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THE DOOMSDAY CLOCK 2 - HILLARY
ME | FEB 16 2003 | ME

Posted on 02/16/2003 12:13:47 PM PST by muleboy

GORE - OUT, DASCHLE - OUT, Clark out also.

IN: Lieberman, Kerry, Edwards, Sharpton, Dean, Gephardt

MAYBE'S: Mosely-Braun, Kucinich, Graham, Dodd, Biden

3rd party maybes: McKinney, Nader

The only potential DEM candidate to out-poll Hillary during 2002, Al Gore, is out of the race, so he says. The only other potential DEM candidate to get more media "face-time" in opposition to President Bush, during 2002, Tom Daschle, is also out. The only potential candidate whose military credentials would outflank Hillary from the right, Gen. Wesley Clark, is also out. I don't believe Kerry's "service" counts for much.

Thus the DEM field consists of two handfulls of small-fries, wannabes, and cranks. The perfect formula for a lack of consensus, a divisive and intense primary season following a pathetic and inconclusive pre-primary, fundraising year. Setting the stage for a groundswell of support to "draft" Hillary, should Bush seem vulnerable, or Gore, if victory seems less probable. Only Kerry can fund himself and he is now slightly hampered by health questions. Both Lieberman and especially Kerry, could survive a bloody primary season, get the Nomination, and slug through to defeat, allowing the DEMS to concentrate their money on House and Senate races, should circumstances warrant.

But before the money primary is concluded, another factor that could wreck the scales will be decided. In September of this year, the UN may elect a new Secretary-General. If an unpopular Kofi Annan resigns, the way will be cleared for none other than BILL CLINTON.

As a life-long observer and chronicler of Bill Clinton's career, I find such a scenario easy to imagine. Bill has always lacked the patience that Hillary has, and he does not function well away from the spotlight. In view of the current machinations taking place between the Bush administration and the UN, it would seem that Bush is in a lose-lose-lose situation.

If Bush goes to war in Iraq, without UN sanction, dozens of nations will turn to the UN to try to check future uses of American power.

If Bush forges or finesses a new UN resolution authorizing force in Iraq, and the war goes well, the UN will be strengthened implicitly, and Kofi Annan could leave office on a high-note, and provide Bill with the opportunity to return to the spotlight, with more power than any previous UN Secretary-General.

If Bush gains a new UN resolution and the war goes badly, both he and Kofi will suffer disastrously, to Bill Clinton's potential benefit.

Indeed, when one examines many of the activities of Bill Clinton during his Presidency, (excluding cigars, sinks, and blue dresses), it makes a great deal of sense to conclude that Bill was planning for the possibility of becoming the head of the UN. Money to North Korea and Ireland, technology transfers to China for campaign contributions, multiple, seemingly pointless, trips to Africa and Southeast Asia, and a pre-occupation with resolving the West Bank dilemma, including interfering directly in Israeli elections, all look quite different when viewed through the prism of Bill's post-presidential ambitions. Bill's history with Fulbright, Carroll Quigley, Oxford, and Mena, also point beyond the U.S.

The fallback position for Bill and Hillary hinges upon 2006. Kofi Annan's term in office will be up, as will Hillary's in the US Senate. If, for some conglomeration of reasons, Hillary does not run in 2004, I expect her to run for the Governorship of New York in 2006, while Bill angles to become the UN's Secretary-General. In order to setup Hillary's run for the Presidency in 2008.

All I can say to that is, "Never in my life have I been so glad and thankful, to NOT live in the state of NEW YORK".


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; Your Opinion/Questions
KEYWORDS: bill; clinton; hillary; un
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With each new candidate for the DEM nomination, and for every quarter that passes with lackluster economic growth, a Hillary candidacy in 2004 becomes more probable.
1 posted on 02/16/2003 12:13:48 PM PST by muleboy
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To: muleboy
Lieberman - just what we need during chaotic world events: a boring, whiny twerp as President. I don't think so.

