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Michelle Malkin/Ricardo Pimental debate
myself ^ | 1/26/2003 | Myself

Posted on 01/26/2003 6:58:48 PM PST by stylin_geek

I had the pleasure of attending a debate featuring Michelle Malkin and Ricardo Pimental. I did get a couple of good pics, along with finding out just how stunning Ms. Malkin is. Believe me, pictures do not do her justice. Especially since I was nervous and my hands were shaking while trying to take her picture. It helped I had a sign that said "Free Republic loves Michelle." I showed her the sign, she laughed, I asked for pictures, and she was nice enough to oblige.

The debate was current border policy, vs tightening down as much as possible on illegal immigration. Mr Ricardo took the narrow position of tighter immigration policy hurting illegal but hard working Mexicans, while Ms. Malkin talked about the broader issue of 9/11 showing the dangers of current immigration policy. Mr. Pimental did come across as being pretty well informed about the narrow issue, well spoken, and had a rather self-deprecating sense of humor.

Ms. Malkin was very articulate, did a good job of rebutting Mr. Picardo, though she did get caught once, and was left speechless when Mr. Pimental asked her how a National Guardsmen would be able to stop an Al Quada terrorist when he has trouble stopping an Illegal Mexican who barely has an 8th grade education.

I was surprised at the turnout and I wound up sitting in the lobby, watching on closed circuit tv. But, showing up late allowed me to get my pics of Ms. Malkin, so it was worth the price of admission.

If anyone cares for more detail about the debate, let me know, I have several pages of notes and I will write something a little more in depth.

One thing Ms. Malkin said which brought quite a round of applause, "A nation without borders is not a nation."

The debate was interesting, and both speakers actually engaged in dialogue and counter dialogue, without resorting to the personal attacks which seem to typify a lot of what passes for debate these days.



TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Government; Your Opinion/Questions
KEYWORDS: illegal; immigrantlist; immigration; malkin; michelle; policy; ricardo
I also engaged in a discussion with the protesters, and one of them was quite interesting to talk with. Another was completely inconsistent, as she hated government, but was willing to pay more taxes, and thought everyone should be paid at least $11 per hour.
1 posted on 01/26/2003 6:58:48 PM PST by stylin_geek
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To: stylin_geek
Having seen her on TV, I must agree. She is very nice to look at.
Brainy as all get out, too!
2 posted on 01/26/2003 7:01:05 PM PST by Abcdefg
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To: stylin_geek; agitator; carenot; Marine Inspector; AnnaZ; Mercuria; eabinga
PING!!
3 posted on 01/26/2003 7:04:05 PM PST by stylin_geek
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To: stylin_geek
O. Ricardo Pimental: His newspaper columns should carry a barf alert.
4 posted on 01/26/2003 7:09:00 PM PST by lakey
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To: stylin_geek
I was there also.

Had a great time and spent most of it with Michelle. I should have a photo of Michelle and I up by tomorrow.

There were several officers from the INS in the audience.

I left right after the debate, as the wife is about to pop out my third child.

5 posted on 01/26/2003 7:13:10 PM PST by Marine Inspector
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To: lakey
Believe me, based on his articles, I was biased against him before the debate. However, after listening to him speak, I do like him better. Afterwards, I was able to shake his hand, and told him I completely disagreed with him, but that I gave him a lot of credit for showing up. He may be wrong, but he has the courage of his convictions.
6 posted on 01/26/2003 7:13:14 PM PST by stylin_geek
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To: stylin_geek
Glenn Spencer from The American Border Patrol was there and video taped the event.

He should have a streaming video up in a few days.

7 posted on 01/26/2003 7:16:21 PM PST by Marine Inspector
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To: stylin_geek
However, after listening to him speak, I do like him better. Afterwards, I was able to shake his hand, and told him I completely disagreed with him, but that I gave him a lot of credit for showing up. He may be wrong, but he has the courage of his convictions.

Ditto.

8 posted on 01/26/2003 7:16:59 PM PST by Marine Inspector
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To: Marine Inspector
Feel free to critique what I put up about the debate. First time I have done such a thing, and any pointers or suggestions would be welcome.
9 posted on 01/26/2003 7:19:36 PM PST by stylin_geek
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To: stylin_geek
It looks good to me and sums it up quite nicely.

