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Peace Demonstration Bares Its Anti-Semitic Teeth: Cry of pain from the deluded, halfway-decent Left
frontpagemag.com/The Nation/Tikkun ^ | February 11, 2003

Posted on 02/11/2003 3:58:11 AM PST by SJackson

The following letters are being circulated by Marc Cooper of The Nation and by Tikkun Magazine, respectively.

Rabbi Michael Lerner has been banned from speaking at the antiwar rally in San Francisco this Sunday, February 15. One of the rally organizers, Act Now to Stop War and End Racism (ANSWER), has stated that it will not allow a "pro-Israel" speaker to take the stage -- despite the fact that Rabbi Lerner has been an outspoken critic of Israeli policy in the occupied territories, has endorsed ANSWER's antiwar rallies in the past, has signed the Not in Our Name petition against the war, and is widely known to be among the most progressive of American rabbis. Other coalitions organizing the rally, including Not in Our Name and United for Peace and Justice, have acceded to ANSWER's opposition to Lerner, on the grounds that they had previously accepted as a condition for participation in the demonstration the agreement that if one of the groups vetoed a speaker that all would have to agree.

We, the undersigned, protest ANSWER's refusal to let Rabbi Lerner speak at this Sunday's rally. At a time when the antiwar movement needs as broad a platform and as broad an appeal as possible, ANSWER has chosen instead to put the interests of sectarianism ahead of the interests of all those who oppose this foolish and unnecessary war. We believe this is a serious mistake, and that it exemplifies ANSWER's unfitness to lead mass mobilizations against war in Iraq.

- Michael Berube and Marc Cooper

Progressive Rabbi Banned From Speaking at Peace Rally Because of His Pro-Israel Stance

Rabbi Michael Lerner can not speak at the peace rally in San Francisco, February 16th. That was the response given when various groups proposed Rabbi Lerner, thinking it logical to have him speak since he is one of the most prominent peace voices in the Jewish world.

But Rabbi Lerner was blackballed and banned by A.N.S.W.E.R., one of the four organizing committees for the S.F. demonstration expected to attract hundreds of thousands. The reason: Lerner had been critical of the way that A.N.S.W.E.R. has used the anti-war demonstrations to put forward anti-Israel propaganda.

Lerner, editor of Tikkun magazine, is himself an outspoken critic of Israeli policy. But he is also a Zionist who believes in the State of Israel and supported his son to serve in the Israeli army in a combat union (the tzanchanim or paratroopers). But Lerner and Tikkun magazine have been equally critical of acts of terror by Palestinians, and they have called for Palestinians to follow a path of non-violence. In his 2003 book Healing Israel/Palestine, Lerner calls for a "progressive middle path" that is both pro-Israel and pro-Palestine, and argues that the best interests of each can only be achieved if the other side also achieves its best interests.

Other coalitions supporting the rally , including the United For Peace and Justice and the Not In Our Name, went along with the ban, arguing that they had previously accepted as a condition for participation in the demonstration the agreement that if one of the groups vetoed a speaker that all would have to go along. A.N.S.W.E.R. spokesperson, speaking on the Brian Lehrer show of WNYC, said that they would not agree to have a "pro-Israel" speaker at their rally. Meanwhile, there are many in the organized Jewish world who will not let Lerner speak because he is too critical of Israeli policy.

Beyt Tikkun synagogue, where Rabbi Lerner serves as a rabbi in San Francisco, issued the following statement: "Rabbi Lerner has urged us to continue to support the demonstration for peace on February 16th, and we will be there to show that many Jews oppose this war. However, we do not believe that had A.N.S.W.E.R. been criticized by a major feminist or gay leader and then vetoed that leader to speak at a demonstration that the other coalition partners would go along with that. So why should criticism of anti-Semitism and Israel-bashing be treated differently? A.N.S.W.E.R. doesn't believe that Israel has a right to exist. We are enthusiastic supporters of Israel, even though totally critical of its current policies. So why should our voice of critique of A.N.S.W.E.R.'s anti-Israel policy serve as a justification for excluding our rabbi from speaking? This seems a dangerous double-standard and conveys, probably unintentionally, the message that somehow anti-Semitism is not a significant issue for anti-war protesters."