Kerry - a Massachussetts socialist? Next!

Edwards - another slimey, slick Southern lawyer? Yeah, right!

Sharpton - a race pimp with a pompadour. No further comment necessary.

Gephardt - a socialist with all the personality of a bowl of rice.

2 posted on 02/16/2003 12:25:21 PM PST by Paul Atreides
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To: muleboy
I am praying for the ultimate, big time, queen mother of zots to hit both of the clintigulas.
3 posted on 02/16/2003 12:27:02 PM PST by Rollee
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To: Paul Atreides
Right on all counts. Though all of them would be preferable to Hillary, even Sharpton, haha.

Just the idea of President Hillary, while Bill heads the UN is enough to make me shake uncontrollably, reach for the Guinness, and put an old REM record on the turnstile:

"IT'S THE END OF THE WORLD AS WE KNOW IT"

4 posted on 02/16/2003 12:30:49 PM PST by muleboy
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To: muleboy
That's great, it starts with an earthquake, birds, snakes, and aeroplanes--and Lenny Bruce is not afraid.
5 posted on 02/16/2003 12:32:41 PM PST by Future Snake Eater
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To: muleboy
original DOOMSDAY CLOCK- HILLARY Dec21, 2002

As I consider the single greatest threat to the current levels of liberty and economic security of the citizens of the United States to be the election and inauguration of Hillary Rodham Clinton as President of the United States, I am therefore initiating this thread for the purpose of debate and monitoring of the unfolding circumstances which will ultimately determine whether this impending threat is realized or avoided.

I chose the analogy of the DOOMSDAY CLOCK as a useful tool for measuring the advances and retreats of this impending threat by means of inspiring and soliciting public debate on the perceived relevance of current events as they relate to HRC's obvious ambitions.

In my opinion, the events of this December 2002, have moved the "clock" from 20 minutes until 12 to 15 minutes to 12. These events are in order of importance, 1. The announcement of Al Gore not to seek the Presidency on Dec. 15 2. The reporting of a Dec. 21 CNN/Time Poll describing support for an HRC candidacy at 30% versus the announced and likely candidacies of Kerry and Lieberman at 13% each 3. The successful re-invigoration efforts of the Democratic Party's vitally important core constituency, black voters, as evidenced by the Lousiana Senate race victory and the resignation of Trent Lott.

The current setting of a quarter to 12 represents, in my opinion, the idea that less than a dozen new criteria would have to happen for the doomsday result to be realized. I would arbitrarily assert that future revelations concerning the economy, the war, and the current administration's legislative programs would move the clock a minute or two, whereas such things as an announcement of a candidacy or consideration of a potential candidacy, perhaps a separation from her husband, and the nomination itself in the summer of 2004 would move the clock as much as 5 minutes, in and of themselves.

I hope this thread will provide a useful, educational, and entertaining tool for those who believe vigilance is a necessary responsibility and obligation of those who seek the maintain and expand individual liberty.

All comments are welcome, let the debate, pontificating, and monitoring begin!

6 posted on 02/16/2003 12:35:33 PM PST by muleboy
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To: muleboy; Mudboy Slim
IN: Sharpton...

Put me down for $100...

7 posted on 02/16/2003 12:35:49 PM PST by Libloather (What's the return - 2004:1?)
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To: muleboy
I don't think citizens of permanent members nations can be Sec. Gen. of the U.N.
8 posted on 02/16/2003 12:37:00 PM PST by stylin19a (it's cold because it's too hot...- Global Warming-ists explanation for cold wave)
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To: Future Snake Eater
Ah yes, Liberals/Socialists do have a way of revealing themselves in their art, do they not?
9 posted on 02/16/2003 12:37:20 PM PST by muleboy
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To: muleboy
Heh heh, yeah it never fails. Just check out other REM singles "Revolution" and "Ignoreland." If I didn't like their music so much, I would've burned the CDs a long time ago. Same for Dave Matthews.
10 posted on 02/16/2003 12:39:29 PM PST by Future Snake Eater
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To: stylin19a
That is the first I have heard of that.