I had a VIP ticket and was to sit up front, but it was oversold, so I stood in the back by the cameras.

I was hard to hear at first, but once they got everyone quite, you could hear just fine in the back.

There was a young Hispanic couple a few rows down from the back and right behind the row of INS officers, that were making snide comments under their breaths. They and the INS officers had a few words when everyone filed out of the auditorium.

10 posted on 01/26/2003 7:24:43 PM PST by Marine Inspector
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To: stylin_geek
Thanks for the info. I'd like to read more, when you have time to go back to your notes. Where was the debate?
11 posted on 01/26/2003 7:27:50 PM PST by Think free or die
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To: stylin_geek
Afterwards, I was able to shake his hand, and told him I completely disagreed with him, but that I gave him a lot of credit for showing up. He may be wrong, but he has the courage of his convictions.

That's whats it's all about friend. I would rather have one man who speaks his mind dirctly to me, though I disagree with him, than 100 men who placate or draw back from me.

KUDOS to you.

FMCDH

12 posted on 01/26/2003 7:31:54 PM PST by nothingnew (the pendulum always swings back and the socialists are now in the pit)
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To: Think free or die
The debate was held at Steele Auditorium of the Arizona Historical Society Museum in Tempe, AZ. I will ping as many as I can once I can get back to my notes, and have time to give a more detailed account of what was actually said.
13 posted on 01/26/2003 7:42:21 PM PST by stylin_geek
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To: stylin_geek; All
Top left photo, Michelle graciously allowing me to take her picture, bottom left, Michelle signing books, bottom right, crowd leaving debate, top right, clean and relatively articulate protesters.
14 posted on 01/26/2003 7:47:07 PM PST by stylin_geek
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To: nothingnew
Thank you.
15 posted on 01/26/2003 7:47:42 PM PST by stylin_geek
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To: stylin_geek
Thank you. Look forward to seeing it.
16 posted on 01/26/2003 7:50:09 PM PST by Think free or die
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To: lakey
O. Ricardo Pimental: His newspaper columns should carry a barf alert.

They should carry a picture of an olive - stuffed with him!!

17 posted on 01/26/2003 8:20:49 PM PST by potlatch (The Clinton Legacy; SEX BETWEEN THE BUSHES)
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To: lakey
As should the entire Arizona Republic!!
18 posted on 01/26/2003 8:47:10 PM PST by kaktuskid
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To: stylin_geek
Please post all the details. I was supposed to attend it, along with the big Republican meeting (I'm a State Comiteeman) that morning, but instead had an emergency (SQL Worm) at work that kept me there from 4am to 8pm. Hated to miss it but had no choice.
19 posted on 01/26/2003 8:55:55 PM PST by Spiff
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To: kaktuskid
Our subscription continues to be paid only because we like the comics and puzzles. Editors wanted very much to get rid of daily B.C., and did cut The Wizard of Id down to only on Sundays. We also like Rob Robb and Business section Talton.
20 posted on 01/26/2003 8:59:15 PM PST by lakey
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To: potlatch
A Pimental pimento - will that be gin or vodka?
21 posted on 01/26/2003 9:01:01 PM PST by lakey
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To: stylin_geek
Anybody who advocates erasing the sovereignty of our national borders is not likeable, much less trustworthy - IMO.
22 posted on 01/26/2003 9:06:46 PM PST by lakey
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To: *immigrant_list; madfly; Tancredo Fan; Joe Hadenuf; Tailgunner Joe; ShuShu; eye for an eye; FITZ; ..
PING
23 posted on 01/27/2003 12:12:34 AM PST by gubamyster
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To: lakey
Unfortunately, I misspelled his last name. It should read "Pimentel."
24 posted on 01/27/2003 2:40:29 AM PST by stylin_geek
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To: stylin_geek
Way ta go!
26 posted on 01/27/2003 5:05:36 AM PST by carenot
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To: stylin_geek; Sabertooth; Spiff; HiJinx; MissAmericanPie; CIBvet; AZHSer; AnnaZ; Mercuria; ...
Thanks for posting this. Please ping me when you have more copy. I regret that I was unable to attend. Pinging others.
27 posted on 01/27/2003 7:51:47 AM PST by madfly
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To: stylin_geek
Thanks for your report. Sounds like there was a great turn-out. Wish I could have been there. Will look forward to reading more about the debate.

