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Berlin's New Anti-American Axis (Joschka Fischer Alert)
National Review ^ | 2/14/03 | Ion Mihai Pacepa

Posted on 02/15/2003 8:52:26 PM PST by defenderSD

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To: defenderSD
I bet a German Foreign Minister with links to terrorism wouldn't have any problem at all with helping to grease the wheels on sales of weapons and tech to a terrorist country like Iraq.
21 posted on 02/15/2003 11:05:10 PM PST by piasa (Attitude adjustments offered here free of charge.)
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To: defenderSD
http://pubs.socialistreviewindex.org.uk/sr249/harman.htm

Chris Harman looks at the political life of Germany's foreign minister Joschka Fischer Published February 2001

'Joschka Fischer--we knew him as the stick man. He'd stand at the back of meetings and hand out sticks for breaking windows on demonstrations.' So a German socialist told me two years ago. By then Fischer was German foreign minister, and enthusing over the bombing of Serbia and Kosovo by Nato planes using bombs that were tipped with depleted uranium.

I assumed the story about Fischer was, to say the least, somewhat exaggerated--as the best stories often are. But then last month reports from Germany suggested there might be more truth to it than I first thought. Fischer was a witness in the trial of someone accused of an armed attack on an Opec ministers' meeting in Vienna 25 years ago, and in the course of the trial a photo appeared in the press, supposedly showing him as a helmeted demonstrator attacking a policeman. This produced screams of outrage about the 'violent past' of the foreign minister from those sections of the German press sympathetic to the opposition Christian Democrats (Tories)--as if somehow the few bruises to a policeman a quarter of a century ago are in the same league as the horrendous deaths he helped cause in Serbia and Kosovo recently.

His past should, however, be of interest to people involved in the anti-capitalist movements today for the experiences which radicalised him at one point in his life were very similar to those which have been radicalising people since Seattle. He told the court how he was committed to non-violence until an Easter 1968 rally. This was immediately after the attempted assassination by the German student leader Rudi Dutschke. Fischer was lying on the ground and asked himself, 'Why always let yourself be hit?' After that, he tells, 'We decided to defend ourselves.'

His reaction was very similar to that of many thousands of young people across the world at the time. Liberals, social democrats and pacifists saw horrors like the war in Vietnam or the assassination of Martin Luther King in the US, and proclaimed themselves 'revolutionaries' en masse. There was, however, an argument everywhere about what it means to be revolutionary.

Some of us argued that the key to fighting back successfully against the system was reaching out from the relatively narrow milieux involved in the existing protest movement to sink roots among the great mass of the world's people who suffered from the system in their everyday lives--especially the rapidly expanding ranks of the world's working class.

The often more popular response was to simply see things in terms of the existing movements becoming more militant. This was the path Fischer followed. He did not carry the idea to its logical conclusion, as did those people who took to planting bombs or shooting prominent ruling class figures--the path of the Baader-Meinhof group in Germany, the Red Brigades in Italy and the Weathermen in the US. But he did opt to join the ranks of what was known as the Frankfurt Spontis.

This group, whose leading figure was Dany Cohn-Bendit, combined the belief that somehow China was socialist with a hostility to 'Leninist' organisation. In practice this meant it rejected attempts to carry revolutionary socialist political argument into the organised working class. Instead it glorified in the 'spontaneity' of an already radicalised minority whose protests turned into street fighting with the police. Its approach exacerbated an already existing trend in Germany in the late 1960s and early 1970s. Revolutionaries tended to inhabit 'red' ghettos confined to the universities of cities like Frankfurt and Berlin. The Spontis simply extended the ghettos a little to encompass groups like squatters.

People soon found in practice that street fighting by an isolated radical minority could not budge German capitalism. They began to feel something more was needed. Groups like the Baader-Meinhof Red Army Fraction emerged--and were regarded with respect by many of the street fighting milieux. They seemed to be the ones who were taking seriously the notion of confrontation with the system. But precisely because they too were a minority, the state found it easy to destroy them. The Red Army Fraction, the Weathermen and the Red Brigades were all crushed mercilessly.

Many of the leading Spontis and autonomists followed a different path. The minority, they reasoned, could not change society violently, and therefore it had to pursue what Rudi Dutschke called 'the long march through the institutions'. The street fighters in leather jackets and jeans had to become the Green parliamentary candidates in leather jackets and jeans, organised in a 'non-hierarchical' fashion. And when they found they could not get more than about 5 percent of the vote (the level needed to get parliamentary seats in Germany), Fischer told them that they had to break with 'fundamentalism' and become 'realist Greens'. They embraced a hierarchical form of organisation, abandoned any residual hostility to capitalism, donned suits or took to power dressing, collaborated with right wing social democrats, and, eventually, joined governments prepared to engage in the sort of imperialist violence that had once so enraged them.

