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Blair warns that marchers will have 'blood on their hands'
The Sunday Telegraph ^ | February 16, 2003 | Colin Brown and Francis Elliott

Posted on 02/15/2003 5:58:20 PM PST by MadIvan

Tony Blair warned the estimated one million anti-war protesters in Britain yesterday that they would have blood on their hands if they succeeded in stopping action to depose Saddam Hussein.

As mass marches took place in cities around the world, the Prime Minister used his strongest terms so far to confront the critics of military action, including some in his Cabinet.

He told Labour's Spring conference in Glasgow: "Ridding the world of Saddam would be an act of humanity. It is leaving him there that is inhumane." There would be "consequences paid in blood" for failing to disarm the Iraqi dictator, he added.

The Telegraph has learned that the Prime Minister avoided a Cabinet split by holding private talks before his speech with Clare Short, the International Development Secretary, to secure her support for putting a "moral case" for toppling Saddam.

A Downing Street official said: "He had lengthy discussions with Clare about the humanitarian aspects of the speech. There is absolutely no problem with Clare."

Mr Blair challenged his party to support his leadership, saying: "I do not seek unpopularity as some badge of honour, but sometimes it is the price of leadership."

Cabinet colleagues said his speech amounted to a "back me or sack me" ultimatum and that it was an unprecedented political gamble by the Prime Minister. Hilary Armstrong, the Chief Whip, said: "This is something that he's considered carefully. He is aware of the dangers to himself of this."

Mr Blair has also secured the support of other potential Cabinet critics of a war on Iraq, including John Prescott, the Deputy Prime Minister, who will back his stand in a speech to the conference today, and Margaret Beckett, the Environment Secretary.

One senior minister said: "Everybody is worried, but I don't see anybody in the Cabinet who doesn't understand that the balance of the argument is in backing action if necessary."

David Blunkett, the Home Secretary, said the crisis was "one of the more difficult" in the past 40 years for Labour. In a message to those who had "left the party or who were toying" with quitting, he urged the Labour "family" to "pull together and stick together".

However, Diane Abbott, the Labour MP for Hackney North and Stoke Newington, gave warning that members were threatening to tear up their cards. "Blair is risking liquidating his own party," she said.

Mr Blair's allies conceded that there could still be a Cabinet split if he failed to win a second resolution at the United Nations Security Council.

Robin Cook, the Leader of the House, is regarded as the most likely to quit the Cabinet if Mr Blair decides to back United States-led military action without a second resolution.

The Prime Minister will try to revive his hopes of avoiding a French veto for a second resolution when he confronts President Jacques Chirac at the European Union emergency summit on Iraq in Brussels tomorrow.

Mr Blair said UN weapons inspectors should be given more time in Iraq, but he remained committed to action "within weeks, not months" if Iraq refused to disarm.

Kofi Annan, the UN Secretary General, warned Baghdad last night that a new Security Council resolution could be forthcoming.

He said: "I believe that the inspectors should continue their work, but if there is no co-operation then the council will see that the operation has become meaningless and that inspections could end. The ball is again in the Iraqi leadership's court."

While Mr Blair made no reference to a second UN resolution in his speech, Downing Street later insisted that he remained committed to seeking a "final verdict" on Iraqi failure to disarm. "He still has confidence in the UN and he still has confidence in Hans Blix," said an aide.

Another official at Number 10 said Mr Blair was "not exactly upbeat" but that "his moral certitude is as strong as ever on this".


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To: Stavanger
Unfortunately he doesn't or he would have come up with it long before nowInstead he cuts and pastes from the Internet. My father is 88 and has just returned his labour party membership in absolute disgust

And the son of a socialist (probably a socialist himself) is here for what reason?

Begone, socialist.

Ivan

101 posted on 02/16/2003 8:05:57 AM PST by MadIvan
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To: arete
Yeah, they are all lap dogs and poodles. Here boy Roll Over Good Doggie

I see, we're lap dogs when virtually the rest of the world, the UN, the media, and the EU is telling us not to support you and yet we stick to the line and send a quarter of our army to fight by your side.

What part of "take a massive dose of shut the hell up you fool", do you not understand?

Ivan

102 posted on 02/16/2003 8:08:47 AM PST by MadIvan
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To: MadIvan
Let 'em 'ave it, Ivan.

On a slightly different subject, my take on Blair, Bush, etc. is pretty much what has already been said on this thread (i.e. Blair and Bush know some pretty horrifying data that they can't share at the present time) but with a particular twist.

Based on what I have seen since 9/11 I believe it is Blair that has been out on front on this issue, even more so than Bush. I think it is Blair that has truly thought this one through and has brought Bush with him. I remember a Blair trip to Crawford TX soon after 9/11 and then seeing photo ops of Blair and Bush together. Bush looked like he'd just seen a ghost. I think he had and it was Blair who showed it to him.

That is the explanation for the titanium in Blair's backbone, IMHO. He is truly the originator of this policy, he believes in it with every fibre in his being, and he will do whatever it takes to see it to its logical conclusion.
103 posted on 02/16/2003 8:23:31 AM PST by 2 Kool 2 Be 4-Gotten
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To: 2 Kool 2 Be 4-Gotten
I remember that meeting. Blair is not a man who takes political risks lightly, which is the strongest reason to believe that he must know something that he feels compelled not to share. It makes the desperation that he and Bush share about removing Saddam, all the more comprehensible.

One thing you must remember is that Clinton ran down American intelligence assets to ridiculous levels - so it is not surprising if Blair showed Bush something that Bush didn't know. For example, on 9/11, America had no intelligence operatives in Afghanistan. Not one. MI6, fortunately, did.

