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Of Moses and America (Great Read)
boblonsberry.com ^ | 1/30/03 | Bob Lonsberry

Posted on 01/30/2003 8:13:32 AM PST by shortstop

I know the Bible was a long time ago, but sometimes it has a point.

Like this Moses guy.

He was a Hebrew, some kind of Jewish guy, and his people were slaves to the Egyptians. Only he wasn’t a slave, he had some kind of special deal.

Anyway, he’s walking down the street one day, and he sees this Egyptian guy just beating the living hell out of some Hebrew guy. Just ripping him apart.

So Moses looks one way, then he looks the other, and then he goes over there and kills the Egyptian guy.

He kills him.

Just turned him flat off. Then he hid his body in the sand and went on his way.

That’s pretty extreme. But it worked. And that Egyptian didn’t beat any more Hebrews, and the one he was beating got a second chance at life.

But word got out and Moses had to lay low, so he went off to some other place, where he tended sheep. And he was doing that one night and he saw this bush on fire and he went over to see what was going on and God spoke to him out of the bush.

Which means he must have been cool with God.

Which means that if God had been too ticked off about that dead Egyptian he probably would have found someone else to talk to out of the burning bush.

But he didn’t. He picked Moses, the Egyptian killer.

To me, that says that sometimes it’s OK to kill people. Specifically, sometimes it’s OK to kill people if you are doing so to defend other people who can’t defend themselves.

See where I’m going with this?

All the way to Baghdad.

The people we rescue by taking down Saddam Hussein don’t live in the Midwest, they live in the Middle East. The primary beneficiaries of any action we take against Iraq will be Iraqis.

And Kuwaitis and Saudis and Israelis and Iranians and Kurds and, far less directly, Americans.

When Moses attacked the Egyptian, he was engaged in an act of mercy and service. Ditto for any American action against Saddam Hussein. We are not going there motivated by self-interest alone.

Certainly, cutting off the armorer of Al Qaeda will protect American lives, but not as much as it will protect the lives of those who live in Saddam’s neighborhood.

Because this guy is bad.

All these thousands of chemical bombs he had, the ones that make your skin fall off and paralyze you and leave your lungs a pussey open sore, those thousands of bombs he used to have, the ones that aren’t mysteriously unaccounted for, were used against his people and his neighbors.

He dropped chemical bombs on unarmed desert people because they weren’t his race.

That’s pretty bad. That’s a lot like beating a Hebrew, only worse, and magnified tens of thousands of times.

In recent years, experts say, a million and a half Iraqis have starved to death. Not because of drought, not because of sanctions, but because the Saddam Hussein government – which can sell oil to buy food – let them starve. Because it was more interested in funneling the money into more presidential palaces and more weapons systems.

He is a bitter and evil man who kills for fun and tortures to pass the time of day.

And that would be bad enough if it were just a figure of speech, some glib overstatement of the case.

But it is neither. It is fact.

And this guy deserves to be buried in the sand.

I don’t know which way the president will go, I’m not sure what’s what.

But if the president says it’s time, I’m going to believe it’s time. I’m going to believe that clobbering this guy is the right thing to do.

I’m going to believe that American warriors are going to be as justified in this war as they were in World War II while they liberated Korea and France and Japan and Italy and Germany. Tyrants happen, little people get pushed around and dominated. And then a big guy comes along and settles the score.

It’s time to settle the score on Saddam Hussein.

It’s time to take him out. Peacefully, or not so peacefully. We freed ourselves, we freed the slaves, we freed the French and we freed the Bosnians. Now we’re going to free the Iraqis.

And I figure God’s going to be cool with that.

I figure that God wanted Moses to kill that Egyptian that day. I figure that God doesn’t like it when people are tyrannized and oppressed.

And so he raises up a power big enough to fix things. A power like Moses, or a power like America.

So maybe it’s not the United Nations we should be listening to.

Maybe it’s our conscience, and our history and heritage, and our sense of calling. Maybe it’s God.

