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Bush approves nuclear response
Washington Times ^ | 1/31/03 | Nicholas Kralev

Posted on 01/30/2003 10:45:58 PM PST by kattracks

Edited on 07/12/2004 4:00:37 PM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

A classified document signed by President Bush specifically allows for the use of nuclear weapons in response to biological or chemical attacks, apparently changing a decades-old U.S. policy of deliberate ambiguity, it was learned by The Washington Times.

"The United States will continue to make clear that it reserves the right to respond with overwhelming force including potentially nuclear weapons to the use of [weapons of mass destruction] against the United States, our forces abroad, and friends and allies," the document, National Security Presidential Directive 17, set out on Sept. 14 last year.


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To: kattracks
A classified document signed by President Bush specifically allows for the use of nuclear weapons in response to biological or chemical attacks, apparently changing a decades-old U.S. policy of deliberate ambiguity, it was learned by The Washington Times.

Umm...if its classified then...Why the H#LL are we being told? I for one do not have clearance for classified material...Who are these people that give up this info and why are they not dealt with accordingly?

And now...some morning humour...


81 posted on 01/31/2003 7:52:01 AM PST by MD_Willington_1976
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To: The Great Satan
Well boys, I reckon this is it. Nuclear-biological combat, toe-to-toe with the Iraqis

Only we have bigger toes, much bigger toes.

The cool thing is that temperatures exceeding those on the surface of the sun do a wonderful job killing germs and even disassociating chemical nasties. So if Saddamn uses germs or chemicals we nuke every place we even suspect he might be storing or making more of them. That includes use by proxies such as Al Qaida, Hamas,Hezbollah, Islamic Jihad, etc, etc.

82 posted on 01/31/2003 9:52:38 AM PST by El Gato
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To: El Gato
Only we have bigger toes, much bigger toes.

Only one problem with that. Saddam Hussein can only die once.

83 posted on 01/31/2003 9:54:00 AM PST by The Great Satan (Revenge, Terror and Extortion: A Guide for the Perplexed)
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To: Grampa Dave
Ernest, would you say this make the n in pre-empNt, a capital n even if pre empt is not spelled that way?:)

DefiNitily!!

Wonder if they faxed a copy to Saddam?

84 posted on 01/31/2003 9:56:41 AM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach (Nuke Saddam!! (Bush seems to be thinking about it ))
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To: elfman2
Preemptive use of nukes is too big a policy change to be undertaken like this. This story is either the LA Times playing games or the Pentagon doing the same with Saddam’s people.

It's not pre-emptive if they hit you first. This is also not really a policy change. Using nukes in response to use of other WMDs had been the policy at least since we gave up use of our own "other" WMDs. This is at most a clarification that the policy is indeed still in effect.

85 posted on 01/31/2003 10:01:31 AM PST by El Gato
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To: sonofatpatcher2
Yes, thanks for your service.

Can you explain your Armadillo comment?

I am not a Texan!
86 posted on 01/31/2003 10:02:24 AM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach (Nuke Saddam!! (Bush seems to be thinking about it ))
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To: The Great Satan
"Cowboy President", cowboy hats... Hmmm. MORE than a coincidence? :-)


87 posted on 01/31/2003 10:16:27 AM PST by Charles Martel ("Oh, George... not the livestock!")
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To: Semper Paratus; Grampa Dave; BOBTHENAILER; snopercod
I think this is referring to the small load bunker busting nukes were tested lately in Nevada.

New digging in IRAQ will be a tipoff that Saddam got the message on display in the Washington Times!!!

88 posted on 01/31/2003 10:17:36 AM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach (Nuke Saddam!! (Bush seems to be thinking about it ))
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To: b4its2late
Looks like it might be "extra warm" this year in Iraq.....

Yep. There'll be hot time, in the old town, tonight! The old town of Baghdad, that is. :)

89 posted on 01/31/2003 10:23:12 AM PST by El Gato
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
There are quite a few messages for Uncle Soddomite and his mass murdering thugs in Iraq.

Uncle Soddomite might want to commit suicide, but I doubt that all of his followers want to be made into atoms if he use WMDs against us.

So it is up to them to blow Soddomite's brains out and to bring peace to Iraq! A single bullet to the head or grenade in his pocket will end this before it begins.
90 posted on 01/31/2003 10:24:40 AM PST by Grampa Dave (Stamp out Freepathons! Stop being a Freep Loader! Become a monthly donor!)
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To: Charles Martel
"Survival kit contents check. In them you'll find: one .45 caliber automatic; two boxes of ammunition; four days concentrated emergency rations; one drug issue containing: antibiotics, morphine, vitamin pills, pep pills, sleeping pills, tranquilizer pills; one miniature combination Russian phrase book and bible; one hundred dollars in rubles; one hundred dollars in gold; nine packs of chewing gum; one issue of prophylactics; three lipsticks; three pair a nylon stockings. Shoot, a fellah could have a pretty good weekend in Vegas with all that stuff."
91 posted on 01/31/2003 10:27:40 AM PST by The Great Satan (Revenge, Terror and Extortion: A Guide for the Perplexed)
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To: The Great Satan
Saddam Hussein can only die once.

But he all those doubles, so you have to get all of them to be sure you got him. Nobody said the work was risk free when they took the job.