Rabbi Lerner said, "I'm honored that some people wanted me to speak, and dismayed that the specific reason I'm not allowed to speak is my criticism of the anti-Israel bias of A.N.S.W.E.R. But I believe that the message of peace is far more pressing at the moment than the message of fighting the anti-Semitism among some of the march's organizers."

- Tikkun Magazine


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial
KEYWORDS: answer; appeasers; leftists; protests

1 posted on 02/11/2003 3:58:11 AM PST by SJackson
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To: SJackson
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2 posted on 02/11/2003 4:02:56 AM PST by backhoe (I learned to shoot when I was six...)
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To: SJackson
>> Act Now to Stop War and End Racism (ANSWER), has stated that it will not allow a "pro-Israel" speaker to take the stage -- despite the fact that Rabbi Lerner has been an outspoken critic of Israeli policy in the occupied territories, has endorsed ANSWER's antiwar rallies in the past, has signed the Not in Our Name petition against the war, and is widely known to be among the most progressive of American rabbis.<<

He is barred by A-N-S-W-E-R because he is a J-E-W.

3 posted on 02/11/2003 4:02:57 AM PST by Jim Noble
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To: SJackson
So we have established two things: first that the anti-War movement is really an anti-American movement and by extension an anti-Semitic, anti-Israel movement. That is no surprise to anyone paying even the least amount of attention.

Including certainly Rabbi Lerner. He seems an intelligent if totally misbegotten soul. Has he listened to any of the invective at previous anti-War rallies? Does he know who the organizers are? Does he have any idea of what these "anti-war" leaders really believe in?

Rabbi Lerner is guilty of nothing more than not doing his homework and knowing what his "antiwar friends" really believe. He desperately wants to speak and support a rally that is at its core anti-American and anti-Semitic and now he rails because.. well.. because they are acting in an anti-American and anti-Semitic way.

I have some advice for you Rabbi. Maybe you should try associating with a better class of people.
4 posted on 02/11/2003 4:11:10 AM PST by UncleSamUSA
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To: Jim Noble
ANSWERS funding and backing have been discussed before here. They are a front for the Marxist left and their goal is not to stop the war but to undermine the US in any way they can. The more things change the more they stay the same.
5 posted on 02/11/2003 4:12:51 AM PST by Arkie2
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To: SJackson
So Hillary's old pal Lerner continues to be, first and foremost, an Orthodox Leftist... what an ideological tool. Lenin may as well have said, "When the last liberal Jew is hung, he will consecrate the rope."

How fools like this can be suffered is beyond my comprehension.

6 posted on 02/11/2003 4:16:46 AM PST by niteowl77
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To: Jim Noble
If you boil it down, that can be the only A-N-S-W-E-R.
7 posted on 02/11/2003 4:20:42 AM PST by johnny7 (All republican males go to the right for de-lousing! -HRC)
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To: SJackson
This is funny.  Not that anti-semitism is funny, it's just that it's funny to watch what the allies of the Democrats do.  Course it's not funny to see them get away with it.  The media gives them such a pass, that not only do they not get condemned for what they do, the media doesn't even make the rock solid connection between this organization and the Democrat party mainstream.

Who speaks from the platform at these rallies?  Why bless my soul if it isn't the largest contributors and vociferous supporters of the Democrat party.  Little Susie Sarandon shows up to vent her wrath.  Clark Clifford shows up.  Union officals show up.  The Sierra Club shows up.  N.O.W. shows up.  The homosexual lobby shows up.  The NAACP shows up.  Al Sharpton Shows up.  Once in a while sitting Democrat Congressmen show up.  These people and groups aren't sending their designated political coins to conservative organizations, that's for sure.