Moses was put on that street that day for a purpose, prepared and disposed to render aid and deliver those who were bound. He was raised up by God for a reason.

Just like we were.


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It’s time to settle the score on Saddam Hussein. It’s time to take him out. Peacefully, or not so peacefully. We freed ourselves, we freed the slaves, we freed the French and we freed the Bosnians. Now we’re going to free the Iraqis.
1 posted on 01/30/2003 8:13:32 AM PST by shortstop
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To: shortstop
You're right
That IS a good read.
2 posted on 01/30/2003 8:35:44 AM PST by reformed_democrat
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To: shortstop
Hmmmm, Bush as the modern-day Moses (at least on one level)...well, Moses also had a speech impediment....
4 posted on 01/30/2003 9:28:59 AM PST by Ancesthntr
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To: shortstop
And I figure God’s going to be cool with that.

I think He will, too.

5 posted on 01/30/2003 9:34:34 AM PST by P.O.E. (France will waffle and change it's mind on the war within a week, I predict.)
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To: shortstop
Good read.

Whatever happened to "freedom FROM religion" though??? </sarcasm>
6 posted on 01/30/2003 9:44:40 AM PST by smith288
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To: Ancesthntr
Speech impediment? I take it you haven't listened to his speeches, eh? Typical leftist bash - since they can't think of anything else. Loser.
7 posted on 01/30/2003 9:46:53 AM PST by 11B3 (Sedition and Treason are DemonRat character traits.)
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To: shortstop
some kind of Jewish guy

Moses and those with him were Israelites, not Jews.

8 posted on 01/30/2003 9:58:52 AM PST by DensaMensa (The words Israelite and Jew don't mean the same thing.)
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To: DensaMensa; OrthodoxPresbyterian; RnMomof7; Jean Chauvin; gdebrae; A.J.Armitage; gal220
I once corrected a Jewish girl on this very point. She had been joking that Charlton Heston made a lousy Moses because he doesn't look Jewish. I pointed out that Moses was a Levite, not a member of Judah-Benjamin.

Being trained in Judaism, she immediately admitted that I was correct.

(Interestingly, the partitioning of the Old Testament kingdom of Israel into Israel and Judah after the death of Solomon actually moved the identifier "Israel" away from Judah. Israel became [so to speak] the group which would later be the Diaspora!

Alas, I never got a chance to follow up with the Jewish girl about the eschatological implications of this.)

9 posted on 01/30/2003 10:34:58 AM PST by the_doc
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To: the_doc
She had been joking that Charlton Heston made a lousy Moses because he doesn't look Jewish.

I've always wondered what "looking Jewish" looked like. (Maybe like Clinton appointee from Arkansas General Wesley Clark?)

10 posted on 01/30/2003 10:52:53 AM PST by DensaMensa (The words Israelite and Jew don't mean the same thing.)
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To: the_doc
I once corrected a Jewish girl on this very point. She had been joking that Charlton Heston made a lousy Moses because he doesn't look Jewish. I pointed out that Moses was a Levite, not a member of Judah-Benjamin.

All I can say is that Charlton Heston did look very human in a "Planet of the Apes" movie that I inexplicably found myself watching last night - May God have mercy on my soul.

Cordially,

11 posted on 01/30/2003 10:54:33 AM PST by Diamond
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To: shortstop
Which means that if God had been too ticked off about that dead Egyptian he probably would have found someone else to talk to out of the burning bush. But he didn’t. He picked Moses, the Egyptian killer. To me, that says that sometimes it’s OK to kill people. Specifically, sometimes it’s OK to kill people if you are doing so to defend other people who can’t defend themselves.

Uhhh, I'm not trying to point out things to upset others, but God wasn't okay with it. As a matter of fact, He did not allow Moses into the promised land because of that killing. What are we supposed to gather from that?

