CANADIAN court agrees that BIBLE is HATE LITERATURE

CWNews.com ^ | 2-11-2003 | staff

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In a ruling given virtually no media coverage, the Court of Queen's Bench in Saskatchewan, ruled that a man who placed references to Bible verses on homosexuality into a newspaper ad was guilty of inciting hatred. The December 11, 2002 decision was in response to an appeal of a 2001 Saskatchewan Human Rights Commission (HRC) ruling which ordered both the Saskatoon StarPhoenix newspaper and Hugh Owens of Regina to pay CAN$1,500 to three homosexual activists for publishing an ad in the Saskatoon newspaper quoting Bible verses regarding homosexuality.

The purpose of the ad was to indicate that the Bible says no to homosexual behavior. The advertisement displayed references to four Bible passages: Romans 1, Leviticus 18:22, Leviticus 20:13, and 1 Corinthians 6:9-10, on the left side. An equal sign (=) was situated in the middle, with a symbol on the right side. The symbol was comprised of two males holding hands with the universal symbol of a red circle with a diagonal bar superimposed over top.

Justice J. Barclay rejected the appeal ruling: "In my view, the Board was correct in concluding that the advertisement can objectively be seen as exposing homosexuals to hatred or ridicule. When the use of the circle and slash is combined with the passages of the Bible, it exposes homosexuals to detestation, vilification and disgrace. In other words, the Biblical passage which suggests that if a man lies with a man they must be put to death exposes homosexuals to hatred."

Janet Epp Buckingham, Legal Counsel for the Evangelical Fellowship of Canada, told LifeSite: "The ruling that a verse from the Bible can be considered to expose homosexuals to hatred shows the danger for Scripture if Bill C-250 passes." Bill C-250, proposed by homosexual activist MP Svend Robinson, would see "sexual orientation" added to hate crime law as a prohibited ground of discrimination.

[Luis Gonzalez]

This is fun, I was actually sad that I wasn't going to have you around to beat on.

I noticed that you dropped the lie about my posts being pulled, I'll say it again, it isn't all that difficult to expose a liar.

[Luis Gonzalez]

"I'm not telling you not to do it."

Well! Thank you for that!

[Luis Gonzalez]

I see that you're calling for help.

[yendu bwam]

There is no possible way Canada respects freedom of thought and speech in the same way that America does. The Doug Collins case is particularly odious, where the adjudicator for the alleged "Human Rights" tribunal claimed that "the Truth is no defense" and that "hurt feelings are the issue".

What's particularly sad and crazy, Archimedes2000, is that so many Canadians actually defend the taking away of their own freedoms. Americans are a different breed.

[yendu bwam]

They are not "slouching to Gomorrah" -- they have declared themselves "Gomorrah".

In Canada, homosexuality is now 'normalized', with kids being indoctrinated in schools, scouting programs, churches and by government programs. And the average parent citizen retains little or no power to stop that (because, in large part, speech 'offensive' to homosexuals is being criminalized).

[Luis Gonzalez]

You and I exchanged words on this subject, and while the debate was heated, and it is a subject that emotes passion, we kept the dialogue fairly civil.

This poster, Thorondir, is a racist, follow him about the forum and you will find plenty of evidence to that effect.

He first posted to me on a thread announcing my Radio FR show featuring the Executive Director of The Islamic Supreme Council of America...here is that first post, we had never spoken to one another before, to the best of my recollections.

My first response to him was measured, and polite, but as you will see as you follow the thread, that was not his intention at all, by this post he was already starting the ethnic slurs. He continue scalating, and a few posts later, he began the name-calling.

I would ask you to closely examine the thread to verify my facts.

The ethnic slurs continued on the thread, as well as insults leveled at Christian folk who spoke about converting Muslims to Christianity by showing them the love of Jesus Christ.

Should you wish further evidence of this man's racism, simply follow his posts in the forum, it will become nausiantingly evident to you very quickly.