Now you can say what you want about the above people.  You can defend their right to be anti-war if you like.  You can defend their right to be anti-Bush or even anti-Republican.  I don't agree with them, but hey, this is a first ammendment right.  Right?

Where things go very very south for me, is when I listen to the speakers who take the stage inbetween the above people.  Those folks are radical Moslems, Palestinain activists who damn Israel and the United States in every sentence, they are far leftist pro-illegal immigration groups with radical views about how the US has abused Mexico and it's citizens, avowed marxists from Central and South America and even radical insurgents from the Phillipeans.  When I say radical insurgents, I'm actually talking about folks who like to mingle with the Taliban and Al Qaeda connections in South-East Asia.  Linked through Malaysia, these groups are closely affiliated with the same middle-eastern groups that plotted the 09/11 event.

This coalition of ties the Democrat party to the very people who have targeted our nation for terrorism.  A.N.S.W.E.R is directly tied to the rabid anti-capitalist thugs who marched in Seattle, Canada and Europe.

This is why I find it funny.  When sitting members of our Congress jump on that stage, they are outing the party better than I ever could.  Now, if we could just get the media to string this stuff together in print, perhaps the nation's populace would see the Democrat Party for what it's truly been since the mid-1960s.

Fat chance!

If you want to know what these people are like, watch the next A.N.S.W.E.R. rally in Washington, D.C. on C-Span.  Look up their web sites, the world workers party and A.N.S.W.E.R.  You'll get an eye full.

8 posted on 02/11/2003 4:29:02 AM PST by DoughtyOne (Freeper Caribbean Cruise May 31-June 6, Staterooms As Low As $610 Per Person For Entire Week!)
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To: SJackson
Wow, I guess this identifies just who is backing the anti-American rallies.

I see a shift in voting from Jewish voters.

9 posted on 02/11/2003 4:33:53 AM PST by mware
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To: edskid
So Hillary's old pal Lerner continues to be, first and foremost, an Orthodox Leftist... what an ideological tool. Lenin may as well have said, "When the last liberal Jew is hung, he will consecrate the rope." How fools like this can be suffered is beyond my comprehension.

When Leon Trotsky bragged about being a Communist to a Rabbi, the holy man uttered these famous words, "the Trotskys will make the revolution and the Bronsteins will pay for it." The Rabbi was right -- especially as Trotsky was killed by Stalinist agent Mercador in Mexico in 1939.

Lerner thought because he was a leftist like the others he would be accepted by them, but, as the very patriotic and assimilated Jews of Germany found out, this was not true. The German Jews shaved their beards and were as patriotic and nationalistic as the rest of the Germans, but, when the head of the National Socialist German Worker's party (N.S.D.A.P), Adolf Hitler, took over, it did not matter.

Here's a neat website on so-called Rabbi Michael Lerner. It's complete with the appropriate background music too

10 posted on 02/11/2003 4:44:40 AM PST by UbIwerks
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To: DoughtyOne
Where things go very very south for me, is when I listen to the speakers who take the stage inbetween the above people.  Those folks are radical Moslems, Palestinain activists who damn Israel and the United States in every sentence, they are far leftist pro-illegal immigration groups with radical views about how the US has abused Mexico and it's citizens, avowed marxists from Central and South America and even radical insurgents from the Phillipeans

When you have a BIG tent, you gotta fill it up with somebody.

