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Seventeen Years Ago Today
January 28, 1986 | Ronald Reagan

Posted on 01/28/2003 8:27:33 AM PST by Indy Pendance

The Challenger Disaster


Ronald Reagan -- Oval Office of the White House, January 28, 1986

Ladies and Gentlemen, I'd planned to speak to you tonight to report on the state of the Union, but the events of earlier today have led me to change those plans. Today is a day for mourning and remembering. Nancy and I are pained to the core by the tragedy of the shuttle Challenger. We know we share this pain with all of the people of our country. This is truly a national loss.

Nineteen years ago, almost to the day, we lost three astronauts in a terrible accident on the ground. But, we've never lost an astronaut in flight; we've never had a tragedy like this. And perhaps we've forgotten the courage it took for the crew of the shuttle; but they, the Challenger Seven, were aware of the dangers, but overcame them and did their jobs brilliantly. We mourn seven heroes: Michael Smith, Dick Scobee, Judith Resnik, Ronald McNair, Ellison Onizuka, Gregory Jarvis, and Christa McAuliffe. We mourn their loss as a nation together.

For the families of the seven, we cannot bear, as you do, the full impact of this tragedy. But we feel the loss, and we're thinking about you so very much. Your loved ones were daring and brave, and they had that special grace, that special spirit that says, 'Give me a challenge and I'll meet it with joy.' They had a hunger to explore the universe and discover its truths. They wished to serve, and they did. They served all of us.

We've grown used to wonders in this century. It's hard to dazzle us. But for twenty-five years the United States space program has been doing just that. We've grown used to the idea of space, and perhaps we forget that we've only just begun. We're still pioneers. They, the members of the Challenger crew, were pioneers.

And I want to say something to the schoolchildren of America who were watching the live coverage of the shuttle's takeoff. I know it is hard to understand, but sometimes painful things like this happen. It's all part of the process of exploration and discovery. It's all part of taking a chance and expanding man's horizons. The future doesn't belong to the fainthearted; it belongs to the brave. The Challenger crew was pulling us into the future, and we'll continue to follow them...

I've always had great faith in and respect for our space program, and what happened today does nothing to diminish it. We don't hide our space program. We don't keep secrets and cover things up. We do it all up front and in public. That's the way freedom is, and we wouldn't change it for a minute. We'll continue our quest in space. There will be more shuttle flights and more shuttle crews and, yes, more volunteers, more civilians, more teachers in space. Nothing ends here; our hopes and our journeys continue. I want to add that I wish I could talk to every man and woman who works for NASA or who worked on this mission and tell them: "Your dedication and professionalism have moved and impressed us for decades. And we know of your anguish. We share it."

There's a coincidence today. On this day 390 years ago, the great explorer Sir Francis Drake died aboard ship off the coast of Panama. In his lifetime the great frontiers were the oceans, and a historian later said, 'He lived by the sea, died on it, and was buried in it.' Well, today we can say of the Challenger crew: Their dedication was, like Drake's, complete.

The crew of the space shuttle Challenger honoured us by the manner in which they lived their lives. We will never forget them, nor the last time we saw them, this morning, as they prepared for the journey and waved goodbye and 'slipped the surly bonds of earth' to 'touch the face of God.'


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To: Pyro7480
At that time, he [Reagan] always seemed to me like America's Grandfather to me, as much as he was the President, and that day he was both.

Interesting. For me it was Eisenhower.

61 posted on 01/28/2003 9:38:44 AM PST by elbucko (If G. Gordon Liddy is correct, "Mo" Dean is "Deepthroat.)
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To: Indy Pendance
Thanks.
62 posted on 01/28/2003 9:39:46 AM PST by Desdemona
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To: HELLRAISER II
I was in Germany. Another American in my building came to my door because she was listening to German radio and heard the words Space Shuttle Challenger, explosion, and tot (German word for “dead”) all in the same sentence. Neither one of us had a TV so I turned on my radio and translated. It was weird and terrible.
63 posted on 01/28/2003 9:45:02 AM PST by meowmeow
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To: luckodeirish
Might just be folklore, but that's the was I always heard it.

