Posted on 02/17/2003 10:41:15 AM PST by stainlessbanner
Director says 'Gods' has Southern slant, but 'full humanity'
The North may have won the Civil War, but in Hollywood, the South reigns triumphant.
That was certainly true in 1915, when D.W. Griffith's The Birth of a Nation portrayed the conflict as a war of Northern aggression where order was restored only by the arrival of the Ku Klux Klan. It was true in 1939, when Gone With the Wind looked back on the antebellum South as an unrivalled period of grace and beauty never to be seen again. It was true when Clint Eastwood played The Outlaw Josey Wales (1976), a Confederate war veteran who has run afoul of Northern "justice."
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Your-- post-- will mark you as an idiot.
That post had nothing to do with South Carolina. It shows how closely you read the articles. You just cannot make a post without brow beating and slamming the post and poster.
Your-- post-- will mark you as an idiot.
That post had nothing to do with South Carolina. It shows how closely you read the articles. You just cannot make a post without brow beating and slamming the post and poster.
What was written by the Illinois State Journal in 1680 still applies to all traitors. Fly your disunion flag -- I don't mean the CBF. I mean do more than natter on a website. See where it gets you.
No one fears the rebel flag. You are pitiful.
Walt
Actually Walt, I've got the First National Flag flying and every time someone asks about it, it gives me an opportunity to get them off the Koolaid they've been forced to drink from government propaganda centers (otherwise known as public schools). When presented with factual evidence instead of flowery prose from socialists like Sandburg and McPhernut, it at least makes them think. Don't worry though. The lie of lincoln has been so embedded in people it will take decades to get rid of it.
That disunion flag was already thrown down in defeat and disgrace. Fly a new one, if you dare.
Walt
Consider what a contemporary said then:
Consider this text from the SC secession ordinance:
"We the people of the State of South Carolina, in convention assembled, do declare and ordain, and it is hereby declared and ordained, that the ordinance adopted by us in convention on the 23rd day of May, in the year of our lord, 1788, whereby the Constitution of the United States of America was ratified, and also all Acts and parts of Acts of the General Assembly of the State ratifying amendments of the said Constitution, are hereby repealed; and that the Union now subsisting between South Carolina and other states, under the name of the United States, is hereby dissolved."
In reply:
"Conscious that this document bore upon its face the plain contradiction of their pretended authority, and its own palpable nullity both in techincal form and essential principle, the convention undertook to give it strength and plausibility by an elaborate Declaration of Causes, adopted a few days later (December 24th)-- a sort of half-parody of Jefferson's masterpiece. It could of course, quote no direct warrant from the Constitution for secession, but sought to deduce one, by implication, from the language of the Declaration of Independence and the Xth amendment. It reasserts the absurd paradox of State supremacy-persistantly miscaled "State Rights" --which reverses the natural order of governmental existance ; considers a State superior to the Union; makes a part greater than the whole; turns the pyramid of authority upon its apex; plants the tree of liberty with its branches in the ground and its roots in the air. The fallacy has been has been a hundred times analysed, exposed, and refuted; but the cheap dogmatism of demagougues and the automatic machinery of faction perpetually conjures it up anew to astonish the sucklings and terrify the dotards of politiics. The notable point in the Declaration of Causes is, that its complaint over grievances past and present is against certain states, and for these remedy was of course logically barred by its own theory of state supremacy.
On the other hand, all its allegations against the Union are concerning dangers to come, before which admission the moral justification of disunion falls to the ground. In rejecting the rememdy of future elections for future wrongs, the conspiracy discarded the entire theory of republican government.
One might have thought that this might have exhausted their counterfeit philosophy--but not yet. Greatly as they groaned at unfriendly state laws--serisly as they pretended to fear damage or spoilation under future federal statutes, the burden of their anger rose at the sentient and belief of the North. "All hope of remedy," says the manifesto, "is rendered vain by the fact that the public opinion at the North has invested a great political error with the sanctions of a more erroneous religious belief." This is language one might expect from the Pope of Rome; but that an American convention should denounce the liberty of opinion, is not merely to recede from Jefferson, to Louis XIV; it is flying from the town-meeting to the Inquisition."
"With all their affectation of legality, formality, and present justification, some f the members were honest enough to acknowledge the true character of the event as the culmination of a chronic conspiracy, not a spontaneous revolution.