11 posted on 02/11/2003 4:44:42 AM PST by syriacus (Cloning and ESCR -- hammers used to solve all problems, even when tweezers are best.)
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To: dennisw; Cachelot; Yehuda; Nix 2; veronica; Catspaw; knighthawk; Alouette; Optimist; weikel; ...
If you'd like to be on or off this middle east/political ping list, please FR mail me.
12 posted on 02/11/2003 4:48:13 AM PST by SJackson
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To: mware
Don't bet on it. Hillary Clinton was very pro-Palestinian. She traveled to the middle east and spent the day with Mrs. Yasser Arafat. She just couldn't get enough kisses and huggs from Mrs. Arafat. At one point Mrs. Arafat condemned the Israelis in no uncertain terms. Hillary's reaction was to smile, clap vigorously and state that she agree with Mr.s Arafat's comments. Hillary was too stupid to know that Mrs. Arafat had just slandered Israel in Arabic. (or whatever the local Palestinian language)

Despite all this, Hillary gets the Jewish vote like she was the only one running. Go figure.

13 posted on 02/11/2003 4:48:28 AM PST by DoughtyOne (Freeper Caribbean Cruise May 31-June 6, Staterooms As Low As $610 Per Person For Entire Week!)
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To: UbIwerks

Lerner is the one on the left.

14 posted on 02/11/2003 4:49:27 AM PST by Alouette
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To: syriacus
When you have a big tent filled with circus attractions like Reno, Reich and Jean Lewis, you're bound to attract some interesting people. Heh heh heh...
15 posted on 02/11/2003 4:51:14 AM PST by DoughtyOne (Freeper Caribbean Cruise May 31-June 6, Staterooms As Low As $610 Per Person For Entire Week!)
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To: Alouette
Well I can tell you the Palestinians say he's the one on the right. I'm not kidding either.
16 posted on 02/11/2003 4:52:08 AM PST by DoughtyOne (Freeper Caribbean Cruise May 31-June 6, Staterooms As Low As $610 Per Person For Entire Week!)
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To: DoughtyOne
Don't bet on it. Hillary Clinton was very pro-Palestinian...If you'd like to be on or off this middle east/political ping list, please FR mail me.

Actually Hillary is thought to have gotten about 54% of the NY State Jewish vote, below her statewide margin and well below the 80% Gore received. Lots of split ballots.

17 posted on 02/11/2003 4:53:46 AM PST by SJackson
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To: SJackson
The old Soviet Union, perhaps the biggest experiment in this brand of Euro-lefty totalitarianism, was infamous in its oppression and expulsion of Jews.

To this ANSWER crowd, it's almost as if the past 50 years didn't even happen. Their heads are so buried in their solipsistic literature, they have lost touch with reality.
18 posted on 02/11/2003 5:00:02 AM PST by P.O.E. (Liberate Iraq!)
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To: SJackson
Thanks for that. The NY Jewish vote has been a lock for the left in the past hasn't it? I'm amazed to hear she only got 56% of that vote.

I would think it would be 98% for the Republicans knowing how the left feels about the PLO etc.

19 posted on 02/11/2003 5:04:00 AM PST by DoughtyOne (Freeper Caribbean Cruise May 31-June 6, Staterooms As Low As $610 Per Person For Entire Week!)
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To: DoughtyOne
Little Susie Sarandon shows up to vent her wrath. Clark Clifford shows up. Union officals show up. The Sierra Club shows up. N.O.W. shows up. The homosexual lobby shows up. The NAACP shows up. Al Sharpton Shows up. Once in a while sitting Democrat Congressmen show up.

Did you see the SNL skit about the War Protestors? I try to recreate one of my favorite parts:

Protest Leader: WHY ARE WE HERE!?!

Guy in Crowd: GAY RIGHTS!!!

Protest Leader: No, we're NOT here for gay rights...

Guy in Crowd: HOMOPHOBE!!!

This "protest movement" is just a grabbag of typical leftwing nutcases.

20 posted on 02/11/2003 5:14:40 AM PST by TontoKowalski
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To: mware
re: I see a shift in voting from Jewish voters. )))

I just antiticipate lots of crying and pouting. There is no circumstance imaginable that would make a liberal Atlantic seaboard Jew vote like a Southern Baptist.