It makes sense when you consider who created the UN.

I wonder if Bill would become a "citizen of the world" in order to skirt (pardon the pun) such a rule?

11 posted on 02/16/2003 12:40:37 PM PST by muleboy
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To: muleboy
This confirms what I have been saying since the first time Hillary was considering running for the Senate: If Bill Clinton ever vacates the Whitehouse, it would be to make a run on the U.N. as Secretary General.

Despite his telling the staff in 2000 that he wasn't going anywhere, he left with little more than a wimper and grand larceny of the Whitehouse belongings. That was a sigh of relief to many Americans.

Now with Hillary as a potential Presidential candidate, you can expect to see some clever (diabolical) posturing by Bill to corner the UN post by use of "stealth" campaigning that we won't even be aware of; until it is too late.

The fix is already in. Bush Sr., in essence gave the Presidency to Bill. Dole served to throw the second coming back in Bill's court. Bush Jr. will somehow find a way to be a one-termer, and Hillary will be the Queen. While this is happening, Bill will use tactics that we have never before witnessed to overthrow Kofi Annan, and therefore crown himself King.

No Democracy has lasted beyond the 200 year mark; Powell even stated last Friday that we were the oldest "democracy", in his address to the U.N. Security Council. We have the distinct priviledge of watching the whole thing unwind...

If the CIA and NSA are doing their job, Bill and Hillary will be removed from the chance of executing this coup.

Only time will tell.
12 posted on 02/16/2003 12:41:22 PM PST by Dalite (... Comment to all)
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To: stylin19a
Since when did any rule or law stop a clinton?
13 posted on 02/16/2003 12:41:28 PM PST by monkeywrench
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To: muleboy
Yeah, I'm waiting for the Mel Brooks version.
14 posted on 02/16/2003 12:42:26 PM PST by isiti
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To: muleboy
bump
15 posted on 02/16/2003 12:43:58 PM PST by Centurion2000 (Chance favors the prepared mind.)
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To: stylin19a
I don't think citizens of permanent members nations can be Sec. Gen. of the U.N.



Oh, you mean like Senators of New Your have to be citizens of New York?

Hillary didn't have a problem solving that; do you think Bill would be any less sucessful overcoming that small speed bump?
16 posted on 02/16/2003 12:45:34 PM PST by Dalite (... Comment to all)
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To: Dalite
Because of Bill's association with Fulbright and Carroll Quigley, I fear that the CIA/NSC/FBI are part of the problem, and not of the solution.

While I am no fan of W's, and second terms are usually dreadful, almost anything would be preferable to a President Hillary.

17 posted on 02/16/2003 12:47:20 PM PST by muleboy
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To: muleboy
I think your analysis is right on the money. It's almost pre-ordained that Bush Jr. is going to commit a faux pas that will seriously undermine his presidency and pave the way for Queen Hillary at some point. His little Iraq adventure has the potential to create a massive amount of unrest among the voting public especially if there unanticipated heavy losses of life. I hope he doesn't blow it but for some reason the phrase "read my lips...no new taxes" keeps circulating in my mind.
18 posted on 02/16/2003 12:47:50 PM PST by american spirit
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To: american spirit
I think it is also very possible that the reverse could turn out to be true.

If W's war goes well, the economy recovers, he is re-elected in a landslide, followed by an ordinary second term, I could easily see the American people clamoring to have the new wealth spent domestically instead of internationally.

Led by Her Highness of Health Care, of course.

19 posted on 02/16/2003 12:57:32 PM PST by muleboy
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To: Centurion2000
"Coincidence has a tendency to occur only to the mind prepared to notice it"

Louis Pasteur

20 posted on 02/16/2003 12:59:38 PM PST by muleboy
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