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Lessons of Russia's Depopulation Disaster
NewsMax.com ^ | Thursday, Feb. 6, 2003 | Carl Limbacher and NewsMax.com Staff

Posted on 02/06/2003 7:44:17 PM PST by friendly

If Russia's sharply declining birth rate is any indication, depopulation, and not an overabundance of humans straining Earth's resources, is the real threat humanity faces.

Russia, writes Dr. Herbert London, president of Hudson Institute and the John M. Olin Professor of Humanities at New York University, is providing a lesson for the world of the dangers of depopulation.

And the problem of depopulation isn't merely Russia's - the whole Western world is facing a crisis of declining populations. Canada's National Post columnist Mark Steyn recently wrote that Italy's population decline matches Russia's.

"Because the state needs a birth rate of 2.1 children to maintain a stable population," Steyn revealed. "In Italy, it's now 1.2. Twenty years ago, a million babies were born there each year. Now it's half a million. And the fewer babies you have today, the fewer babies are around to have babies in 20 years.

"Once you're as far down the death spiral as Italy is, it's hard to reverse. Most European races are going to be out of business in a couple more generations."

Noting the Wall Street Journal's prediction Jan. 24 that "The world's population could decline by nearly 500 million people by 2075," London wrote in the Hudson Institute’s American Outlook, "As notable as this statistic is, it pales in comparison to the demographic condition in Russia at the moment.

"The most recent predictions indicate a decline in the Russian population of twenty million people in the next decade due to an excessively low birthrate of 1.2 children per family (well below replacement level) and a rise in the death rate because of widespread alcoholism and the spread of disease.

"According to one Professor Antonov, 'Two thirds of Russian territory is settled now as sparsely as it was in the Neolithic Age: less than one person per square kilometer. In other words, east of the Urals, a demographic wasteland is superimposed on the geographic wasteland.'"

London blames "a dramatic decline in the desire for reproduction among the younger generation," explaining that "the prevalence of one-child families, the decline in the number of recorded marriages, the increase in cohabitation, and the rise in divorce are all symptoms of this condition."

London ascribes much of the problem to "the virtual breakdown of the traditional family." Another source, he warns, is an emerging belief "virtually unchallenged in social science that divorce and 'only-children families' are actually desirable conditions that must be protected. An undeclared war is being conducted against those who identify a crisis in the family and a resulting demographic implosion."

As a result of all of this, "if nothing dramatic occurs in Russia, to encourage larger families, the retreat from childbearing will continue and accelerate. Two children in a family will certainly no longer be the norm and, as a consequence, Russia could become a nation of only one hundred million in thirty years (it is about 149 million today)."

This sharp decline, London predicts, "could decide Russia's geopolitical fate. A decline of fifty million people could undermine the territorial integrity of that vast nation." The decline could also "undermine any effort to create industrial market capitalism, which depends on mass production and mass markets."

Accompanying the collapse of the family, London said, is a social atmosphere that produces "a revision in cultural perspectives has led to an unprecedented level of prestige bestowed on homosexual behavior as well as evidence of an increased rate of suicide."

Such conditions, he warned "not only threaten the familial foundation of civilization, but human self-preservation itself."

Russia, along with much of the West, "is in the midst of an historic revolution that is weakening the family, devaluing the role of children, and threatening depopulation ... It is no exaggeration to contend that Russia's future, and perhaps the fate of other nations, depends on the restoration of family- and child- centered lives. A relentless drive for consumer gratification and self-fulfillment have taken us down a path that threatens societal well being," he wrote.

Steyn's outlook is even gloomier, and he blames abortion as on of the prime causes of depopulation. "A society whose political class elevates 'a woman's right to choose' above 'go forth and multiply' is a society with a death wish," he wrote. And "today we're the endangered species, not the spotted owl. We're the dwindling resource, not the oil."

Steyn recommends: "Next time you're in a rundown diner and the 17-year-old waitress is eight months pregnant, don't tut "What a tragedy" and point her to the nearest Planned Parenthood clinic. Leave her a large tip instead. She's doing the right thing, not just for her, but for all of us."


TOPICS: Activism/Chapters; Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; Russia
KEYWORDS: abortion; depopulation; fertility; russia
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To: null and void
Actually, I think in a pandemic he'd be taking his chances with the rest of us...

Actually, Ebola would be a lousy candidate for causing a pandemic, because it can only be spread by direct contact with an infected person who is blowing out bodily fluids. In a way, Ebola is limited because of just how horrible it is.

101 posted on 02/07/2003 1:40:59 PM PST by dirtboy
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To: null and void
Well, my wife is Roman Catholic so we are in ongoing "negotiations" as to how many children we plan to have. The problem is, as other posters have pointed out, do we want to have children that will have to go to public schools, that we may not be able to afford to send to college, and that we will essentially either lose our house over or will force us into home confinement. Right now after our mortgage (for a modest 3 bedroom home on a very small lot), utilities, car payment (for the Honda that replaced our 12 year old chevy), student loan payment for the wife, insurance payment, and groceries, we have approximately $300 of discretionary income. I could go into a long diatribe about why housing is so expensive here in Oregon but I'll save you the experience. Essentially if we have a child, we lose our discretionary income, if we don't have a child we continue to scrape on by. The kicker is that our total gross income is over $50,000 which means the government thinks we are rich and should be heavily taxed. It's a no win situation for us. If we had never married and Shawn (my wife) had had a child out of wedlock she could get foodstamps, WIC, welfare, subsidised housing, etc. ad nauseum. If I had elected to stick around with the mother of my child I would have paid less in taxes. Is that logical? We would love to have children especially if we could afford to send them to private Catholic school and then college. Unfortunately that is unlikely to ever happen.
102 posted on 02/07/2003 1:41:58 PM PST by Tailback
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To: dirtboy
I didn't say ebola. There are plenty of natural and unnatural diseases that are good pandemic candidates in a jet age small world.
103 posted on 02/07/2003 1:46:43 PM PST by null and void (Add deliberate spreading to the mix...)
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To: Tailback
The kicker is that our total gross income is over $50,000 which means the government thinks we are rich and should be heavily taxed.