21 posted on 02/11/2003 5:19:25 AM PST by Mamzelle
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To: SJackson
One of the rally organizers, Act Now to Stop War and End Racism (ANSWER), has stated that it will not allow a "pro-Israel" speaker to take the stage -- despite the fact that Rabbi Lerner has been an outspoken critic of Israeli policy in the occupied territories, has endorsed ANSWER's antiwar rallies in the past, has signed the Not in Our Name petition against the war, and is widely known to be among the most progressive of American rabbis.

There is something so fitting about this Israeli critic and left-wing Democrat being kicked out the door. The pathetic part is that it probably won't open his eyes, he'll just grovel around like an unwanted dog and hope that some liberals will accept him back in.

22 posted on 02/11/2003 5:30:01 AM PST by xJones
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To: SJackson
The ANSWER droids need to be hunted down and incarcerated/deported/whatever...
23 posted on 02/11/2003 5:53:48 AM PST by Cachelot (~ In waters near you ~)
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To: UbIwerks
The German Jews shaved their beards and were as patriotic and nationalistic as the rest of the Germans, but, when the head of the National Socialist German Worker's party (N.S.D.A.P), Adolf Hitler, took over, it did not matter,

Witness the historical treatment of Wilhelm Frankl: a fighter pilot who died for Germany, he was a holder of the Pour le Merite. He was also a Jew, and Hitler was not about to let the man's sacrifice count for much. Whatever other failings Wilhelm II had (and they were many), his personal anti-semitism apparently had limits. How nice of our homegrown left to be less tolerant than the Kaiser.

24 posted on 02/11/2003 5:59:59 AM PST by niteowl77
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To: Jim Noble
He is not an ordained Rabbi.
25 posted on 02/11/2003 6:06:55 AM PST by Yehuda (http://www.JewPoint.blogspot.com)
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To: Jim Noble
Most of the people I have run across from A.N.S.W.E.R./WWP are self hating Jews. A term I never heard from before 9/11.
26 posted on 02/11/2003 6:07:00 AM PST by Little Bill (No Rats, A.N.S.W.E.R./WWP is a commie front!!!!)
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To: DoughtyOne
I would think it would be 98% for the Republicans knowing how the left feels about the PLO etc.

Israel isn't a major issue for a LOT of Jews. And even among those for whom it is, you've still got a lot in Lerner's appeasement camp.

27 posted on 02/11/2003 6:39:24 AM PST by SJackson
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To: DoughtyOne; All
Can someone answer me something about Billary Clintoon?
I have wanted to know for a very long time what was in her final term thesis paper in college that she will not have released. No one but her or her professor know what is contained within her paper. Any ideas from anyone?? I suspect it is pro-communism or pro socialism. Anyone wish to expound on this?
28 posted on 02/11/2003 7:01:17 AM PST by AbsoluteJustice
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To: SJackson
Leftist Jews like Lerner will be always be used by the ANSWER types when needed, and discarded just as quickly when no longer needed. Lerner and his ilk are pathetic naifs, and ANSWER is scum. I hasten to add that I think of people like Lerner less as Jews than as leftists, since leftism is their true religion.
29 posted on 02/11/2003 7:41:03 AM PST by veronica
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To: SJackson
Actually Hillary is thought to have gotten about 54% of the NY State Jewish vote, below her statewide margin and well below the 80% Gore received. Lots of split ballots.

That shows the problem
Jews still vote liberal except when they perceive it a problem for Israel
That's why Hillary didn't get as much as Gore.
Some Jewish voters saw her as friendly to the Arabs

If Bush wins a quick victory in the Middle East and the Jewish voters perceive Israel as safe it will be back to the democrats for the liberal segment of the Jewish vote
30 posted on 02/11/2003 7:48:44 AM PST by uncbob
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To: DoughtyOne
1. You can pick your friends.

2. You can pick your nose.

Lerner is finding out that (1) an (2) do not mean that you can pick your friend's nose.
31 posted on 02/11/2003 8:07:41 AM PST by MainFrame65
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To: UncleSamUSA
Including certainly Rabbi Lerner. He seems an intelligent if totally misbegotten soul. Has he listened to any of the invective at previous anti-War rallies? Does he know who the organizers are? Does he have any idea of what these "anti-war" leaders really believe in?