92 posted on 01/31/2003 10:27:56 AM PST by El Gato
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To: Orion78; Sawdring
Excellent set of Links!
93 posted on 01/31/2003 10:28:14 AM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach (Nuke Saddam!! (Bush seems to be thinking about it ))
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
New digging in IRAQ will be a targeting opportunity!!!!
94 posted on 01/31/2003 10:28:56 AM PST by BOBTHENAILER (Vaporize Saddam's Smoking Gun)
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To: kattracks
The cowboy rides again!...
95 posted on 01/31/2003 10:29:50 AM PST by My2Cents ("...The bombing begins in 5 minutes.")
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To: Grampa Dave; *Bush Doctrine Unfold; randita; SierraWasp; Carry_Okie; okie01; socal_parrot; ...
So it is up to them to blow Soddomite's brains out and to bring peace to Iraq! A single bullet to the head or grenade in his pocket will end this before it begins.

Right, so we just need to keep upping the pressure on Saddam and his clowns!

I just bookmarked this thread, guess I should put it on a list also!

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96 posted on 01/31/2003 10:32:09 AM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach (Nuke Saddam!! (Bush seems to be thinking about it ))
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To: El Gato
”This is also not really a policy change. Using nukes in response to use of other WMDs had been the policy at least since ”

That’s right. But not what the LA times claimed last week and the WT is repeating.

97 posted on 01/31/2003 10:55:28 AM PST by elfman2
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To: ffusco
The Japanese philosophy of bushido is what made the use of fission weapons necessary against the Imperial Empire in 1945. Bushido was an ingrained, implict part of the vast majority of the Japanese military that explains, for example, their decimation at Iwo Jima and the kamikazi phenomenon. Contrary to what some may believe, there is no comparable spirit among the muslims - despite the "kamikazi" nature of 9/11/01. Some may fret over the "rage" that is feared to erupt in the "Arab street" as a reason not to liberate Iraq and clean up the rest of the Muslim mid-east, mistakenly comparing that to a similar doctrine. I completely disagree - the muslim fanatics are basically cowards who are comfortable only when attacking unarmed civilians - preferably women and children. The bushido-driven Japanese for the most part (Nanking notwithstanding, of course) had no fear of human wave attacks against American automatic and heavy weaponry. I submit that the appearance of a US mushroom cloud over Baghdad - while regrettable because it would signify a CBW attack on the US - would go a long way to calming down the rest of the Middle East and other muslim "countries". Just my TCW.
98 posted on 01/31/2003 11:14:16 AM PST by astounded
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
Re: Can you explain your Armadillo comment?

Hi Ernest,
Armadillos are rather frisky critters. Long, Long ago, on a night cold and clear, some of my friends and I went out with some lovely ladies to capture an armadillo for the Annual Derrick Days Festival's 'Dillo Races.
Carey, Roy Dean and Tommy went forth with lantern and net to find one. I stayed behind to protect the fairer sex from things that go bump in the night.
After a few moments, shouts announced they had one on the run. We saw the low glow of the lantern zipping through the distant woods when it suddenly disappeared!
Shortly afterwards our three brethern came back to the truck.
"How it go?" I asked.
Tommy replied, "Pretty good 'til Roy Dean found the creek."
Now, I ask you, had Roy Dean had a MP-40, Uzi or SAW, would another armadillo have escaped?

P.S. After that night, I had some 4 dozen T-shirts printed up with my Tag Line. They sold like hot cakes and I only have one left. It has been suggested by Roy Dean that I saved it to wear in the casket so I would be recognized at the funeral.

99 posted on 01/31/2003 1:43:59 PM PST by sonofatpatcher2 (If God Hadn't Wanted Fully Automatic Weapons, He Wouldn't Have Made All Those Armadillos!)
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To: sneakypete; joanie-f; snopercod; TPartyType; tangofox; brityank
I would not hesitate to use nuclear weapons against any country which used any of N.B. or C. against us.

I would not hesitate to use nuclear weapons against an isolated regime, that is, on foreign soil but regional and distinct from the rest of that country's populace --- if I could corner the bad guys and "safely" use nuclear weapons against them, their having "zapped us" already, I'd nuke 'em; excluding such a situation that arose where said "region" was a part of or too near an ally of ours.

If the North Koreans launch an N.B.C. attack against Japan, I would ask Japan if they wished for us to aid in their retaliation, by use of nuclear weapons.

In all this, I would not use the "big" weapons; just the little ones; yet I would want to get a lot of damage, and efficiently, quickly.

Because we don't have time to mess around; and because, the enemy requires serious thumpin' so that the hurt up-side the head remains forever in their brain heavily drugged on fascism, be it fascist Islam and/or fascist nationalizing socialism.

However, I would not now attack Iraq for the reasons stated, alone; I would attack because that power has repeatedly proven to fit their self-constructed profile of being a threat to neighbors.

They are a threat to Saudi Arabia, and to Jordan, and to Israel, and to Syria and/or Iran, wherein they would happily ignite a W.M.D. and claim for propaganda reasons, that it was Israel of the Americans who did it.

In other words, time is really running out; and fast.

While in the States, Americans think we are the target, overlooked is how the fascist-socialist-Islamic-nutcases will kill their own en masse, to "gain" political advantage.

Since the temperature has been going up so rapidly of late, we now have to attack and entirely --- no little surgical strike will stop Saddam.

He'll blow up Damascus or some "friend" of his, just to establish evermore enmity among the Islamic "hood."

No thanks.

100 posted on 01/31/2003 1:47:34 PM PST by First_Salute
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