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NASA Grounds Shuttle Fleet While Probing Columbia Disaster
voanews.com ^ | 02 Feb 2003, 01:22 UTC | David McAlary

Posted on 02/01/2003 8:02:03 PM PST by Destro

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It is time to put the shuttle program to rest. It has been a noble but flawed program for NASA in particular and space exploration-exploitation for America and for mankind in general.

The concept of the Shuttle--a reusable orbiting payload vehicle sounds like a good idea but it has never worked out with with our current technological and budget limits.

Simply put NASA has placed all its eggs in the Space Shuttle program and because of that our rocket technology and space exploration program has suffered. The Russians are still a generation ahead of us on rockets because they still produce them and rely on them.

Disposable rockets are 10 times cheaper and 100 times more structurally sound than a reusable space shuttle.

In addition the cargo bay of the space shuttle limits the payload capacity of the shuttle while on disposable rockets the payload is theoretically unlimited.

PS: A story I heard about the approach of the Russian and NASA space programs is very illuminating. The story goes like this, when a Russian space agency official was told by a proud NASA official about the expense and effort of its engineers that goes into desgining even the so called astronaut or space pen that allows it to be used in zero gravity the Russian replied "we use pencils."

It is time to start using disposable-reliable space vehicles and open up space to private industry.

For starters I would ask congress to authorize a bounty that it would reimburse any private organization that would send a manned mission to Mars and return its crew to Earth safely that would cover all expenses plus 15%.

Competition to Mars would capture and ignite the world's imagination.

1 posted on 02/01/2003 8:02:03 PM PST by Destro
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I welcome all comments-thoughts.
2 posted on 02/01/2003 8:02:32 PM PST by Destro
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It is time to start using disposable-reliable space vehicles and open up space to private industry.

Open space to private industry yes .... yes disposables, absolutely NOT.

We should have an SSTO spaceplane to replace the shuttle. And nuclear rockets for ultra heavy payloads to go into orbit.

4 posted on 02/01/2003 8:07:02 PM PST by Centurion2000 (The question is not whether you're paranoid, but whether you're paranoid enough.)
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To: Destro
I really think we all want to know what caused this but grounding the entire fleet is uncalled for. It isn't like they are going to find an inherent problem with all the shuttles that only shows up after 107 shuttle missions.
5 posted on 02/01/2003 8:08:39 PM PST by AdA$tra
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7 posted on 02/01/2003 8:10:01 PM PST by Momaw Nadon
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To: Destro
This is from a NASA release last summer:

"Recent inspections of Space Shuttle Atlantis and Space Shuttle Discovery found cracks, measuring one-tenth to three-tenths of an inch, in one flow liner on each of those vehicles. Some of the cracks were not identifiable using standard visual inspections and were only discovered using more intensive inspection techniques. "These cracks may pose a safety concern and we have teams at work investigating all aspects of the situation," said Space Shuttle Program Manager Ron Dittemore. "This is a very complex issue and it is early in the analysis. Right now there are more questions than answers. Our immediate interests are to inspect the hardware to identify cracks that exist, understand what has caused them and quantify the risk. I am confident the team will fully resolve this issue, but it may take some time. Until we have a better understanding, we will not move forward with the launch of STS-107." The impact of the investigation on other upcoming space shuttle launches has not been determined." - - June 24, 2002

8 posted on 02/01/2003 8:10:45 PM PST by Lancey Howard
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To: Centurion2000; Privatize NASA
Listen-wishing for SSTO spaceplane to work is not the same as having it work. Nor do I care to pay for its development with a generation of testing. Disposable rockets are economical-and SAFER and WORK!!!
9 posted on 02/01/2003 8:12:50 PM PST by Destro
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Pretty pictures do not a space program make. Wishing for SSTO spaceplane to work is not the same as having it work. Nor do I care to pay for its development with a generation of testing. Disposable rockets are economical-and SAFER and WORK!!!

10 posted on 02/01/2003 8:14:56 PM PST by Destro
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Its a cute story.
11 posted on 02/01/2003 8:15:50 PM PST by Destro
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It is time to start using disposable-reliable space vehicles

Here's what I would do, and I have said this repeatedly, even just yesterday: Launch cargo on BDBs [Big, Dumb Boosters.] Launch crew on separate man-rated vehicles, which means the crew can escape under any circumstances, and for crew re-entry, use something much smaller and easier to make robust. Forget the wings.

Get to work on this right now and assume the Space Shuttle is headed for mothballs as of today. If any more building is to happen on the ISS, use BDBs to launch the hardware.

It's time to rethink NASA's mission. Moonbase and Marsbase should be the goal. NOW.

13 posted on 02/01/2003 8:17:10 PM PST by RightWhale
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To: Destro
Good post. We have to give credit where credit is due -- the U.S. is far ahead of the Russians in terms of technology, but when it comes to doing "ordinary" tasks in space the Russians have been doing it for so long that they're much better at it than we are. This is precisely why the ISS is a joint U.S.-Russian effort -- The U.S. does what it does best, and the Russians do what they do best.

The real advantage of unmanned flight is that you don't have to factor human safety into major decisions.

14 posted on 02/01/2003 8:19:03 PM PST by Alberta's Child
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The concept of the Shuttle--a reusable orbiting payload vehicle sounds like a good idea but it has never worked out with with our current technological and budget limits.

That is silly. Things break, shiite happens. Airliners have catastrophic failures, nobody (except the French) panics and gives up. One hundred years from now, with technology we can't imagine, people are going to die traveling to and from space.

Sure, the shuttle is a failure in many ways, but if you think space can be made affordable by throwing away millions of dollars worth of hardware with each flight, forget it.

Right now, you really can't draw conclusions and take them seriously.

15 posted on 02/01/2003 8:19:09 PM PST by hopespringseternal
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In other words do what NASA was doing before the Space Shuttle program and what the Russians are still doing and what the Chinese plan to do.
16 posted on 02/01/2003 8:19:46 PM PST by Destro
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For starters I would ask congress to authorize a bounty that it would reimburse any private organization that would send a manned mission to Mars and return its crew to Earth safely that would cover all expenses plus 15%.

I cannot imagine any private company that would attempt this for a mere 15% return on investment.

17 posted on 02/01/2003 8:21:09 PM PST by CharacterCounts
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To: Privatize NASA
Did you know that a Russian Soyuz mission carrying humans into space costs approximately $20 million, and has a BETTER SAFETY RECORD than NASA's monopolistic $600 million-per-flight U.S. Space Shuttle?

The shuttle is a much more capable and complicated system, plus the Russians pay their engineers in magic beans.

While what you say about the safety record is true, the sample size is too small to draw any statistical conclusions.

18 posted on 02/01/2003 8:22:18 PM PST by hopespringseternal
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To: hopespringseternal; Privatize NASA
No what you said is jingoistic and silly, opespringseternal and shows me you know little of the facts.

In fact the French-using big dumb boosters undersell NASA in putting up satellites as do the Chinese.

I know the Space Shuttle looks good on a poster but it is not a good program.

19 posted on 02/01/2003 8:23:41 PM PST by Destro
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It's possible efforts may be sped up on the development of the Orbital Space Plane. Reusability is key to reliability, the shuttle isn't that good of a design. We may see a general consensus in the coming days that the shuttle is a flawed overly-complex design. It's possible that the program could be terminated.
20 posted on 02/01/2003 8:24:31 PM PST by Brett66
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