity for every tiny underlying principle. If any drug prohibition point is publicly acknowledged to fail, the entire heap collapses.

They're smart enough to protect every rotten timber in their platform, but dumb enough to remain standing on it.

136 posted on 01/27/2003 12:28:20 PM PST by William Terrell (Advertise in this space - Low rates)
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To: thisiskubrick
And you know what? Overall, for most people, it doesn't make that much difference. Most people usually don't take drugs after their twenties 'cause they have to hold down a job. They don't gamble because it's a waste of money. And they don't induldge in ho's because the wife or girlfriend will break up with them if they're caught.

There are people that abuse all three, but they aren't locked up. Instead, they pay the personal price of vice: bad health, financial ruin and broken relationships.

Making drugs legal won't make for a utopia. Locking up all the drug users won't make for a safe society.

The drug war is about control over your life...

thisiskubrick, Thanks for posting in FR's backroom. I agree with your tag line. The running liberal pig-dogs will indeed be turned into bbq toasties in the sea of fire.

As far as I know, no American government Roscoe-like creatures have yet declared it illegal to lurk about in seedy areas of the internet such as FR's backroom. In America we may pay to have government Roscoe's toss our threads into the backroom, but we damned well have a God-given right (for the moment) to lurk and post in the backrooms!

Of course, in America "the privacy in one's home" in which one is free to lurk may be re/un-defined at any moment by nest fulls of government Roscoe-like creatures. I'm sure Ashcroft is planning raids and mega-trials right now pursuant to the Anti-FR Backroom Commission's findings that lurking and posting in FR's backrooms is a danger equivalent to slothful witch-craft--and may prosecuted under statutes still on the books. And as he well should! If Ashcroft doesn't protect me from this vice of watching the back room antics of Roscoe and CJ, I will be in a worse condition than any image of a drug user LAYING IN THE STREETS that Roscoe or Cultural Holy Warrior could imagine! And then the rest of the country will soon follow. We need these raids now and some new anti-FR backroom legislation while they're at it.

And speaking of hordes of drug users LAYING IN THE STREETS. Mrs Graham and I spent a couple of enjoyable weeks in Melbourne a few years ago, and it being my first trip to Australia, I was very interested in keeping an eye out for any major differences between a socialist country ruled mainly by Soccer Dads/Moms and what we have here in socialist America--a coalition between "liberal" Soccer Dads/Moms and the Church Ladies and their Husbands.

Contrary to what we pay our government Holy Warriors to tell us, not only did we not see 3 million drug users LAYING IN THE STREETS, we didn't see any drug users LAYING IN THE STREETS. In fact, the STREETS seemed to have a liveliness not found in America's cities--especially in the late afternoons and evenings on the weekends.

On the whole, though, it seemed that Australia's Soccer Moms/Dads are used as dupes by the knavish Racketeers just as profitably as America's Church Ladies and their Husbands. Hence, your economic socialism is similar to ours. We noticed high level drug bust narco-cracy stories in the newspapers nearly every day. The way the Gambling Racket is run in Australia (1 major casino per state) is another example of how the Soccer Moms can be utilized just as fittingly as dupes for the knaves that rule the world.

But you have gambling "pokies" everywhere and you aren't waging a pogrom against gamblers and drug users. Millions of Australians have not been bullied into jails, prisons, probation, programs, and re-education camps. There's your difference between Soccer Mom Socialism and Church Lady Socialism.

137 posted on 01/27/2003 12:33:16 PM PST by Libertarian Billy Graham
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To: William Terrell
Talk about irony.
138 posted on 01/27/2003 12:33:28 PM PST by Roscoe
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To: William Terrell
Thus it is that what we are attempting to do in this rapid survey of the historical progress of certain ideas, is to trace the genesis of an attitude of mind, a set of terms in which now practically everyone thinks of the State; and then to consider the conclusions towards which this psychical phenomenon unmistakably points. Instead of recognizing the State as "the common enemy of all well-disposed, industrious and decent men," the run of mankind, with rare exceptions, regards it not only as a final and indispensable entity, but also as, in the main, beneficent.

The mass-man, ignorant of its history, regards its character and intentions as social rather than anti-social; and in that faith he is willing to put at its disposal an indefinite credit of knavery, mendacity and chicane, upon which its administrators may draw at will. Instead of looking upon the State's progressive absorption of social power with the repugnance and resentment that he would naturally feel towards the activities of a professional-criminal organization, he tends rather to encourage and glorify it, in the belief that he is somehow identified with the State, and that therefore, in consenting to its indefinite aggrandizement, he consents to something in which he has a share - he is, pro tanto, aggrandizing himself.

Professor Ortega y Gasset analyzes this state of mind extremely well. The mass-man, he says, confronting the phenomenon of the State, "sees it, admires it, knows that there it is. . . . Furthermore, the mass-man sees in the State an anonymous power, and feeling himself, like it, anonymous, he believes that the State is something of his own. Suppose that in the public life of a country some difficulty, conflict, or problem, presents itself, the mass-man will tend to demand that the State intervene immediately and undertake a solution directly with its immense and unassailable resources. . . . When the mass suffers any ill-fortune, or simply feels some strong appetite, its great temptation is that permanent sure possibility of obtaining everything, without effort, struggle, doubt, or risk, merely by touching a button and setting the mighty machine in motion."

Nock..From Chapter 6
139 posted on 01/27/2003 12:39:40 PM PST by KDD (smoking pot makes you pregnant says gov.)
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To: KDD
"smoking pot makes you pregnant says gov."

LOL!
140 posted on 01/27/2003 12:52:43 PM PST by MrLeRoy ("That government is best which governs least.")
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