Welcome to no-mans land - higher marginal rates have kicked in, but you're still paying FICA. However, you should do your taxes twice this year - once for just the both of you, and once as if you have a child, and see how much the child credit and the extra exemption/deduction lowers your taxes, and then decide the total hit to your discretionary income. Also, lobby to have FICA lowered by two points - the SS Trust Fund is bogus - and that would give you another grand in your pocket each year.

104 posted on 02/07/2003 1:48:01 PM PST by dirtboy
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To: null and void
I didn't say ebola.

So9 did, that's why I mentioned it.

105 posted on 02/07/2003 1:48:26 PM PST by dirtboy
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To: dirtboy
.....The historic eastern boundary of Russia (and Europe) is the Ural Mountains......

I was thinking of the trumpeter of Krakow. This time it may be diferent. Maybe there will be a trumpeter of Brussels. There will be no trumpeter of Paris, they'll blow right through France.

106 posted on 02/07/2003 1:48:46 PM PST by bert
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To: swarthyguy
Exactly. We might have had an opportunity to determine if So9 genuinely held those beliefs or if he simply wanted to encourage discussion. Unfortunately, in this medium we're all guilty of overstating our case from time to time. For instance, I sincerely doubt you believe I'm defender of genocidal maniacs. I am not but I'm not all that fond of chest thumpers either.
107 posted on 02/07/2003 1:49:18 PM PST by Darlin' ("The game is over")
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To: Tailback
Unfortunately that is unlikely to ever happen.

I fear you are right.

It would require a major (probably disasterous) change in our entire society.

108 posted on 02/07/2003 1:49:44 PM PST by null and void (Coming soon to a world near you...)
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To: Tailback
I could go into a long diatribe about why housing is so expensive here in Oregon

I'm doing my part to help you. I plan to stay in California...

109 posted on 02/07/2003 1:51:08 PM PST by null and void
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To: Billy_bob_bob
Perhaps the real problem is that we have created a society where people have to work so hard for so little that they feel they cannot responsibly afford children until they are almost too old to have them, and their fertility has fallen almost completely off the charts? Perhaps the real problem is that the average guy cannot make enough money to afford to provide for a wife and children until he is well into his thirties, if then?

Hmm... My observations are along those lines, as well. Even with minimal comforts, it's not easy to provide for a couple, let alone some children, on the husband's pay alone.

110 posted on 02/07/2003 2:01:49 PM PST by Chemist_Geek ("Drill, R&D, and conserve" should be our watchwords! Energy independence for America!)
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To: Tailback
Exactly, get rid of the marriage penalty and reward MARRIED COUPLES for having children instead of single mothers. This isn't rocket science.

Yes. And this means married couples, as in MAN and WOMAN, procreating children. No Rosie O'Donnells, Village People, or Perverts sexually involved with ther beloved Llama Esmeralda.

111 posted on 02/07/2003 6:37:14 PM PST by friendly
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To: ValerieUSA

Ping.


112 posted on 03/10/2006 11:14:08 PM PST by SunkenCiv (Yes indeed, Civ updated his profile and links pages again, on Monday, March 6, 2006.)
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To: AdmSmith; Berosus; Convert from ECUSA; dervish; Ernest_at_the_Beach; Fred Nerks; george76; ...
Note: this topic is from about five years ago. Maybe Putin lurks on FR. ;')
113 posted on 01/13/2008 7:03:51 PM PST by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/____________________Profile updated Sunday, December 30, 2007)
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To: SunkenCiv; metmom; wagglebee

“Next time you’re in a rundown diner and the 17-year-old waitress is eight months pregnant, don’t tut “What a tragedy” and point her to the nearest Planned Parenthood clinic.

Leave her a large tip instead. She’s doing the right thing, not just for her, but for all of us.”


114 posted on 01/13/2008 8:40:12 PM PST by george76 (Ward Churchill : Fake Indian, Fake Scholarship, and Fake Art)
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To: george76

17 years old and pregnant? I guess she *is* a good date...

/ducks and covers


115 posted on 01/13/2008 9:14:18 PM PST by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/____________________Profile updated Sunday, December 30, 2007)
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To: texas booster

I think Ethiopia is mainly Coptic...early Christian...


116 posted on 01/13/2008 10:21:59 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach (No Burkas for my Grandaughters!)
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To: SunkenCiv

you are very brave,

8-)


117 posted on 01/13/2008 10:26:12 PM PST by george76 (Ward Churchill : Fake Indian, Fake Scholarship, and Fake Art)
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To: texas booster

Ethiopia is a Christian country, though with a substantial Muslim population.


118 posted on 01/13/2008 10:58:43 PM PST by forkinsocket
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To: Servant of the Nine

“Why is depopulation a disaster?”

I think because human beings are, on the whole, more of an asset than a deficit to this world.


119 posted on 01/13/2008 11:19:39 PM PST by Marie2 (I used to be disgusted. . .now I try to be amused.)
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To: steve-b

The difference is, the pregnancy isn’t the bad behavior. The extra/premarital sex was. Once a girl is pregnant, I don’t see the point in “punishing” her. I don’t want her to abort the baby to hide things.


120 posted on 01/13/2008 11:23:58 PM PST by Marie2 (I used to be disgusted. . .now I try to be amused.)
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