When Bill Clinton is going to be tried for treason is another matter.

Regards, Ivan

104 posted on 02/16/2003 8:26:40 AM PST by MadIvan
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To: MadIvan
Excellent point, Ivan, I hadn't considered the intelligence situation. Blair might have had the intelligence for some time, and 9/11 may have given him the opportune time and an attentive audience.
105 posted on 02/16/2003 8:38:36 AM PST by 2 Kool 2 Be 4-Gotten
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To: MadIvan
Shove it where the sun doesn't shine, peacenik. You had your day yesterday. You have your site at Democrat Underground.

Why is it that you find it so necessary to silence free speech and throw the constitution out the window? You are the people I fear most and are the ones who will bring our country down. You ought to stop and listen to yourself.

Richard W.

107 posted on 02/16/2003 8:54:45 AM PST by arete (Greenspan is a ruling class elitist and closet socialist who is destroying the economy)
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To: MadIvan
Once again, I continue to be amazed at Tony Blair. To risk his own political butt is something we on this side of the Atlantic don't see in our home-grown liberals.
I'd really like to meet Mr. Blair one day and shake his hand.
108 posted on 02/16/2003 8:54:45 AM PST by HanneyBean
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To: MadIvan
What part of "take a massive dose of shut the hell up you fool", do you not understand?

That the best you can do? Blair is a houseboy. With his own people against him, Blair should be quiet and just follow Washington's instructions.

Richard W.

109 posted on 02/16/2003 9:00:43 AM PST by arete (Greenspan is a ruling class elitist and closet socialist who is destroying the economy)
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To: arete
That the best you can do? Blair is a houseboy. With his own people against him, Blair should be quiet and just follow Washington's instructions.

He's a houseboy for standing up for what he believes in, in the face of public opinion? Excuse me, but what planet did you drop off of?

Blair is no houseboy. A houseboy would have caved a long time ago to what the media wanted. It is simply not expedient for Blair to be doing what he is doing. For you to suggest otherwise is not only wrong, it's disgusting.

Ivan

110 posted on 02/16/2003 9:19:17 AM PST by MadIvan
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To: arete
Why is it that you find it so necessary to silence free speech and throw the constitution out the window?

I didn't silence you. I told you where it was more appropriate to express peacenik crap. But if you continue to stay, I will be delighted to take you on. I'm sick to death of hearing peacenik crap in the face of overwhelming logic.

Ivan

111 posted on 02/16/2003 9:20:44 AM PST by MadIvan
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To: arete
By the way, people like you are blood sucking leeches off of those who actually will stand up and defend your right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. You disgust me, as you disgust everyone else who has the vigour and resolve to stand up to evil in this world. You are no-shows at this fight and yet you harp against those who have more honour and courage than you. You are utter slime and filth.

Ivan

112 posted on 02/16/2003 9:24:04 AM PST by MadIvan
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To: MadIvan; varina davis
I believe he knows something about Iraq that he is not able to share with us at the present time
He's got WMD, biological, & maybe nukes... what else is there?
113 posted on 02/16/2003 9:25:03 AM PST by Libertina
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To: Libertina
Well I suspect it has something to do with nukes, to tell the truth.

And one other idea - Ebola.

Regards, Ivan

114 posted on 02/16/2003 9:27:10 AM PST by MadIvan
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To: Rebel Coach

I'm curious: you can click on the link in post #78 and get to the website? Which browser and version are you using?

115 posted on 02/16/2003 9:27:50 AM PST by Cultural Jihad
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To: prairiebreeze; MadIvan
It's interesting that Tony Blair should say this about having blood on their hands. I was just finishing David Horowitz's book - Beating the Democrats - last night, and that was what he said too. That the lefties and himself (in his younger days) had blood on their hands for helping prolong the Viet Nam war. They gave our enemies hope and so made the war stretch out several more year. In addition, since communists were not stopped, millions of Cambodian peasants were exterminated by Pol Pot, millions more Vietnamese were imprisoned or killed... Thanks to the lefties. I have to add that the weak-spined US administration also played a part.
116 posted on 02/16/2003 9:31:59 AM PST by Libertina
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To: MadIvan
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117 posted on 02/16/2003 9:32:56 AM PST by Libertina
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To: MadIvan
It is simply not expedient for Blair to be doing what he is doing.

Blair is only there to take orders from Washington regardless of what the British people think. He's a lackey, nothing more and nothing less.

Richard W.

118 posted on 02/16/2003 9:33:01 AM PST by arete (Greenspan is a ruling class elitist and closet socialist who is destroying the economy)
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To: Libertina
If Saddam was facing a united international community, meaning the French, Germans and Russians were all saying that he should go too - it is that much more likely Saddam would depart to save his skin, rather than have any hope to cling onto power.

Therefore, every soldier that dies in removing this evil man, we can partially blame on the French, Germans, Russians and the peaceniks. Every bomb that falls, every single casualty. Because by giving hope to Saddam, they killed hopes for this to be done peacefully.

Regards, Ivan

119 posted on 02/16/2003 9:34:17 AM PST by MadIvan
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To: arete
Blair is only there to take orders from Washington regardless of what the British people think.

That is an assertion without any facts behind it whatsoever. Try again.

He's a lackey, nothing more and nothing less.

Garbage. He was in office before George W. Bush arrived - how could he be on Bush's "payroll"?

Do better or shut up. Or don't, actually. You make yourself look more the fool the more you talk.

Ivan

120 posted on 02/16/2003 9:35:56 AM PST by MadIvan
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