I believe Lerner is the radical leftist friend of David Horowitz. Lerner got married in the 70's and he and his wife exchanged wedding rings made out of a downed US jet aircraft from Vietnam.

32 posted on 02/11/2003 8:27:06 AM PST by KC_Conspirator
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To: SJackson
Just squeeze the tube long enough, and what's inside will come out!!
33 posted on 02/11/2003 8:29:30 AM PST by The Final Harvest ( Yo! Syracuse)
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To: SJackson; DoughtyOne
(31 was misdirected - I meant to reply to the original poster. Sorry....)
34 posted on 02/11/2003 9:13:13 AM PST by MainFrame65
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To: UncleSamUSA
I think Lerner belongs to the quickly shrinking group of Jews who believe that social awareness is a commandment, and supporting the left is the only way to keep the commandment. Its a poor interpretation of the Mitzvah, but it was widespread until the left started showing its true colors.

I can think of a lot of other ways to keep my commandment to help the poor and miserable without rabid left wing crapola, and I hope he wises up soon and realizes he is contributing to a potential holocaust of his own people.

35 posted on 02/11/2003 9:15:01 AM PST by judicial meanz
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To: mware
I see a shift in voting from Jewish voters.

Don't bet on it.

Self-hating Jewish leftists are a strange bunch.

36 posted on 02/11/2003 9:21:41 AM PST by Abar
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To: SJackson
Rabbi Lerner needs to learn from Randy Travis and go back to a better class of losers before this uptown living really gets him down!
37 posted on 02/11/2003 9:28:29 AM PST by Revolting cat! (Someone left the cake out in the rain I dont think that I can take it coz it took so long to bake it)
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To: TontoKowalski
True
38 posted on 02/11/2003 9:53:44 AM PST by DoughtyOne (Freeper Caribbean Cruise May 31-June 6, Staterooms As Low As $610 Per Person For Entire Week!)
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To: SJackson
You sure do, but I never understood it. Thanks.
39 posted on 02/11/2003 9:54:32 AM PST by DoughtyOne (Freeper Caribbean Cruise May 31-June 6, Staterooms As Low As $610 Per Person For Entire Week!)
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To: AbsoluteJustice
Your thoughts are about like mine. I don't remember what it addressed, if I ever did hear what it was. They've kept that think very close to the vest. We must protect our fellow comrads from political harm you know.
40 posted on 02/11/2003 9:57:30 AM PST by DoughtyOne (Freeper Caribbean Cruise May 31-June 6, Staterooms As Low As $610 Per Person For Entire Week!)
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To: MainFrame65
No problem.
41 posted on 02/11/2003 9:57:54 AM PST by DoughtyOne (Freeper Caribbean Cruise May 31-June 6, Staterooms As Low As $610 Per Person For Entire Week!)
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To: Mamzelle
Bill Clinton was a Southern Baptist.

At any rate, older liberal Jews are blind fools.
The under 35 crowd is divided.
42 posted on 02/11/2003 11:28:23 AM PST by rmlew
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To: rmlew
So was Jimmy Carter, until he renounced his denomination in his prissy, self-righteous way. Now the Southern Baptists keep hoping Clinton will do the same favor.
43 posted on 02/11/2003 12:53:50 PM PST by Mamzelle
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To: uncbob
If Bush wins a quick victory in the Middle East and the Jewish voters perceive Israel as safe it will be back to the democrats for the liberal segment of the Jewish vote

I don’t think that’s the problem, and I don’t think GWB will pick up that many votes based on Israel, the war on terror perhaps.

Hillary wasn’t about Israel. At the time the peace process was in full gear, supported by most liberal US Jews. The Oslo War (aka al aska intiftada) had just started. If it was disappointment with Israel policy, they wouldn’t have overwhelming voted for a continuation of the Clinton policy under Gore.