12 posted on 01/30/2003 10:56:33 AM PST by billbears (Deo Vindice.)
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To: Diamond
Ha! You do confess your heresy! We need a Roman auto-da-fe for you!
13 posted on 01/30/2003 10:58:22 AM PST by the_doc
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To: shortstop
Future read bump...
14 posted on 01/30/2003 10:59:12 AM PST by 69ConvertibleFirebird
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To: DensaMensa
Who knows? A fair number of Jewish folks are descended from proselytes anyway.

Americans may very well equate certain Slavic features with ethnic Judaism. It's all pretty confusing. All I know is that ethnic prejudice is out of bounds. (This is why I took issue with the Jewish girl's joke in the first place. She made it in the context of exalting the Mosaic Law Code just to scoff at Christians. [And heck, I wasn't even a Christian at the time. I was just a plain old Gentile. But I did know some Bibical-historical facts which she had swept aside.)

15 posted on 01/30/2003 11:08:55 AM PST by the_doc
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To: the_doc
auto-da-fe

I had to look this up.

"When the person impeached is condemned, he is either severely whipped, violently tortured, sent to the galleys, or sentenced to death; and in either case the effects are confiscated. After judgment, a procession is performed to the place of execution, which ceremony is called an auto da fe, or act of faith. "

I don't know which is worse, an auto-da-fe , or watching a Planet of the Apes movie.

Cordially,

16 posted on 01/30/2003 11:10:17 AM PST by Diamond
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To: Diamond
It's ordinarily just taken to mean "burning at the stake." But thank you for the etymological elucidation, brother heretic-TV-watcher-Heston-fan.
17 posted on 01/30/2003 11:14:04 AM PST by the_doc
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To: billbears
He did not allow Moses into the promised land because of that killing.

I did not know that was the reason -- can you provide Book, Chapter & Verse that says this? Thanks!

18 posted on 01/30/2003 12:37:53 PM PST by TexasRepublic
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To: billbears
You're wrong. It was because of Moses' disobedience by the waters of Meribah.
19 posted on 01/30/2003 12:57:04 PM PST by sheik yerbouty
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To: billbears
As a matter of fact, He did not allow Moses into the promised land because of that killing.

Not correct. It was for his disobedience in striking the rock when he was commanded to speak to it.

Numbers 20:7-12, 24.

20 posted on 01/30/2003 1:03:59 PM PST by AnAmericanMother (This is the water of Meribah; because the children of Israel strove with the LORD)
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To: AnAmericanMother
Thank you for correcting me. I was mistaken. I knew of what you mentioned but I always assumed it was also for the murder of the Egyptian
21 posted on 01/30/2003 1:10:59 PM PST by billbears (Deo Vindice.)
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To: billbears
No problem.

Only reason I know is that I just finished helping my daughter study for her Old Testament exam which covered the Pentateuch. That was one of the study questions. My brain is currently full of all sorts of useful material like the names of all the Cities of Refuge and all the ceremonial items in the Temple and what Balaam said to Barak, and so on and so on.

The up side is that my daughter is reading the Bible closely for the first time, even learning memory verses . . . which really throws me off because I learned the King James version and her teacher is using RSV. Episcopalians are not big on Bible study although we do have three Scripture readings in the service . . . so this is a good thing.

22 posted on 01/30/2003 1:16:42 PM PST by AnAmericanMother
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To: AnAmericanMother
That's right, American Mom. Those passages also indicate Moses appeared to give himself (and Aaron) the credit for the miracle, when the glory belonged soley to God.

However, the old testament is still full of examples of when God approved, and even commanded, war. The books of Joshua and Judges are such examples.

By the way, when speaking about Sarandon's "What did Iraq ever do to us" commercial, Bill Bennet said "What did the Nazi's ever do to us."?
23 posted on 01/30/2003 1:22:12 PM PST by keats5
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To: shortstop
Bump for a later read.
24 posted on 01/30/2003 1:57:41 PM PST by Tennessee_Bob (Hello, I'm a TAGLINE virus. Please help me spread by copying me into YOUR tag line)
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To: the_doc
Interesting..I think most of us think of the whole of Israel (offspring of Abraham) when we think of Israel..not a seperated people
25 posted on 01/30/2003 2:23:01 PM PST by RnMomof7
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To: TexasRepublic; the_doc
LINK: http://www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/Num/Num020.html#7

God did let Moses see the promised land from a distance, though: http://www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/Deu/Deu032.html#49 and http://www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/Deu/Deu034.html#4

In Deuteronomy chapter 33, he lays out the future of the twelve tribes, and finally, the triumph of the Israel of God, (I Peter 2:6, Ephesians 2:20, Galatians 4:21-31, 6:15-16).