Heard that this debate will be televised at a later date, but I don't know when or on what channel.

28 posted on 01/27/2003 8:06:27 AM PST by dittomom
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To: madfly; stylin_geek; Sabertooth; Spiff; HiJinx; MissAmericanPie; CIBvet; AZHSer; AnnaZ; Mercuria
Thank you for this report.

Allow me to indulge in a slight ad hominem attack on the Pimental fellow. That is to say, IMHO, many Latinos, especially Mexicans, take any attempt to control our borders as a racial attack upon "their people" and some sort of de facto expression of white, protestant aversion to "foreigners."

I won't even deny that the growing "Border Control" movement DOES attract the odd racist, or even two. However, this is far from the main event. As hard as it is for anyone left-of-center to admit, even a racist can be right, even if for the wrong reasons.

At this point in the Disaster on the Border I would settle for the same control over our border with Mexico that the Mexicans exert on their border with Belize and Guatemala. I would like us to control illegal aliens from any land with the same thoroughness and zeal the Mexican Government, uncharacteristically, displays with their efforts against foreigners even temporarily in residence in Mexico for other than touristic reasons.

Furthermore, when it comes to racism, the Mexicans themselves are certainly not above reproach. If one looks at their TV, one can easily see that they portray themselves as racial types which might look more at home in Norway or Milan, rather than in Chiapas. There are no 5', mahogany-colored Indians on their soap operas.

The Border-Erasers have been wickedly clever in identifying their cause, which is the de facto return of the Southwest to Mexican sovereignty, or failing that the latinization of the entire US, with the Civil Rights Movement based on skin color. It's no surprise, the homosexuals are attempting ... and succeeding ... in the same strategy. The Clever Left has merely adopted a successful set of tools to bamboozle the Stupid Right into feeling guilty.

Those who wish to change our laws of citizenship, residence, and border control are welcome to do so through the normal channels open to citizens. Aliens, legal or illegal, have no place in the debate. The Republicans should urge obedience to present law and see that the left gets its God-given opportunity to be voted down on this issue.

The Pimentel-type people are suceeding in bringing this to an emotional playing field, not a rational one.

29 posted on 01/27/2003 8:30:36 AM PST by Kenny Bunk
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Thanks for the ping.

I also notice that the only 5', mahogany-colored Indians I see anywhere on Univision are the snaggle-toothed peasants staring wide-eyed from the audience. The camera seems to take delight in displaying their oddities.

Quite a contrast to all the rest of the blondhaired, lite-skinned decendents from Spain.

30 posted on 01/27/2003 1:37:05 PM PST by CIBvet
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To: stylin_geek; madfly
Thanks for posting your take on this debate. Unfortunately, I wan't able to attend, but was anticipating a successful turnout, which it sounds like it was. Michelle is awesome, she speaks for many.

Looking forward to your report in detail.

31 posted on 01/27/2003 1:50:47 PM PST by kstewskis
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To: stylin_geek
Have you noticed that their has been no media coverage on the debate.

The Republic had it's own man there and has printed nothing in three days.

The East Valley Tribune had a reporter there and they have had no story in three days either.

The Sonoran News should have a story tomorrow, as they help host the event.

32 posted on 01/28/2003 5:22:36 PM PST by Marine Inspector
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To: Marine Inspector
Yeah, Ricardo didn't even comment in his column, and I did email him the link, so he could refute anything I might have put up.

He did write back thanking me for letting him know I had something up on the web about the debate, though.

33 posted on 01/29/2003 1:46:25 PM PST by stylin_geek
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To: Marine Inspector
I left right after the debate, as the wife is about to pop out my third child.

Congratulations! Did she pop yet?
I really wanted to go to this debate, but I had to stay home and take care of my wife. She was ordered to stay on bed rest.

34 posted on 01/30/2003 7:24:58 AM PST by occam's chainsaw (Support your local Border Patrol)
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