The story is worth telling today because we can see some of the same trends at work in the new anti-capitalist movements. People beaten and teargassed by the state are having again to think through how a radical minority can act effectively. And again the easy answer can be that of simply being better prepared to use more militant tactics on demonstrations.

In the US the misnamed 'Black Block' of hardline (almost all white) anarchists has tried to give the impression that it is the most serious force on the successor demonstrations to Seattle, while in Europe the neo-autonomist organisation Ya Basta!, with its Michelin man like demonstration gear, presents itself as the model others should follow.

Both fail to understand that demonstrations do exactly what the name implies--they demonstrate our hostility to the system. They act as a focus for discontent, as a way of drawing together people with differing discontents. But they cannot in themselves break the hold of the system, however militant and well organised they are--unless, that is, the movement finds ways of involving the vast mass of working people who, at the moment, are still standing on the sidelines (or, more likely, watching us on television).

'Street Fighting Man' may look heroic. But it is only 'Mass Organising Person' who can really take on the system.


22 posted on 02/15/2003 11:09:52 PM PST by Liberty Reigns
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To: Howlin; Lion's Cub; Travis McGee; Miss Marple
As a matter of fact, I have to wonder if ol Rummy was thinking specifically of German Foreign Minister Fischer and his terrorist buddy Klein, Carlos the Jackal and Libya in that OPEC attack in Vienna when Rummy made the direct jab at Germany by associating it with Libya the other day:

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Germany has been seething since Mr Rumsfeld last week bracketed Germany with Cuba and Libya as nations that had withheld support for the US build-up against Iraq.

23 posted on 02/15/2003 11:13:55 PM PST by piasa (Attitude adjustments offered here free of charge.)
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To: defenderSD
The Greens don't wear the silly uniforms, goose step, and spout the racist hatred that the Nazis did (although anti-Americanism is becoming a substitute for anti-Semitism), but if you scratch the surface and start making some inquiries, you will start to find some profoundly disturbing affinities between much of the National Socialist platform and worldview and that of the Greens.

Joschka Fischer strikes me as just the type that could someday become a "New Age Hitler" -- maybe even someday soon.

24 posted on 02/15/2003 11:16:27 PM PST by Stefan Stackhouse
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To: tictoc
Are you sure that guy isn't a downhill ski racer. Looks like he's wearing a ski mask along with his shiny black helmet.
25 posted on 02/15/2003 11:19:16 PM PST by carl in alaska (Hey Jacques!....What are you trying to hide?)
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To: VaBthang4
Just in case those pictures ever get completely purged from the web, I just saved all of them for future use on a personal website. (They can't stop FR...they only slow us down for a few days.)
26 posted on 02/15/2003 11:22:10 PM PST by carl in alaska (Hey Jacques!....What are you trying to hide?)
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To: VaBthang4; knighthawk; Sabertooth; piasa; Grampa Dave; dennisw
I agree with you VaB. They approve of this red terrorist.

We need to pull our troops, our money and our investmens out of that scheisse hole red nazi nation.

27 posted on 02/16/2003 1:09:19 AM PST by Travis McGee (---------- "UNamericans" put the U.N. before America!)
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To: piasa
YES! Great catch, great connection!

Libya-Germany-Cuba... Rummy was aiming that at Fischer!

28 posted on 02/16/2003 1:12:25 AM PST by Travis McGee (---------- "UNamericans" put the U.N. before America!)
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To: aristeides; thinden; honway; archy; Wallaby
fyi
29 posted on 02/16/2003 1:37:13 AM PST by Lion's Cub
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To: americanbychoice; a_Turk; BMCDA; eabinga; Einigkeit_Recht_Freiheit; hellinahandcart; longjack; ...
tictoc:

One for your spanking new ping list?

We'll give it a try!

ping

longjack

30 posted on 02/16/2003 1:55:11 AM PST by longjack
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To: piasa
Good point about Rummy.

And that makes me think that the administration knew all along that they'd get no help from the axis of weasels.

But how do you tell the American people that those they've defended for decades have gone the way of Darth Vader? You don't try to tell them--you show them--or they'll never believe you.

We didn't have to go to the UN for a resolution to prosecute the war. We had to go to the UN to rip the masks off the wolves in sheeps' clothing so Americans could gain a clearer understanding of the dangers we face.