Deu 33:26 [There is] none like unto the God of Jeshurun, [who] rideth upon the heaven in thy help, and in his excellency on the sky.

Deu 33:27 The eternal God [is thy] refuge, and underneath [are] the everlasting arms: and he shall thrust out the enemy from before thee; and shall say, Destroy [them]. http://www.blueletterbible.org/tsk_b/Deu/33/27.html

Deu 33:28 Israel then shall dwell in safety alone: the fountain of Jacob [shall be] upon a land of corn and wine; also his heavens shall drop down dew.

Deu 33:29 Happy [art] thou, O Israel: who [is] like unto thee, O people saved by the LORD, the shield of thy help, and who [is] the sword of thy excellency! and thine enemies shall be found liars unto thee; and thou shalt tread upon their high places. http://www.blueletterbible.org/tsk_b/Deu/33/29.html

However, word to the wise: before Americans undertake anything else in the Middle East, it would behoove them to first understand who "Israel" is: http://preteristarchive.com/TrueHistory/index.html. (It's a covenant of grace, not race.) In Old Testament times, in order to be successful before they went into attack mode, the leaders sought God's will first. Otherwise, like Moses, they often got themselves into trouble.

doc: I agree, ethnic prejudice is out of bounds and is not of God, particulary in the New Covenant. Even in the O.T., God told the Israelites: Deu 23:7 Thou shalt not abhor an Edomite; for he [is] thy brother: thou shalt not abhor an Egyptian; because thou wast a stranger in his land. I often wonder if the "leaders" stepped out of the way and let just the people come to the peace table, if they wouldn't be able to work something out. Heck, Esau even forgave Jacob. I think most people just want to live in peace, whereas the leaders often have other agendas, and keep things stirred up in order to promote them.

26 posted on 01/30/2003 4:26:42 PM PST by Ethan_Allen
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To: the_doc
A fair number of Jewish folks are descended from proselytes anyway.

I think most of them are descended from both converts and the original Hebrews. David was.

27 posted on 01/30/2003 4:47:16 PM PST by A.J.Armitage
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To: A.J.Armitage
David was.

Funny, I thought David was an Israelite. Everyone else in his kingdom was.

28 posted on 01/30/2003 6:59:53 PM PST by DensaMensa (The words Israelite and Jew do not mean the same thing.)
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To: DensaMensa; OrthodoxPresbyterian; Sabertooth
Here we go again. Looks like another LostTribe.

What's the over/under, 'Tooth?

T-minus 44 days until the girth of Tha SYNDICATE, the philosophical heir to William Lloyd Garrison.
101 things that the Mozilla browser can do that Internet Explorer cannot.

29 posted on 01/30/2003 7:07:46 PM PST by rdb3 (Ain't no future in your frontin'. Never wuz, cuz.)
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To: shortstop
And this guy deserves to be buried in the sand.

He does indeed, but I'd prefer to see him hanging upside down from a lamp post, with a brand new "smile". Failing that, he'll probably end up a crispy critter in one of his bunkers after the bunker busters arrive.

30 posted on 01/30/2003 8:33:51 PM PST by El Gato
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To: RnMomof7; OrthodoxPresbyterian; Matchett-PI; Jerry_M; Jean Chauvin; gdebrae; A.J.Armitage; ...
The truth is, Israel was Jacob, and national Israel was all of his offspring.

But after the death of Solomon, national Israel was partitioned. Judah and Benjamin became formally known as "the Kingdom of Judah." The rest, i.e., the Ten Tribes, aka the Northern Kingdom, claimed the name "Kingdom of Israel" for themselves.

