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How Lincoln’s Army 'Liberated' the Indians
LewRockwell.com ^ | February 12, 2003 | Thomas DiLorenzo

Posted on 02/12/2003 1:56:58 PM PST by Aurelius

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To: Sam's Army

"I am reticent to that only in seeing so many other flags being flown in this country due to heritage (Mexican, Puerto Rican, Cuban, etc). At some point we have to get on the same page identity-wise. Otherwise we will continually split into smaller and smaller divisions and be (I hate this term) Balkanized.'

There will never be total agreement in a free society. And if flying another flag seems onerous to you, then you should understand the true meaning of that flag. It is only seen as racist because of recent adoption by a racist group of looneys (recent meaning within the last 20 to 40 years), but its actual historical meaning is something entirely different.

'Therefore, the "official" issue over which this war was fought, as defined by the first magistrates on both sides, was whether the several States have a constitutional right to secede from the Union. The struggle was an American Civil War, because it was like the wars etween Israel and Judah after the death of King Soloman. It was also a War Between the States, because it was a war between a Union of Northern States and a Confederacy of Southern States. And it was no less a War for Southern Independence, because it resembled the War for American Independence. But the French seem to have devised the best name of all - "la guerre de secession," because that is what it was in the eyes of both Lincoln and Davis.

From this undeniable fact derives the true meaning of the Confederate battle flag. The regulation flag was square, 51 inches by 51 inches for units of the infantry, somewhat smaller for the artillery and cavalry. It is contained within a white border on all four sides. The central feature is the diagonal cross of St. Andrew, as displayed on the flag of Scotland, only with the colors reversed as now appears on the flag of Nova Scotia. Next was the diagonal cross of St. Patrick, which is part of the current British Union Jack, and appears today as the flag of Alabama, only with the colors reversed and bars broadened so as to fit over the cross of St. Andrew, leaving a narrow white trim to distinguish the two crosses. Then over the bars of the cross of St. Andrew are thirteen States, which signify the thirteen States represented in the Congress of the Southern States.

The Confederate battle flag has been perverted in its meaning by extremists from different parts of the political spectrum, but the truth remains that it is the banner of a Christian civilization, designed from hallowed Celtic symbols to signify the constitutional right of several States to secede from the Union. The right is universal, rooted in natural law and legal tradition, - a right of peaceable and lawful revolution, illustrated by the inexorable constitutional transformation which ushered William and Mary to the throne of England. It is a right necessary in extraordinary circumstances for every free and civilized people, whatever their race or culture, wherever their location in the world, whenever they have entered into federal relations with neighboring peoples in neighboring states for mutual advantage. Without it, federal relations are too dangerous even to consider. With this right, federal relations can be a great blessing to mankind, and can insure peace and friendship among nations.' - 'The Constitutional History of Secession' by John Remington Graham.

In other words, it is a symbol of my right to rebel against opression, tyranny which is guaranteed to me under the 9th, and 10th Amendments, The Declaration of Independence (the cornerstone of American beliefs), and by God who gave me the gift of freedom and life. Granted the spirit of rebellion is not to be used for insignificant things, but when the government tries to trample and encroach on my rights as a citizen, I reserve that right.

61 posted on 02/18/2003 3:58:47 PM PST by Colt .45 (Quod minimum specimin in te ingenii?)
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To: Colt .45
"There will never be total agreement in a free society. And if flying another flag seems onerous to you, then you should understand the true meaning of that flag. It is only seen as racist because of recent adoption by a racist group of looneys (recent meaning within the last 20 to 40 years), but its actual historical meaning is something entirely different."

The co-option of the flag by racists is unfortunate.As I said before, the flag is not onerous in terms of a historical sense, but in a perspective of yet another group wanting to put heritage above all else: Identity-politics. I understand that there will never be total agreeement in free society (or even FreeRepublic for that matter). It just seems that so much of our lense is focused backwards instead of forwards.

For all the noble reasons you list for the Civil War, things often turn out the way they should for whatever reason (God working in strange ways?). The ramifications of a southern victory may have meant a united Europe (or worse)under German control in the last century. Ditto for Japanese control in Asia.

I guess I'm getting to that totally un-PC term called "Manifest Destiny"

62 posted on 02/19/2003 5:11:40 AM PST by Sam's Army (It's 2003, not 1863.........Get over it.)
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To: Sam's Army

If a person wishes to hold and honor their heritage, it is their right. That is a part of freedom. As for the focusing backwards, a lot of this would've never come about except for the lies and spin by the PC revisionistas and the Yankee whores. They say the war was over slavery, and the Southerners side of it is that the war was over States' Rights. Granted the society of the antebellum South had a lot of faults, but then the Bill of Rights was perceived at that time by the Supreme Court as a prohibition against the Federal Government not the States. So if the truth of the South's reasons for their Right of Secession is to be upheld and not to be perverted by Yankee spin doctors, we of Southern descent must fight the lies and distortions of the truth. Our society was birthed out of a tyrannical government by the right of secession, a natural right recognized by the Founders as the prerogative of the supreme power of the land ... the People. When a government denies you that right, then you must ask yourself ... "Are we truly free?" The great thing about our country is that we can disagree (like family squabbles), but let an outsider try to start some trouble and we all band together. I am an American first and foremost, of Southern descent secondly, and of Irish/Celtic descent. I support GW Bush, I support his efforts to disarm Iraq and against terrorism. I am a Republican voter, and a staunch conservative. But like I said before, I reserve the right to rebel against tyranny. That is supported by the guarantee of the 9th, and 10th Amendments to the Bill of Rights.

63 posted on 02/19/2003 9:59:29 AM PST by Colt .45 (Quod minimum specimin in te ingenii?)
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To: The Iguana
"And skin color"

You mean you would vote for State legislators who would discriminate on skin color?
64 posted on 02/26/2003 7:43:33 PM PST by H.Akston
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