Whether that turns out to be true or not, at least it makes me feel better for now about this seeming bending over to the UN.

But I reserve the right to question what the heck is going on if we haven't begun the march to Baghdad by the end of March :)

31 posted on 02/16/2003 2:08:47 AM PST by Lion's Cub
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To: pepsionice
Is this information on Fischer's background known in Germany?

If not, why not?

I was wondering if anyone knows if there is a German site for political discussion where we could post some of these articles (bablefished into German, of course).
32 posted on 02/16/2003 4:13:55 AM PST by fightinJAG (We will not tire. We will not falter. We will prevail.)
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To: VaBthang4; Travis McGee
Let the Germans start paying for their own defence from now on. Kick them, and the French and Belgians too, out NATO. And let Australia in instead.
33 posted on 02/16/2003 4:21:15 AM PST by knighthawk
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To: VaBthang4; defenderSD
You have to assume that the German government is now riddled with Russian spies.
34 posted on 02/16/2003 4:48:55 AM PST by Ranger
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To: tictoc
As a matter of fact, was indicted for aiding and abetting a fugitive from the law - he went to France and put money in his friend's hand.

Correction, should be: As a matter of fact, Cohn-Bendit was indicted for aiding and abetting a fugitive from the law - he went to France and put money in his friend's hand.

Everybody could use an editor :-)

I am not aware that it has been proven that Fischer also actively aided and abetted the fugitive Klein. Not that the German mainstream media ever tried. Forget about a prosecutor indicting a sitting foreign minister. In Germany, prosecutors are not part of the judiciary, but belong to the executive branch of government.

35 posted on 02/16/2003 5:10:01 AM PST by tictoc
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To: fightinJAG
Is this information on Fischer's background known in Germany?

Yes. Not enough Germans care, however, to force Fischer to resign. On the contrary, he regularly comes in first in polls rating the popularity of German politicians.

36 posted on 02/16/2003 5:12:42 AM PST by tictoc
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To: VaBthang4; Travis McGee; tictoc

28. Mai 1974: "Joschka" Fischer rennt mit anderen Demonstranten vor Polizeiwasserwerfern weg.   Foto: dpa / Rehm
28. Mai 1974: "Joschka" Fischer rennt mit anderen Demonstranten vor Polizeiwasserwerfern weg. Foto: dpa / Rehm

Joschka s kamarády bojoval proti kapitalismu. Dokonce zmlátili policistu.

Pak se změnila doba a Joschka se se svou stranou Zelených dostal do Bundestagu.

http://www.broumovsko.aktualne.cz/bp.php?rubrika=osobn&cislo=6

Joschka začal tloustnout.

A proto začal běhat. Nejdříve 500 metrů denně, potom pár kilometrů denně...

Občas si kopl i do míče.

A už dokonce běhá maratony.

Dnes je Joschka ministrem zahraničí SRN. Strana Zelených směřuje k politickému středu.

 

 

37 posted on 02/16/2003 5:14:20 AM PST by dennisw ( http://www.littlegreenfootballs.com/weblog/weblog.php)
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To: tictoc
...every fellow traveler suffers in hell.

Uh-oh. Does sincere repentance count? Careful what you wish for, tictoc.

38 posted on 02/16/2003 5:15:24 AM PST by tictoc
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To: fightinJAG
I was wondering if anyone knows if there is a German site for political discussion.

The only one I know about is www.politikforum.de.

But I don't think it is very large. Maybe a few hundred posters, most of them anti-american.

39 posted on 02/16/2003 5:21:17 AM PST by eabinga
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To: carl in alaska
Are you sure that guy isn't a downhill ski racer.

Tongue in cheek remark, I take it? German politicians are sue happy. If the picture were falsely identified, Roehl would have been forced to take it off her web site a long time ago.

P.S. The web site of Bettina Roehl is well worth visiting. There is a small element of shrillness and feeling persecuted, however, this is entirely understandable given the crushing weight that the leftist/liberal German establishment has marshaled against her.

For example, her contract to publish a book was cancelled after she made the "violent Fisher" pictures public. The publisher justified its breach of contract by claiming that she had harmed their business because Fischer is a published author under the same label. Having cancelled her book, the publisher then took her to court to force her to repay the $150,000 advance.

Of particular importance to me is her interview (on her personal web site www.bettinaroehl.de) with Ignatz Bubis of blessed memory, the former head of the council of German Jews. Roehl is remarkably clear-eyed about the hypocrisy and the antisemitism on the German left. She would make a fine member of FreeRepublic!

40 posted on 02/16/2003 5:30:54 AM PST by tictoc
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