"The secession of South Carolina," said one of the chief actors, "is not an event of a day. It is not anything produced by Mr. Lincoln's election, or by the non-execution of the Fugitive Slave Law. It is a matter which has been gathering head for thirty years." This with many similar avowals, crowns and completes the otherwise abundant proof that the revolt was not only aganist right, but that it was without cause."
--John G. Nicolay, 1881
What was that erroneous religious belief? The idea that all men are created equal.
You're in the SCV, right? Are you one of the ones who refuses to say the Pledge of Allegiance?
All this CSA worship comes down to white supremacy. That is why you hate Lincoln -- because he favored equal rights for all men, everywhere.
Walt
Sure I can.
What was The Lincoln's top legislative priority in Congress per his own words at Pittsburgh in February 1861? Taxes.
What was The Lincoln's overriding concern in his private correspondence over Fort Sumter? Taxes.
What did The Lincoln claim as his reason for instigating at Fort Sumter? Taxes.
What did The Lincoln pledge to collect by force above all else in his inaugural address? Taxes.
What did The Lincoln use as his reason to blockade the south? Taxes.
It is consistently more believable and of greater logical soundness than anything you ever post around here. Therefore if we are to presume that my posts are what you describe them to be, your posts must, by comparison, have no coherence to them whatsoever. Are you prepared to admit that?
Do you think Lincoln's call for volunteers on 15 April, 1861 was filled to overflowing because of tariffs?
No doubt some of them from protected industries did. Many more were likely duped into a patriotic belief that they were actually saving "The Union," when in fact that union was a borrowed name.
What was The Lincoln's top legislative priority in Congress per his own words at Pittsburgh in February 1861? Taxes.
What was The Lincoln's overriding concern in his private correspondence over Fort Sumter? Taxes.
What did The Lincoln claim as his reason for instigating at Fort Sumter? Taxes.
What did The Lincoln pledge to collect by force above all else in his inaugural address? Taxes.
What did The Lincoln use as his reason to blockade the south? Taxes.
There were no federal taxes in 1860. None.
As for -tariffs- that was the one tangible evidence of the power of the federal government that most people were cognizant of. Lincoln definitely planned to maintain that concrete evidence of the power of the government. But the reason for that, as he said on 7/4/61, was to prove that a government of free men -can- govern itself despite the dissatisfaction of a minority. The great mass of loyal Union thought that too.
The reason the minority was dissatified is that the government was no longer willing enough to help them get their bread from the sweat of other men's faces.
and the war came.
Walt
The records of congress indicate that the federal government adopted a tariff of about 17% average rate in 1857. That tariff was in place through 1860. So yes, Walt. There were federal taxes in 1860.
But the reason for that, as he said on 7/4/61, was to prove that a government of free men -can- govern itself despite the dissatisfaction of a minority.
Which is a load of nonsense if one accepts it as the very premise on which The Lincoln waged his war to prevent free men from governing themselves. In other words, if that was The Lincoln's true motive, it was a weak and self-contradicted one making his entire war effort a sham. If it was not his true motive, then something else, likely possessing less flowery language and less than respectable undercurrents, must have been.
They did save the Union. It is now up to us to preserve it.
But the name of union definitely applies.
"That the United States form, for many, and for most important purposes, a single nation, has not yet been denied. In war, we are one people. In making peace, we are one people. In all commercial regulations, we are one and the same people. In many other respects, the American people are one; and the government which is alone capable of controlling and managing their interests in all these respects, is the government of the Union. It is their government and in that character, they have no other. America has chosen to be, in many respects, and in many purposes, a nation; and for all these purposes, her government is complete; to all these objects it is competent. The people have declared that in the exercise of all powers given for these objects, it is supreme. It can, then, in effecting these objects, legitimately control all individuals or governments within the American territory.
The constitution and laws of a state, so far as they are repugnant to the constitution and laws of of the United States are absolutely void. These states are constituent parts of the United States; they are members of one great empire--for some purposes sovereign, for some purposes subordinate."
--Chief Justice John Marshall, writing the majority opinion, Cohens v. Virginia 1821
Walt
He didn't mean like children in a sandbox.
Walt
They tore it down in an attempt to hold it together by exerting forces contrary to that union's nature and in violation of its founding principles.
Had he encountered such, I have no doubt he would have permitted General Sherman to line them up in a pond and shoot them just as happened with all those other civilian victims of dishonest Abe's war.
