Posted on 02/17/2003 10:41:15 AM PST by stainlessbanner
Director says 'Gods' has Southern slant, but 'full humanity'
The North may have won the Civil War, but in Hollywood, the South reigns triumphant.
That was certainly true in 1915, when D.W. Griffith's The Birth of a Nation portrayed the conflict as a war of Northern aggression where order was restored only by the arrival of the Ku Klux Klan. It was true in 1939, when Gone With the Wind looked back on the antebellum South as an unrivalled period of grace and beauty never to be seen again. It was true when Clint Eastwood played The Outlaw Josey Wales (1976), a Confederate war veteran who has run afoul of Northern "justice."
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Nonsense, many pay sites are not indexed by Google of other search engines. The current ability of many sites 'bots' to traverse the web are limited by scripting, CGI, Javascript redirects and other factors. I've quoted from several books that are available on the web, but Google dosn't reference them.
If it were shown that Sherman had these men murdered it would on a number of sites. But you apparently made it up, just as you made up the statement that Yankee slave traders were active up into the Lincoln administration.
Walt
Well that's a lie. Interestingly enough after reading your continous AOL historical perspective, I did a search on sherman march civilians killed. It took .13 seconds and I got 6,620 hits. Mind you there are a couple of kooks out there like Mark Grimsley (even Grimsley does admit Sherman was doing nothing different than other Empire generals) but suprisingly quite a few accept the fact that Sherman's army killed or raped more than three civilians. Since you use a socialist like McPhernut for your case, I thought one you may be interested in is from the
But surely Walt there must be more. And of course from DiLorenzo a stated fact, not opinion
Another Sherman biographer, Lee Kennett, found that in Sherman’s army "the New York regiments were . . . filled with big city criminals and foreigners fresh from the jails of the Old World." Although it is rarely mentioned by "mainstream" historians, many acts of rape were committed by these federal soldiers. The University of South Carolina’s library contains a large collection of thousands diaries and letters of Southern women that mention these unspeakable atrocities.Here
Why don't you take a trip up to USC? Look at the diaries and call them all lies as well? What? Only your sanitized 'praise lincoln' history can be correct? Putting a little tarnish on your idol and god are we? Well what do you know, here's another one...
“A raiding party from Sherman’s army on its way north came to the home of Robert Hemphill, a wealthy South Carolina planter. In the absence of all white men, they were met by a trusted old Negro, Burrell Hemphill. When the faithful slave refused to reveal the hiding place of the family valuables, the raiders dragged him at the end of a rope into the forest, hanged him and riddled his body with bullets. His 12-year-old grandson witnessed the whole proceedings. A granite marker now stands 3 miles northeast of Blackstock, South Carolina. It is engraved: In memory of Burrell Hemphill, killed by Union soldiers February 1865. Although a slave he gave his life rather than betray a trust.”Here
Good Lord, Walt!!!! There's a marker even. And he was black to boot!! Oh, I'm having a seizure!! Surely a black civilian couldn't willingly deny the union soldiers. Why, why they were there to free him even!! Better go see if you can get that torn down, because if that's stone stands, your argument doesn't
n : a government tax on imports or exports; "they signed a treaty to lower duties on trade between their countries" [syn: duty] v : charge a tariff, as for imported goods
However, there is a vast difference between a relatively low, flat-rate revenue tariff imposed on ALL imported goods and the convoluted targeted tariffs or tariff exemptions enacted by special interests. Modern "free traders" generally ignore this distinction, and erroneously promote zero-tariffs, forcing government to rely on more tyrannical means of collecting revenue. (with credit to willie green)
How very true. There are vast amounts of information that have yet to be placed upon the web for public viwing, but there does exist a plethora of information available for a price. I know this all too well, I get genealogical information from a pay site that is not available publicly, and understand the reason - it costs money to put it there.
But that does not mean that it's not on the web - only that a 'bot' can't get to it.
IMO it's mostly repetitive and copied, borrowed, stolen from other sites. Editorials and commentaries offer a great source of information, but often reference sources not available on the web (such as the books you quoted).
I think I documented a few quotes about the tariff revenues a few weeks ago, and Lincoln's response. If I failed to do so Freepmail me.
I think you covered it just fine. In fact I appreciate the knowledge and research that you put forth. Many times, you offer data that is not found on-line or found only in source docs.