[Luis Gonzalez]

One last thing, by the end of our last encounter, he apologized for the ethnic slurs, and I had not addressed him since.

He apparently decided to retract that apology, and initiate the flame war once again.

You will notice that once again, he addressed me first, and is starting the name-calling already.

You will also notice that unlike in my posts, he will not substantiate a single accusation, he won't because they are lies.

Specifically, the one about my calling his mother a whore...no such thing, and he can't provide you with a link.

Like on this thread, he will claim that the post was pulled, but as I demonstrated on this thread already, he lies about that as well.

[GiovannaNicoletta]

I can't wait until Christ returns, reclaims His creation, and cleans this planet up once and for all.

[yendu bwam]

I can't wait until Christ returns, reclaims His creation, and cleans this planet up once and for all.

We all hope and pray for that. There is something that is so much better ahead...

God bless!

yendu bwam

[yendu bwam]

Luis - Far better to worry about the debate (which is the point of this post), than about those who may or may not have debated honorably. Remember your quote from Matthew, my friend...

[Luis Gonzalez]

"Remember your quote from Matthew, my friend..."

:-)

That's not fair...beating me with my own argument.

[yendu bwam]

Well, Luis, it's hard for all of us...

[Admin Moderator]

knock it off.

[Sangamon Kid]

What are you talking about?

[Sangamon Kid]

My lastest input was 80 posts ago, but if your intention is to upbraid me for asking simply asking civil, though pointed, questions, then you are confused. It is Luis Gonzalez who should be removed from this forum for his crude and venemous remarks, not me.

[David1]

Hi Luis, ;-)

I went back on this thread where things started to get heated up again because you thought Throndir was being disingenuine. Then I noticed you started getting heated up again where you though Throndir was being disingenuine. I believe that you really thought he was being disingenuine but I did not view it as that. I thought that he really did not see the post you were talking about. Maybe I'm too naive but I really did believe him that he did not see the post where you were accused of defending gays. I think since you thought he was starting to pick on you again you started heating up again. And understandably so after your last encounters with Throndir. But Throndir already has apologized for that last encounter. So lets start again with a clean slate. So everyone, calm down a bit and lets get back to civility. Lets all talk about the issues calmly and not get personal. That is for everyone.

[Thorondir]

One last thing, by the end of our last encounter, he apologized for the ethnic slurs, and I had not addressed him since.

I DID apologize for responding to your profane attacks with anger, sir. And it was like pulling teeth to get you to apologize for repeatedly calling my mother a whore, which you kindly did. Thank you.

He apparently decided to retract that apology

Nope.

You will notice that once again, he addressed me first, and is starting the name-calling already.

Please link to the post on this thread where I have called you any name. I have done nothing of the kind, sir. Not once. Not even close.

Specifically, the one about my calling his mother a whore...no such thing, and he can't provide you with a link.

The posts where you repeatedly slurred my mother WERE removed by the moderator, sir, and you know it. If a call to civility gets you this angry, then so be it. I can't help you. Just stop hunting me down and posting rude things to me (as you once bragged is so easy to do). But it is really not that important, my friend. And I see it does no good to ask you to maintain the level of civility and decency I once got you to rise up to. Anyway, sir, have a good day.

[David1]

If I remember correctly you started by attacking Luis ethnicity. Luis responded by saying your mother worked at the border. You took that to mean that he called your mother a whore. I don't think he said that to you before you started attacking Luis ethnicity. He said it only after you attacked his ethnicity. Then a huge flame war started but then it stopped after both of you apologized. Maybe you were angry over something else Luis said. I don't know nor do I care. All I know is you guys have to calm down and just discuss the facts civilly without getting personal again. If that is impossible for anyone of you to do then just do not respond to one another. Discuss the facts with other people other then yourselves without ever mentioning anything the other said. This can help avoid anymore conflicts in the future between you 2 guys.

[Luis Gonzalez]

"...repeatedly calling my mother a whore..."

Please post one link to any post where I called your mother a whore, and I will personally ask the Moderators to pull it.