They tore it down in an attempt to hold it together by exerting forces contrary to that union's nature and in violation of its founding principles.
"Whoever considers, in a combined and comprehensive view, the general texture of the constitution, will be satisfied that the people of the United States intended to form themselves into a nation for national purposes. They instituted, for such purposes, a national government complete in all its parts, with powers legislative, executive and judiciary, ad in all those powers extending over the whole nation. "
-- Supreme Court Justice James Wilson, 1793.
Was the first Congress exerting forces contrary to its nature when it passed the Militia Act, or the Judiciary Act?
Militia Act of 1792:
"And it be further enacted, That whenever the laws of the United States shall be opposed or the execution thereof obstructed, in any state, by combinations too powerful to be suppressed by the ordinary course of judicial proceedings, or by the powers vested in the marshals by this act, it shall be lawful for the President of the United States to call forth the militia of such state to suppress such combinations, and to cause the laws to be duly executed. And if the militia of a state, where such combinations may happen, shall refuse, or be insufficient to suppress the same, it shall be lawful for the President, if the legislatures of the United States be not in session, to call forth and employ such numbers of the militia of any other state or states most convenient thereto, as may be necessary, and the use of militia, so to be called forth, may be continued, if necessary, until the expiration of thirty days after the commencement of the ensuing session."
Section 13 of the Judiciary Act of 1789:
"And be it further enacted, That the Supreme Court shall have exclusive jurisdiction of all controversies of a civil nature, where a state is a party, except between a state and its citizens; and except also between a state and citizens of other states, or aliens, in which latter case it shall have original but not exclusive jurisdiction."
The Union of the framers was preserved by the loyal Union men in the ACW.
Walt
Had he encountered such, I have no doubt he would have permitted General Sherman to line them up in a pond and shoot them just as happened with all those other civilian victims of dishonest Abe's war.
You can't show that a single civilian was murdered by Sherman's army. Not a one.
Remember this?
Posted by WhiskeyPapa to GOPcapitalist On News/Activism Jul 17 3:21 AM #67 of 70
I seem to recall another incident in which you demanded that I post the names of the rape victims of Sherman's army.
That is false.
I asked you to name a civilian murdered by Sherman's men or on his orders. You responded with the name of a POW shot in reprisal for the bushwhacking of some of Sherman's men. You tried to pass this POW off as a civilian.
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Remember that? You tried to pass off James Miller, a POW, as a civilian, but you got caught. You will tell any kind of lie.
Walt
You don't like the record; it doesn't much support your nonsense positions.
Funny how Jefferson Davis maintained that the central government had the power to coerce the states.
"The Confederate Constitution, he [Davis] pointed out to [Governor] Brown, gave Congress the power "to raise and support armies" and to "provide for the common defense." It also contained another clause (likewise copied from the U.S. Constitution) empowering Congress to make all laws "necessary and proper for carrying into execution the foregoing powers." Brown had denied the constitutionality of conscription because the Constitution did not specifically authorize it. This was good Jeffersonian doctrine, sanctified by generations of southern strict constructionists. But in Hamiltonian language, Davis insisted that the "necessary and proper" clause legitimized conscription. No one could doubt the necessity "when our very existance is threatened by armies vastly superior in numbers." Therefore "the true and only test is to enquire whether the law is intended and calculated to carry out the object...if the answer be in the affirmative, the law is constitutional."
--Battle Cry of Freedom, James McPherson P.433
It's not irrelevant to the discussion to note that Davis sounds --just like-- Chief Justice John Marshall writing 40 years earlier:
"The subject is the execution of those great powers on which the welfare of a nation essentially depends. It must have been the intention of those who gave these powers, to insure, as far as human prudence could insure, their beneficial execution. This could not be done by confining their choice of means to such narrow limits as not to leave it in the power of Congress to adopt any which might be appropriate, and which were conducive to the end...to have prescribed the means by which the government, should, in all future times, execute its powers, would have been to change, entirely, the character of the instrument, and give it the properties of a legal code...To have declared, that the best means shall not be used, but those alone, without which the power given would be nugatory...if we apply this principle of construction to any of the powers of the government, we shall find it so pernicious in its operation that we shall be compelled to discard it..."
From McCullough v. Maryland, quoted in "American Constittutional Law" A.T. Mason, et al. ed. 1983 p. 165
Walt
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