(Example: Ahab was King of Israel but not King of Judah.)

The upshot of this is that after the death of David's son--the King of all Israel--the Jews wound up separated from Israel.

Think of the prophetic/eschatological implications of this! It's especially interesting when we remember that the Ten Tribes, i.e, Israel, wound up in the Gentile nations!

(John realized this was significant when he heard the words of the High Priest about the looming death of Jesus Christ! John realized that the whole situation of the Diaspora was actually a weird typological picture in which the odd circumstances of [and changes involving] the elect nation of Israel were depicting a soteriological election involving a spiritual Israel of Gentiles!

In other words, the significance of Israel actually changed with the dispensational shift which occurred after the Cross-work of Christ. The Church became the spiritual entity in which the promises to national Israel were fulfilled. This agrees with what Paul says about the "seeds of Abraham" in Galatians! [It also fits Paul's statement that the Christians are actually the True Jews--i.e., the true heirs of all that Judaism itself signified!])

31 posted on 01/30/2003 10:18:08 PM PST by the_doc
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To: DensaMensa
You insist that only Judah and Benjamin (and, I would assume, the Levites from the Southern Kingdom) should be called Jews. Well, David was from Judah. Now you're changing your mind?
32 posted on 01/30/2003 10:21:02 PM PST by A.J.Armitage
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To: Ethan_Allen; TexasRepublic
See also my #31 for an odd little feature of OT history.
33 posted on 01/30/2003 10:22:22 PM PST by the_doc
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To: A.J.Armitage; Matchett-PI
Many probably were converts involving marriage arrangements. However, there are some historians who claim that a huge number of today's Jews are Slavic folks with no clear racial ties at all to Abraham.

(It doesn't really matter, since proselytism is not in and of itself illegitimate--and I am not sure how reliable the claims by the aforementioned historians are anyway. But they present an interesting scenario which I have not been able to debunk.)

34 posted on 01/30/2003 10:29:19 PM PST by the_doc
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To: A.J.Armitage
You insist that only Judah and Benjamin (and, I would assume, the Levites from the Southern
Kingdom) should be called Jews.

No, I don't believe I said that.  But the fact is only members of the Southern Kingdom (which was later called Judea) were ever called Jews (named after Judea), and that was many centuries later when they returned from Babylon.  David was long since dead since he ruled all the Israelites only before they split.

35 posted on 01/30/2003 10:34:31 PM PST by DensaMensa (He who controls the definitions controls history.)
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To: the_doc
However, there are some historians who claim that a huge number of today's Jews are Slavic folks with no clear racial ties at all to Abraham.

You're probably thinking of The 13th Tribe by Arthur Koestler. He said that the Ashkenazi, who are the Jews who came from European countries except Spain, are descendants of the Khazars, who converted en masse in the Middle Ages. Apparently, the king of the Khazars had a priest, a rabbi, and an imam, and asked them which of the other two religions were better. The priest and the imam both said Judaism, so that's what he had the Khazars convert to.

The thing is, they weren't actually Slavic, but Turkic, and it was only really the upper class that converted. I don't doubt most Ashkenazi are part-Khazar. But it's a small part. Ashkenazi Cohens match Sephardic Cohens, and they look Slavic, not Turkish.

I don't think there's any reason the variety of Jews needs a mass conversion or a serious break in continuity to explain it. A small proportion of converts per generation can eventually have a huge impact.

36 posted on 01/30/2003 10:57:25 PM PST by A.J.Armitage
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To: the_doc; RnMomof7; OrthodoxPresbyterian; Jerry_M; Jean Chauvin; gdebrae; A.J.Armitage; ...
You wrote: "The Church became the spiritual entity in which the promises to national Israel were fulfilled. This agrees with what Paul says about the "seeds of Abraham" in Galatians! [It also fits Paul's statement that the Christians are actually the True Jews--i.e., the true heirs of all that Judaism itself signified!])"