Not folklore. McGee, a Flight Lieutenant in the RAF, wrote it while flying a Spitfire. The family has the envelope he wrote it on. John McGee was killed in 1941 in a mid-air collision with a British military transport, an "Anson". The poem was carried by Apollo 11 Astronaut, Michael Collins as a tribute to the poems author. Collins read it out loud as he circled the Moon in July of 1969..

64 posted on 01/28/2003 9:46:11 AM PST by elbucko ("Achtung! Spitfire!")
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To: Indy Pendance
Oh, I remember this...I was at work at IDS, in Minneapolis, & a co-worker stood up in her cube and screamed. She had been on the phone with her mother & her mother was watching the liftoff.
65 posted on 01/28/2003 9:47:55 AM PST by nina0113
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To: Indy Pendance
I was sitting at my desk in the Arkansas Governor's office when the Chief of Staff, Betsey Wright, walked up to my door with a stricken look and said the Shuttle had just blown up. WHAT?!? Unbelievable then...can't believe it's been 17 years. What a long, strange trip...
66 posted on 01/28/2003 9:48:25 AM PST by joey'smom
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To: Desdemona
You're welcome. I happened to study this case in one of my grad classes. It's appalling that these so called managers overroad the lives of 7 people. Do you happen to know what happened to those managers?
67 posted on 01/28/2003 9:49:05 AM PST by Indy Pendance
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To: Indy Pendance
Do you happen to know what happened to those managers?

No. My family got the unadulterated tale from somebody who was working at NASA in 1990. All I know is they kept passing the decision upwards. It was, like, five steps higher than normal. Nobody wanted to make it.

Then when Reagan set up the Blue Robbin panel, Chuck Yeager walked in, picked up a few reports, read them and said, Don't launch under 45 degrees. That was the end of him on the panel. A few years and millions of dollars later, the blue ribbon gang came up with, Don't launch under 45 degrees.
68 posted on 01/28/2003 9:54:04 AM PST by Desdemona
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To: Paradox
I thought I was dreaming, since I had had many nightmares of just that scenerio, the shuttle blowing up on launch.

As God is my witness, I had the following conversation with a friend the night before:

Friend: There's another shuttle launch tomorrow.

Me: Nobody pays attention to those launches anymore. For it to be news, the thing would have to blow up.

I felt really bad about it for a while.

Reminds me of a conversation I had at Moran's in the World Financial Center a week before Sept 11. We were commenting on the 93 bombing & how incompetant the terrorists were that they couldn't bring the building down. Having read Tom Clancy, I guessed a plane loaded with explosives might do it. Weird.

69 posted on 01/28/2003 10:02:28 AM PST by WaveThatFlag
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To: Desdemona
Found something:

Both Boisjoly and McDonald testified before the presidential panel regarding their opposition to the launch and the decision of their managers (who were also engineers) to override their recommendation. Both Boisjoly and McDonald also testified that following their expressed opposition to the launch and their willingness to come forward, they had been isolated from NASA and subsequently demoted. Since testifying, McDonald has been assigned to "special projects." Boisjoly, who took medical leave for post-traumatic stress disorder, has left Thiokol, but he does receive disability pay from the company. Currently, Mr. Boisjoly operates a consulting firm in Mesa, Arizona. He speaks frequently on business ethics to professional organizations and companies.

In May 1986, then-CEO Locke stated, in an interview with the Wall Street Journal, "This shuttle thing will cost us this year 10 cents a share." Locke later protested that his statement had been taken out of context.

In 1989, Morton Norwich separated from Thiokol Chemical Corporation. The two companies had previously merged to become Morton Thiokol. Following the separation, Thiokol Chemical became Thiokol Corporation. Morton returned to the salt business, and Thiokol, which will remain under contract with NASA through 1999, redesigned its space shuttle rocket motor to correct the deficiencies. No one at Thiokol was fired following the Challenger accident. Because of this incident and defense contractor indictments, the Government Accountability Project was established in Washington, D. C. The office provides a staff, legal assistance, and pamphlets to help whistle-blowers working on government projects.