The same old cut and paste stories get tiresome, however, new information on the subject is compelling, IMO.
Search on this string:
civil war Thomas Sanders William Leroy Moore sherman
Those men's names do not appear anywhere on the internet.
It's just more lying neo-reb crap.
Walt
Kudos to Burrell Hemphill, may he rest in peace.
No you don't. Not enough people are clued in to the crap being peddled under the guise of "southern heritage" around here. Now unless ol stainless can't fork his own broncs, you're invited to stay out of this.
I made it up? The Cygnet, Wildfire, Toccoa, William, Bogota, Delicia, Cora, and Mary J. Kimball, to name a few, were captured in 1859-1860. Captain Nathaniel Gordon of the slave ship "Erie" was hung in New York City in 1862. He had attempted to cheat the gallows by poisoning himself with strychnine, but his stomach was pumped so that he could be hung that same day.
The Wildfire was built in Amesbury, MA in 1852. The Bogata sailed from New York around 1 Oct 1859. The William was built in 1847 at Damariscotta, ME; Washington Symmes of Phiadelphia, PA captain at her capture. The Cora was registered in New York.
The Nightingale was captured on 21 Apr 1861, near the Congo River. She was oufitted from Boston, MA. The USS Constellation captured the slaver Triton on 21 May 1861. Albert Horn was a New York merchant sentenced to five years in prison for fitting out the City of Norfolk in 1862.
March 2, 1861, the Morrill Tariff was signed into law by outgoing President Buchanan.
Just after the Congressional seats were vacated in 1861 by the Southern congressmen, the economic order of the United States was dramatically changed. The tariff took off on an upward trajectory that was far above any tariff in history.
This tariff raised the taxation rate from an average of approximately 15%(current rate) to 37.5% with a greatly expanded list of covered items. This effectively tripled the taxation rate on imported goods. The law later allowed a second additional rate averaging 47% for iron.
This was a major change in taxation. Having evolved from the low taxation rates of the early 1800’s, voters in certain sections of the country were in favor of higher tariffs to protect their manufacturing industries. Southerners, whose income came from agriculture, of course demanded low tariffs. They preferred buying European products, which were better and cheaper than those made in the United States.
Westerners, whose income also came from agriculture, at first opposed high tariffs. But they came to accept the “American System” proposed by Representative Henry Clay of Kentucky, and advocated by both Lincoln and the Republican party. In 1824, Congress had boosted most tariffs as a result of Clay’s proposals.
Many people, especially Southerners protested the rising tariffs in 1828. Subsequent negotiations in the US Congress caused the tariffs to rise and fall intermittently during the 1840’s and 1850’s.
Since the agricultural South needed more imported goods than the industrial North, the tariff highly affected the South while benefiting the manufacturing interests in the North. Most of the discretionary Federal spending was on Northern projects and infrastructure that did not encourage industrial development in the South.
When Morrill’s tax plan was introduced into debate in Congress in 1860, the Southerners felt betrayed when the West and North joined in support of the high tariffs.
Earlier in the year, the New Haven Daily Register said,
“There was never a more ill-timed, injudicious and destructive measure proposed, than the Morrill tariff bill, because while Congress is raising the duties for the Northern ports, the Southern Constitutional Convention is doing away with all import duties for the Southern ports, leaving more than three-fifths of the seafront of the Atlantic States…beyond the reach of our tariff…Southern ports would then invite the free trade of the world.”
The editor advised that the South be left alone, and the Morrill tariff be repealed.
3/2/1861 The New York Evening Post stated: “That either the revenue from duties must be collected in the ports of the rebel states, or the port must be closed to importations from abroad, is generally admitted. If neither of these things be done, our revenue laws are substantially repealed; the sources, which supply our treasury, will be dried up; we shall have no money to carry on the government; the nation will become bankrupt before the next crop of corn is ripe.
There will be nothing to furnish means of subsistence to the army; nothing to keep our navy afloat; nothing to pay the salaries of public officers; the present order of things must come to a dead stop.”
The Post and other papers understood - those who object to higher taxes/tariffs are the ones paying them. Not those who benefit from them.
My suggestion is that you shine a light into the rafters and corners of that "southern heritage" clubhouse you belong to. You might be suprised at the number of varmints you find.
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