Here's an interesting quote in light of what you wrote:

"... Background to what Jesus said [John 15: 1-8]: It's not nice imagery. It's not that Jesus said, "how can I say this in a way they will understand." Jesus was saying something very very profound, and especially for the Hebrew mind.

When Jesus said "I am the vine", those who listened thought of the older Testament of these words (and I could cite many more):

Psa 80:8 Thou hast brought a vine out of Egypt: thou hast cast out the heathen, and planted it.

Psa 80:9 Thou preparedst [room] before it, and didst cause it to take deep root, and it filled the land.

Psa 80:10 The hills were covered with the shadow of it, and the boughs thereof [were like] the goodly cedars.

Psa 80:11 She sent out her boughs unto the sea, and her branches unto the river.

Isa 5:1 Now will I sing to my wellbeloved a song of my beloved touching his vineyard. My wellbeloved hath a vineyard in a very fruitful hill:

Isa 5:2 And he fenced it, and gathered out the stones thereof, and planted it with the choicest vine, and built a tower in the midst of it, and also made a winepress therein: and he looked that it should bring forth grapes, and it brought forth wild grapes.

Isa 5:7 For the vineyard of the LORD of hosts [is] the house of Israel, and the men of Judah his pleasant plant: and he looked for judgment, but behold oppression; for righteousness, but behold a cry.

Jer 2:2 Go and cry in the ears of Jerusalem, saying, Thus saith the LORD; I remember thee, the kindness of thy youth, the love of thine espousals, when thou wentest after me in the wilderness, in a land [that was] not sown.

Jer 2:21 Yet I had planted thee a noble vine, wholly a right seed: how then art thou turned into the degenerate plant of a strange vine unto me?

Eze 19:10 Thy mother [is] like a vine in thy blood, planted by the waters: she was fruitful and full of branches by reason of many waters.

Eze 19:11 And she had strong rods for the sceptres of them that bare rule, and her stature was exalted among the thick branches, and she appeared in her height with the multitude of her branches.

Eze 19:12 But she was plucked up in fury, she was cast down to the ground, and the east wind dried up her fruit: her strong rods were broken and withered; the fire consumed them.

Eze 19:13 And now she [is] planted in the wilderness, in a dry and thirsty ground.

Eze 19:14 And fire is gone out of a rod of her branches, [which] hath devoured her fruit, so that she hath no strong rod [to be] a sceptre to rule. This [is] a lamentation, and shall be for a lamentation.

Hosa 10:1a Israel [is] an empty vine, he bringeth forth fruit unto himself ..

When Jesus said, "I am the true vine", his Jewish hearers thought of the verses that I just read to you. During the Maccabean period, the coinage of God's people had a vine on it as a symbol of Isreal. If I am to tell you, "I am the Eagle", what would you think? If you're an American you would think that's arrogant, and that's presumptuous.

When Jesus said, "I am the vine", and listen very carefully, he was saying, "I am the essence of Isreal."

He was saying, "I am the prototype of which Isreal is the type."

He was saying, "I am the personification of everything God's people were ever meant to be."

He was saying, "I am the reality of all that God has ever proposed to do in the entire history of the human race." ~

Dr. Steve Brown http://www.keylife.org
37 posted on 01/31/2003 6:03:12 AM PST by Matchett-PI (Clinton is incorrectly portrayed as "a man".)
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To: AnAmericanMother
Not correct. It was for his disobedience in striking the rock when he was commanded to speak to it.

Correct.There is a lesson there for us..for the first time he was told to strike it (Exodus 17:6)..the second time to speak to it( numbers20)..But he was not obedient to the second command...Perhaps a sign of a change of a salvation of works to one of Grace..??

     Jhn 4:10   Jesus answered and said unto her, If thou knewest the gift of God, and who it is that saith to thee, Give me to drink; thou wouldest have asked of him, and he would have given thee living water.

38 posted on 01/31/2003 7:02:35 AM PST by RnMomof7
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To: DensaMensa
Funny, I thought David was an Israelite. Everyone else in his kingdom was.