Hilliary kissed Suha (sp?) after uttering a version of old libels (poisoning children) and was outed over her *ew bastard comment. She came off as a Jew hater. That was the issue, not Israel, and yes, that hatred will often transcend the liberal bias of many Jews.

If the Rep’s pick up Jewish votes it will be from demographic change, particularly economic and tax policies which appeal to younger voters. A backlash against perceived liberal anti-Semitism, yes, but I don’t think it’s perceived yet. Support for Israel, in the top 5 issues perhaps.

44 posted on 02/11/2003 5:16:54 PM PST by SJackson
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To: SJackson; rmlew; uncbob; veronica; DoughtyOne; Yehuda; UncleSamUSA
I sent this article to my Rabbi (40-something and coming around). Here is his emailed reply:

Thanks for the article.... I may not be a conservative, but I'm no fan of the left,
as you are aware. Especially when it comes to Israel. They are detached from
reality. To give you a personal example: the {other} congregation {that I serve}
was asked to co-sponsor (and host at the synagogue) an event called Tapestry,
a story-telling presentation by two American women, one Jewish and one with
Lebanese Christian ancestry. We agreed, whereupon one of the co-sponsoring
organizations -- named Kansas Committee for a Just Peace in the Mideast --
asked whether they could distribute materials at the event.

I asked to meet with representatives and look over the materials. The two folks
who came to meet me (both ordinary midwesterners, one Jewish) were as nice
as could be. We talked for quite a while, and discovered our points of view
were widely divergent. (Surprise, surprise).

Then they handed me copies of three documents they wanted to distribute. The
first referred to suicide bombers as freedom fighters, the second equated the
occupation with the Holocaust, and the third called for the US to cut off all aid
to Israel.
AND THEY REALLY THOUGHT I MIGHT CONSIDER LETTING THEM
PUT THESE ON A TABLE AT THE ENTRANCE OF THE SYNAGOGUE!

They're just clueless. Even if I secretly agreed with any of those things (which of
course I don't) I'd be committing political suicide. But they were very nice. See
you next week.

We have a small congregation that hires this rabbi for alternate weekends. He also serves another similar congregation in another city on the alternating weekends. My wife and I are the lone conservative voices in a sea of life-long yellow-dog liberals. This rabbi undoubtedly feels tremendous leftist pressure and I like to think that I offer at least a little rightward force (and it is the joy of my Shabbat to "talk" politics with congregation members...at least until I begin shaking my head in frustration). But, the Rabbi strives to be well-read and open-minded, although it remains a constant battle to offset (redirect) the liberal (But they were very nice) part of him.
45 posted on 02/11/2003 8:36:47 PM PST by Optimist (I think I'm beginning to see a pattern here)
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To: Optimist
interesting exchange - what part of the country are you in?

Is this Reform, Conservative or Orthodox?
46 posted on 02/11/2003 10:42:39 PM PST by Yehuda (http://www.JewPoint.blogspot.com)
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To: Yehuda
midwest - Conservative
47 posted on 02/11/2003 10:45:44 PM PST by Optimist (I think I'm beginning to see a pattern here)
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To: Mamzelle
There is no circumstance imaginable that would make a liberal Atlantic seaboard Jew vote like a Southern Baptist.

Imagine Krystalnacht II.
48 posted on 02/11/2003 10:59:04 PM PST by cartoonistx
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Yeah, but they didn't have to rub elbows with Baptists. I have listened to liberal Jews claim, in all sincerity, that Christians who attempt to convert Jews are the same as Nazis. As if *listening*--or avoiding listening to, as is everyone's freedom!--some religious spiel is the same as being gassed and burned.

The ones bashing the French the hardest are probably conservatives, not Liberal Jews, yet it's the French bringing in a new era of synagogue burnings.

49 posted on 02/12/2003 5:25:58 AM PST by Mamzelle
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