The Nature Conservancy's "outrageous contradictions and sad lies."

Paragon America News (PAN) ^ | February 12, 2003 | J. Zane Walley

[Renfield]

I don't know where you got the idea that I think logging on private land is innapropriate; I didn't say that. And I get the point of the piece, but don't agree with it.

[Iconoclast2]

Would you agree that it is incompatible with a Free Republic for the government to take tax money and use it to tie up more and more land, either directly or in cooperation with TNC? Would you agree that it does violence to the Constitution, insofar as that document was designed to ensure limited powers of the Federal government, for the Federal government to engage in this activity at all?

[Quix]

Great question. I hope there's an answer below.

[Quix]

YOU'VE CONVINCED ME.

Have long felt the Feds and such others as TNC need to get the blazes off the Western States' heritage with very few TRULY TREASURED NATIONAL PARKS, military and Native American exceptions.

Ain't gonna happen.

The death dealers have a death grip on it and won't let go until Christ deals with them. But we should still fight when and where we can. It is worthwhile to stand up and be counted for sanity, decency etc.

[Quix]

Strongly agree.

I've forgotten the details over the years, but their [BLM ETC] nonsense in NM, AZ, UT etc. that I used to routinely hear about were exceedingly stupid, ignorant and fraught with bureaucratic egos gone to seed.

The land was virtually ALWAYS MUCH WORSE OFF when they were done doing their bit 'in behalf of the land.'

[Quix]

And the BLM et al act like that SOP

is PATRIOTIC!!! Sheesh. What idiots.

Egos AND idiots gone to seed.

[Carry_Okie]

Those dirt bags are manufacturing a desert on an almost unimaginable scale. Whole civilizations have been destroyed by this kind of thinking. They don't recover either.

Read any of Savory's stuff?

[Quix]

Guess I'm not really familiar with Savory's stuff.

Any better links? Trying to collect potent docs to disprove my Mentor's affinity for leftist conservationists.

[Renfield]

I would agree that those expenditures violate the 10th amendment, as do the bulk of current federal expenditures. Strict interpretation of the Constitution, in the current political climate, is a pipe dream. It would take a violent cataclysm (something on the order of a civil war) to return us to constitutuional government, and I don't see this happening in my life time, especially as those who most desire strict constitutionalism don't control tax revenues.

[countrydummy]

http://www.nationalcenter.org/dos7128.htm

This might help explain why TNC is not the good guys!

[Cuttnhorse]

Allen Savory, from Rhodesia I believe, is a pioneer of grazing methods in arid and semi-arid areas...the basic concept is to divide pastures up into small individual units, then they are grazed intensively for short periods of time in a continuous rest and rotation program. It's much more complicated than what I described and if you want more information on this type of land management, I strongly suggest a subscription to RANGE Magazine. It is a magazined dedicated to ranch life and contains lots of good articles on techniques and examples of good range management. Savory occasionally writes articles for RANGE.