70 posted on 01/28/2003 10:05:16 AM PST by Indy Pendance
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To: Desdemona
It was NOT the engineers at Morton-Thyacol.

You mean the engineers who sent message after message to NASA, telling them not to launch? Absolutely!!! The fault lies with the @#$%&^*()* bureaucratic IDIOTS who ignored them. Sadly, such idiots have more or less taken over at NASA.

71 posted on 01/28/2003 10:05:27 AM PST by ArrogantBustard
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To: ArrogantBustard
See post 70 AB.

You know, if I wasn't a defense brat, I might not believe this stuff.
72 posted on 01/28/2003 10:07:17 AM PST by Desdemona
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To: ArrogantBustard
Also see my post 55.
73 posted on 01/28/2003 10:13:18 AM PST by Indy Pendance
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To: Indy Pendance
Thanks for posting this remembrance. I was younger then, working in Safety in STS payload integration. It was the job I will always remember. I had the opportunity to travel and see the whole world. It was a time when Ronald Reagan had returned hope, optimism to America.

I was very much a part of the business the day it happened. I received a telephone call that morning and hollered at all my colleagues to listen up. As I repeated the news out loud, I saw the shocked faces and reactions. Some said it was sabatage but I said "no, I suspect some was cutting corners". I was right but who cares. It was a horrible tragedy.

I had predicted one year earlier in March 1985 that an accident would eventually happen to the Orbiter and that it would occur at the the location of the most energy at the weakest interface, a weakness magnified under freezing conditions. I guessed the SRB seam components. My friends in the business reminded me of this prediction on the day of the accident and wondered how I knew. I didn't. I had just developed a sense of engineering judgement supplemented with knowledge of material performance. I blurted it out when someone started a discussion of the likelihood of an accident, I was remembering a U.S. nuclear submarine captain saying "with certainty, there will be another Thresher, another submarine accident". Remind me to tell the story of the submarine and the fog, if anyone is interested.

I followed the investigative hearings and prepared reports for those hearings. Many on my team were thinking the downtime would be about six months. I said no, it will be more like three years. I was right again but who cares.

Our team held on for two years before disbanding. I went on to software development for STS External Tank impact prediction and various other projects.
74 posted on 01/28/2003 10:13:22 AM PST by Hostage
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To: WaveThatFlag
Please

Don't talk about the Chicago suburbs . . .

!

75 posted on 01/28/2003 10:15:35 AM PST by Mr_Magoo (Single, Available, and Easy)
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To: Indy Pendance
"Take off your engineering hat and put on your management hat."

I'm an engineer. I'm not sure if anyone who isn't an engineer can completely understand how scary that sentence, in that context really is.

76 posted on 01/28/2003 10:18:00 AM PST by ArrogantBustard
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To: aruanan
"I saw it live"

Me too. I was sitting in English Lit at Corona High School and we were watching it live during class. Our teacher started crying, it was horrible.
77 posted on 01/28/2003 10:18:53 AM PST by FeliciaCat
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To: ArrogantBustard
engineer/mba here, and in management. Sadly, these types of decisions happen far more frequently than expected. Sometimes, I just want to get out of it because of bad management decisions. You can't argue with someone who sucked their way up the corporate ladder. It's a futile attempt. And almost every experience I've had, these managers have no clue about engineering, technology, science or chemistry whatsoever.

Making a profit is the goal of companies, and I understand that completely, but at what price do the engineer's recommendations become valid? In this case, the price was seven lives.

78 posted on 01/28/2003 10:26:38 AM PST by Indy Pendance
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To: Indy Pendance
I was working a late 2nd shift schedule back then. When I got up and turned on the TV for the mid day news, every channel showed the same cloud of smoke. It took a few minutes for it to sink in that the smoke was all that was left of 7 people . . .
79 posted on 01/28/2003 10:27:59 AM PST by Mr_Magoo (Single, Available, and Easy)
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To: Indy Pendance
I'm curious to know, what was on that shuttle that the launch couldn't be delayed? They scrub missions all the time.
80 posted on 01/28/2003 10:30:29 AM PST by nina0113
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