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1 posted on 01/26/2003 9:28:03 PM PST by Siobhan
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2 posted on 01/26/2003 9:28:57 PM PST by Siobhan (+ Kyrie eleison. +)
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FYI ping.
3 posted on 01/26/2003 9:33:18 PM PST by Siobhan (+ Kyrie eleison. +)
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Thank you. This was a great find.
8 posted on 01/26/2003 10:04:10 PM PST by Shethink13
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I'm more optimistic when I read that there are a lot of pro-lifers among the younger generation. They feel the loss of members of their own generation. It's a big loss.

Our 7-year old son was listening to the news recently and came to ask what abortion was. When I explained it, he couldn't fathom why anyone wouldn't want a baby. He said a baby was a gift from God; why would anyone not want this great gift. Why indeed.

10 posted on 01/26/2003 10:50:10 PM PST by Think free or die
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First, the author talks about women not having a chance to talk about their grief or other feelings associated with having an abortion. While she is describing a very real problem, there is a solution. Many places have good crisis pregnancy centers that offer support groups for women who have had abortions. These women come together and talk about their experiences. Many of these centers are Christian-based, and I can imagine that women who are not Christians could be uncomfortable. However, I would still urge any woman who wants to talk about her situation to contact one of these centers. As a man, I could only become involved to a limited extent, but I did some writing for a center in Houston. I know that the ladies there truly care about those who come to them seeking help.

The author says that she sees little to encourage her about the prospects of banning abortion. I agree that the movement has some big problems to overcome before passing effective legislation. I think one of the biggest is separating the goal of punishing those who kill unborn children from other social goals that many in the pro-life movement have. However, I believe that a time will come when a "critical mass" of people suddenly realize that the unborn child is a person. When that happens, many more will come to this realization quickly. As they vote what they have come to realize, the laws will change just as quickly.

Abortion - Not About Sex
Bill

11 posted on 01/26/2003 11:18:37 PM PST by WFTR
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To: Siobhan
"When we consider that women are treated as property, it is degrading to women that we should treat our children as property to be disposed of as we see fit." - Elizabeth Cady Stanton in a letter to Julia Ward Howe, October 16, 1873. Recorded in Howe's diary at Harvard University Library.
12 posted on 01/26/2003 11:58:30 PM PST by nickcarraway
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14 posted on 01/27/2003 12:31:01 AM PST by MarMema
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It takes great strength to admit that you were wrong; look at how few people can do it, even when the payoff would be high. It takes extraordinary strength to admit that you were wrong over something of this magnitude, where the consequences have been so vile. Miss Mathewes-Green, I salute you.

Freedom, Wealth, and Peace,
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15 posted on 01/27/2003 5:14:14 AM PST by fporretto (Curmudgeon Emeritus, Palace of Reason)
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An Orthodox ping for a great Orthodox writer.
16 posted on 01/27/2003 5:31:06 AM PST by FormerLib
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Time magazine's RvW anniversary article had the following stat: 53% of women ages 18-39 believe that "abortion is murder." I can't find the article. Anybody else?
19 posted on 01/27/2003 7:06:52 AM PST by WaveThatFlag
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It certainly is gratifying to see an Orthodox writing and speaking on this most important violation of human rights.

A question to the Orthodox watchers: In looking at the Greek Orthodox Church website there was absolutely no reference to the March for Life. No words, no proclamations, nothing. Where is the Orthodox Church on abortion publicly? I know that the GOC is honoring Senator Sarbanes who voted for keeping partial birth abortion as a legal option. What gives?

20 posted on 01/27/2003 7:20:36 AM PST by eleni121
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Thanks for the post, it's a good one well worth saving.

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24 posted on 01/27/2003 10:34:42 AM PST by Coleus (RU 486 Kills Babies)
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"In the year 1864, Lucifer together with a large number of demons will be unloosed from hell; they will put an end to faith little by little, even in those dedicated to God. Woe to the Princes of the Church who think only of piling riches to protect their authority and dominate with pride. The Vicar of my Son will suffer a great deal, because for a while the Church will yield to large persecution, a time of darkness, and the Church will witness a frightful crisis....Rome will lose the faith and become the seat of the Antichrist. For now is the time of all times, the end of all ends. The Church will be in eclipse, the world will be in dismay....Now is the time; the abyss is opening. Here is the king of kings of darkness, here is the Beast with his subjects, calling himself the savior of the world."...

25 posted on 01/27/2003 10:37:46 AM PST by Coleus (RU 486 Kills Babies)
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Instead of being one small tool for women's advancement, abortion opened a chasm, and a lot of unexpected things fell in. It turned out to be an irresistible force, because abortion makes things so much easier for everyone around the pregnant woman. Before Roe, unplanned pregnancy created many problems for many people — the woman's lover, her parents, her siblings, her boss, her landlord, her dean. Abortion changes the picture instantly: Just go get it taken care of, dear, and it will be as if it never happened. Women were expected to do the sensible thing and save everyone else a lot of fuss and bother. Overnight, unplanned pregnancy became her private problem, a burden for her to bear alone. Abortion-rights rhetoric compounded this effect with terms emphasizing her isolation: My body, my rights, my life, my choice. The flip side of all that first-person assertiveness is abandonment. The network of support that once existed had been shattered.

To continue a pregnancy came to look like an insane choice, one that placed an unfair burden on others. Having a baby in less-than-perfect circumstances came to look like a crazy and even selfish whim. A woman in an unplanned pregnancy was not just permitted to have an abortion — she was expected to. And that has made all the difference.

This ought to be required reading for every teenage girl out there being inculcated with the twisted feminazi definition of Independence. If they want examples of "male oppression of women", all they need do is take an honest look at why the majority of abortions take place.

Thanks for posting; this is one of the best essays I've seen on the topic.

26 posted on 01/27/2003 11:01:11 AM PST by workerbee
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In the summer, only a few elderly women go to Mass. The rest work on Sundays all summer long. In the winter, when they don't know what to do, they go to Mass just to make fun of religion. In Lent they go to the butcher shops like dogs.
27 posted on 01/27/2003 11:08:59 AM PST by Coleus (RU 486 Kills Babies)
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An essay definitely worth reading.
28 posted on 01/27/2003 12:15:32 PM PST by Siobhan (+ Kyrie eleison. +)
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ProLife Ping!

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30 posted on 01/27/2003 1:16:02 PM PST by Mr. Silverback
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An evening bump for this excellent essay.
32 posted on 01/27/2003 3:57:57 PM PST by Siobhan (+ Kyrie eleison. +)
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Siobhan,That was a great aticle,I read the whole thing.
33 posted on 01/27/2003 4:16:48 PM PST by fatima
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Over 40 million abortions means a lot of grief.

40 million = a generation lost. When the author is ready retire, she will feel the pinch of those lost lives with far fewer care givers - doctors, nurses, hospice workers. She will struggle to find electricians, plumbers, restaurant wait staff, store employees. Odds are, she will not be forced to retire later in life, as there will be fewer contributions into social security and pension funds.

Those who would have helped her through the senior years were discarded, like old newspapers, with yesterday's trash.

37 posted on 01/27/2003 6:49:21 PM PST by NYer (Kyrie Eleison)
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