He had Ruth in his line...

39 posted on 01/31/2003 7:14:10 AM PST by RnMomof7
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To: RnMomof7
He had Ruth in his line...

You are correct. I was making the distinction between Israelites and Jews but should not have used the word "everyone".

40 posted on 01/31/2003 7:54:42 AM PST by DensaMensa (He who controls the definitions controls history.)
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To: A.J.Armitage
A small proportion of converts per generation can eventually have a huge impact.

Thanks, you're right.

41 posted on 01/31/2003 8:23:19 AM PST by the_doc
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To: Matchett-PI; OrthodoxPresbyterian; RnMomof7; gal220; nobdysfool; Jerry_M; A.J.Armitage; CCWoody
...your point being that Israel is now revealed to be a spiritual body which includes the Church itself.

(That's a good way to state the amillennial position, I think. Membership in Israel is a matter of election.)

42 posted on 01/31/2003 8:32:48 AM PST by the_doc
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To: shortstop
This was a very cool read!!!!BUMP BUMP!!!!
43 posted on 01/31/2003 8:50:15 AM PST by Delbert
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To: sheik yerbouty
You're wrong. It was because of Moses' disobedience by the waters of Meribah. <--Thanks Shiek..I knew that was incorrect.


44 posted on 01/31/2003 9:08:25 AM PST by Delbert
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To: AnAmericanMother
Egads! A lab lover & a saint. I am formerly Episcopalian so I break ranks with ya' there.
45 posted on 01/31/2003 12:19:22 PM PST by CCWoody
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To: keats5; AnAmericanMother; billbears; the_doc; Diamond; RnMomof7; Jerry_M
Oh, before I forget and since I haven't seen it posted yet, there is something interesting about Moses "striking" the rock which caused the water to flow.

Does anybody know why this is EXTREMELY significant? (Diamond and the_doc and Jerry, no telling... let the others chew on it first)

I'll give a hint, the answer is in one of the Corinthian letters.
46 posted on 01/31/2003 12:22:53 PM PST by CCWoody
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To: Ethan_Allen; A.J.Armitage; rdb3; Matchett-PI
Bump to my #46
47 posted on 01/31/2003 12:27:09 PM PST by CCWoody
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To: CCWoody
Are you talking about this??

1Cr 10:4And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ.

??? that I assume is a given

48 posted on 01/31/2003 1:09:57 PM PST by RnMomof7
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To: RnMomof7
that Rock was Christ. Woody.
49 posted on 01/31/2003 1:14:57 PM PST by CCWoody
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To: 11B3
Speech impediment? I take it you haven't listened to his speeches, eh? Typical leftist bash - since they can't think of anything else. Loser.

1. Try to avoid personal attacks, out of respect for everyone else on this board and, especially, Jim Robinson.

2. I was being facetious. Humor, get it? Oh, and by the way, I proudly voted for GWB and look forward to doing so again in 2004 - I'm no leftist.

3. Bush does have a bit of a speech impediment. He does mispronounce many words and phrases. It is not a physical thing, but a mental thing (IMHO he is either nervous or thinking ahead of where his speech is at the moment - neither implies any mental deficiency). However, I don't care - as with Moses, it isn't the beauty of the sound that comes out of the mouth that matters, it is the substance of the thing and, even more importantly, the character of the person saying it. The prior occupant of the White House could make flawless speeches (from the standpoint of pronunciation only), but I didn't like what I heard.

4) I don't pretend that I could make a speech in front of hundreds or thousands of people, let alone millions, without botching it completely. I admire anyone that has developed this skill, the few mistakes they make notwithstanding. Poking a little fun at them for those mistakes doesn't say a thing about one's political viewpoint.

Before you jump the gun and accuse other people of assorted bad things or character traits, please ASK for clarification. And you didn't even have to ask - if you had bothered to check my prior posts on a variety of subjects, you'd have clearly seen that I'm no DU troll.

50 posted on 02/03/2003 9:10:57 AM PST by Ancesthntr
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